What happened to all you people that registered?

Not enough people this week for the round to take place so the XFG/RB4 will be this coming weekend instead.

Quote from Aid :

Sueycide_FD yes i totaly agree with what you said however oval racing is very specific. unfortunatelly it teaches you wrong behavior on normal tracks when it comes to cornering rights, on oval where u simply draft and naturally expect driver next to you go tighter/wider is correct technique but on tracks you have to know where and when you are allowed to throw your car in. i could write 10 pages now about differencies in oval and track racing but can't be bothered tbh. fact is if you drive on track like you would on oval and shovel people off your way with your car in place you have not right to be in, you are a crasher.. simple.

You are either saying Failure behaves in this manner, in which case you clearly haven't watched him drive much. Or that somebody who has driven a lot of oval cannot go on to do well on circuit combinations/disciplines. Either way I think you are in the wrong thread. This is about somebody achieving 1,000,000 km driving consistently well on oval and other track combinations in the process.

Last edited by SmegFirk, Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:25.

1,000,000 km is a landmark achievement within the game. This thread is a congratulations for achieving that.

Any posts arguing against its merits I'm afraid will just come across as petty and unnecessary.

Well done

Quote from hazaky :

Im not sure, but the edges of the new shadows are a bit low resolution or ... something. Hurts my eye so bad

On the screenshots I have seen here they are looking good. In real life I think the edge of a shadow will be slightly less defined, depending on the object blocking the light.

Quote from AstroBoy :

....but it still would of been nice to know i was being recorded.....

I think that's what it comes down to in the end. Everybody here can go on and on arguing whether Deko can or can't record. Whether he was right or wrong to do so. Whether NDR as guests (and in the spirit of the good relationship which has always been in place with FM) who use that particular Ventrillo server for Kyoto, CART etc should have at least mentioned it to the Admins (Fail and/or Popps). Whether at some point Deko should have told every participant "by the way I will be recording this for future reference".

It would have been nice to know in advance. If people were so unhappy after being told what would happen before the race then they could have always walked away from it. It just would have been nice to know beforehand.

If Deko is going to amend his procedures to make it clear in advance that in future events this will be the case then everybody can make an informed decision as to whether or not they wish to be a part of whatever event it may be. That would be something positive to come out of this whole business.

I hope I am not speaking out of place, it is CrazyHarry's series and I assume he will publicise it when he is ready. However, I don't think it is a problem if I just mention that FM will be running the "Oval Junkies Series III" in the near future. III because it is the third one, although it hasn't been done in a couple of years, so it will be new to a few of you.

I'll see if he plans to promote this to the general LFS public.

Last edited by SmegFirk, Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:45.

However anybody wants to say it... it has happened and it is over now. However I'm pretty confident of one thing, it will never happen again.

Quote from evilpimp :

The ability to stop them from recording is there, why didnt you stop him.

You have never said that I cannot come along to your house and steal your car, therefore I am on my way.

That is exactly the same principle you are attempting to apply, it's a fallacy.

Quote from boothy :

You're deluded if you think you didn't give him the ability to record stuff.

the ability is there for anyone to use, you have made that point... permission was not given.

Quote from SmegFirk :

Thank you, I will make sure I get the Oval version on my car and hopefully on the cars of other Fragmaster members

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Quote from Vegas Las :

You can find Logos here : http://dystoniaawarenesskyotogp.yolasite.com/goodies.php

Tell me if you want more.

Thank you, I will make sure I get the Oval version on my car and hopefully on the cars of other Fragmaster members

Quote from Vegas Las :

@ SmegFirk : The skins kits are made for the GP Event, I guess it's not required for the oval race, due to nascar style with big numbers on sides.

I'll see if I can get the Dystonia 'logo' on it somewhere. It's for a good cause.

QUESTION FOR THE ORGANISERS

Do you require the graphics on the skins that are on your website for cars running on the oval race? Or are those just for the GP event?

Thank you.

Race #1
- FZR
- 78 SmegFirk
- [FM] (aka FragMaster)

Last edited by SmegFirk, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:18.

In terms of an Oval series, I would welcome such a thing. Decent length races 100+ BF1, FO8, FZR/XRR and all sorts of others which never get used on ky1... let's do it.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Smeg, I for one think you've been quite reasonable in here. You're defending your team because you see it being unfairly attacked, and Nolan and Phil are defending theirs (ours) for the same reason. No need to take the ball and go home.

Fair dos, group hug lol

Just say I don't think I will be participating in this thread any more. People have been invited to make protests, I have made mine in the relevant thread. There has been some discussion here which I thought was unfair towards my team which I have attempted to defend. I don't see much point in taking it any further.

People can come in this thread after this post and declare that FM is the worst thing ever created in the history of Internet gaming. People can come in and say that oval racing is not real racing, there will be no more posts from me in this thread.

See you next year.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Like I know you had that talk with Kenneth...

You misunderstood, I just meant within this thread. He said his bit, I said my bit and the matter seems to be dropped/closed.

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Well, it seems you guys are just attacking Nolan. Since there was 10 of you at the start of the race, and only 3 finished (all having problems) but only 3 protests against one driver, who didn't cause all of those incidents. Then you have (on the stream) Buck getting into you guys quite a bit, but yet you don't protest him for any of it.

Again with the team business. It is on an individual basis. We have not got together as a team and decided to protest this or that. If individuals out of the 10 which qualified decide they can't be bothered to protest or have just put the whole weekend behind them, that's down to them. 3 members of the team have made individual protests against 116 at individual times in the race and they will be dealt with by the race director. It really is not as personal as you seem to think.

