Team Name: Triple 7 Racing
Number: 25
Car: FZR
Drivers:
cmckowen, C. McKowen, GBR
Tomhah, T. Østgaard, NOR
three_jump, J. Grüner, Ger

Last edited by three_jump, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 21:58.

heart of gold - johnny cash or neil diamond

when you know about the 5 other threads with the same topic.

Sure he does

But you can't blame the system for the driver not doing it

Quote from blackbird04217 :

paying attention has more to do with it. My sister drove her car 30mph into a pickup without hitting the brakes - because she didn't see it coming; she looked at something on the side of the road, and the truck stopped ahead ... Luckily no-one was hurt, but she wasn't speeding, was well under traction situation and no ABS or ESP system would have prevented that - the driver need to pay attention in the first place.

You see a car flying towards an intersection, you have a green light; do you go? It is partially your fault if that accident takes place considering you saw it happening - regardless of the fact that the other car ran a red light! Legally the car who ran a red light is responsible, but accidents can be avoided in other ways than just the 'legally responsible' person.

ESP = Electronic Stability Program
It's not a ACC nor an emergency brake system (and that only reacts when it's already to late anyway and it's just about decreasing the speed).

Can we please stick to situations which are actually within the limits of a system and not mix it up with other systems?

EDIT:
As far as I'm aware todays ABS systems can detect different kind of conditions. I think we all know that looking the tires is better on gravel for instance.

Last edited by three_jump, Tue 19 Jan 2010, 20:48.

Quote from Jakg :

Ok another question - ESP doesn't know the road.

If you were on the inside of a bend and got snap oversteer (can happen well inside the limits, been there...), you could well find the front of your car pushed into the verge, which would cause it to slow down, sneding the back of the car into the other lane and oncoming traffic. In this situation, you want to stop the car from cornering so much (although you dont want to go straight on), and so you must balance the oversteer to keep in your lane.

If your on the outside of the bend and got snap oversteer, you may well wish to use it to keep your car on the road rather than straightening the car up... straight into a tree.

1. Wrong, you'll never get snap oversteer inside the limits of a car / track, think about what you said. If that was really the case for a normal car to break out with no reason I'm sure noone would buy it. Americans would sue the company instantly to death (see us product law, negliance)

2. There are dozens of sensors checking the input and validating if thats whats comming in is valid and matches with the internal heading simulation. There is a failsafe too

3. ESP won't straighten up the car, it will get the car to the course the driver choosed with the steering wheel within reasonable physical limits.

Quote from Jakg :

Have I tried a car with ESP? I must admit no. ABS? Yes and I was very impressed.

Well, I'm about to have a go with several BMW driving assit features on friday (night vision, acc, emergency brake assisten etc), so I'll come back to that

Should be fun the 7 series and the 5 GT

edit:

Quote from Jakg :

EDIT - Obviously I dont want to go over the limit on the road, but obviously people do otherwise there wouldn't be accidents - no accident involving ESP ever happens under the limit of the car...

And such kind of system isn't for those people who are clearly stupid enough to do so (in terms of driving over the limit on prupose), but to help those who not judge the situation correctly and need help.

Last edited by three_jump, Tue 19 Jan 2010, 20:25.

Quote from Jakg :

ESP sounds good, but the last thing I want is something taking control out of me - if my car gets sideways I need to correct it, the last the thing I want to have to do is fight against a computer which has decided to do the exact opposite of what I want...

You do realise that with ESP you are very unlikely to go sideways in your car anyway It will brake the according wheel to create an opposite momentum to the one the car is having.

Of course any kind of improement is highly theoretical, but once you dig down into some proper statistics (GIDAS for example) and look through all the kinds of accidents it contains you'll see that ESP could be a big help. We are still talking about the average driver who isn't even able to do a proper emergency brake (anker it), so of course ABS won't help you here if you are not able to actually use the system.

And by the argument that it could actually cause more risky driving...
Well, by that we should think about removing any seatbelts from our cars, thats probably why the americans still do their tests without seatbelts too

Quote from bunder9999 :

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't that track become south city?

nope, there was another track

EDIT:

even more old pics: http://www.4players.de/renders ... ;world=lfs&setid=4205


Source: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=323435#post323435

Last edited by three_jump, Sat 9 Jan 2010, 11:10.

Maybe you get me