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You are attacking one person, and aiming at that one person only, it's quite obvious and pretty ignorant. If you are going to spend the time to protest, then protest everyone equally, don't just take everything out on one person.

As I said previously I have not gone through the entire race looking for things to nitpick about. I remember my incident with 116 because it was what caused me to DNF. Why other people have made protests about the same driver, ask them, I repeat... we have not got together as a team and decided to attack anybody.

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And with the FM guy running high, he was doing it random times lap after lap to try and get away from Nolan. Nolan said about it multiple times on vent, which Deko will hear in his recording.

You can take that up with him. As for Deko recording Ventrillo, that is an entirely different can of worms which I don't think anybody particularly wants opening... in other words, I strongly disagree with his decision to do it.

Quote from PMD9409 :

No, in a way he is right.

Kenneth and I have dealt with his post and he has already accepted my response... why bring it back up?

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Most likely after the race you guys sat in vent and investigated every single lap we ran.

Please, don't flatter yourself. I can assure you the only things which have been reported in the protests thread our what was recalled from memory. Also, what is this "us" business. This has nothing to do with FM & CoRe. It is about individual drivers making complaints against other drivers. To my knowledge nobody has put in a complaint about you, so I wouldn't worry about it.

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The sad part about having a race so long, is that you can probably protest every single person at some point during the race, and it will probably all equal out in the end. I myself am not going to search through 500 miles of cars going in circles to find 1 or 2 small incidents that both cars involved could have easily avoided. No one is gaining anything from it,

Everything happening post race is in accordance with the rules and making protests is actively encouraged by the event organisers. You will have to take that up with them, although I do think "cars going in circles" does a disservice to the intricacies of oval racing.

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but what I do know is, I had to pit 5 times (fixing damage) due to others people's crap and I still managed to make up a lap to finish 2nd. So please, what is everyone else's excuse?

They were less fortunate. As you have already pointed out it is such a long race and you need a fair bit of luck as well as skill to get to the finish line in one piece. I don't mean that specifically towards you, I mean everybody. Any collision that anybody had which resulted in them spinning out, they could do it exactly the same next week and the car would have kept going. Vice versa is also true, people that had contact and managed to keep going to do the race next week and get wrecked.

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And the "FM way" does effect part of the race, as people have ran so much in your server that they get brainwashed (ie: last lap).

The administrators have said it does not affect the race, so again that is a point for them to address. As for our server, we actively teach and encourage techniques which will result in the best racing line for drafting and subsequently the best lap times you can possibly achieve. The administrators have clearly said such techniques do not need to be observed in their race, which is absolutely fine.

As for your choice of words "brainwashed" I will leave everybody else to be the judge of what you mean and whether it is appropriate.

Quote from racer hero :

I find it quite disapointing how all the FM and friends are protesting for every small mistake the CoRe guys made, to try and revoke them from the win. It really is rediculous.

Incorrect.

I haven't looked in the official protest thread since making my own however up to that time everybody had done what the race director asked of them.

2March posted about an incident he had with car 116
Ronald posted about an incident he had with car 116
I posted about an incident I had with car 116

All of these incidents were at separate times spread out over the course of the race. The three of us could have been racing as individuals or racing for three different teams, we would still have made the same protests. You seem to be trying to pick a fight or create an argument with FM as a whole where none exists.

Everybody is legitimately entitled to make a protest about anything which occurred with them during the race. If you had made the qualifying 30 you would also be entitled to make protests about racing incidents involved with you.

A few more general comments regarding this business about "FM way" ( whatever that means, but I'll guess) and the way which, at a minimum, was expected during the race...

I feel as though some people want certain things both ways. If the 'FM way', by which I assume means taking the tightest possible lines in order to achieve the fastest possible laps as normally seen on Oval Junkies, was not required in any way during the race then there can be no inquisition into why any FM driver didn't drive that way.

That may be quite a convoluted sentence, I will attempt to make it more simple.

On Overall Junkies Servers = Everybody does things by our rules, you can almost guarantee where an FM driver will be at any given time.

Kyoto 500 Race = FM rules do not apply, it is not our event. As long as everybody pays attention and leaves space and continues to be aware of cars around them (especially inside when drafting/close proximity racing) you can be anywhere at any time within the rules as laid out by NDR.

Therefore during the Kyoto 500 race, there can be no complaints if FM drivers are not always where you would expect them to be if it was a race being conducted on Oval Junkies.

Every single day during day-to-day racing that we conduct, if there is ever any incidents between 2 of our drivers the first thing you normally hear on Ventrillo is "Sorry, I expected you to be a little bit earlier/later/slower/faster/higher/lower/etc there". The Kyoto 500 is not like that, so to say that anybody expected anybody else to be in a certain place at a certain time is contradictory.

Last edited by SmegFirk, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:08.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Ok, I think I understand now. I'll make sure next year I'll just ride on your left and keep you right against the outside wall. After all it is not my fault by doing it, as it would be the outside person's fault if there is any contact....

You are trying to be facetious, but you're right. If a car is coming down your left hand side and you come down too early and there is contact, it is the outside cars' fault.

So if you did that next year it would be the other person's fault, just like this year it was 116's.

Last edited by SmegFirk, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:21.

Lap 202

Timecode 2:34:12

Cars : 116 N. Scott, 322 R. Biasco, 888 K. Myers

After we get round turn 3 I catch a little bit of draft from 116 and then even more draft from 322. 116 tries to move out from behind 322 but I have already started to come down the left-hand side of 116. Contact is made with me which results in my DNF.

There are demo cruise and drifting servers? I didn't know that.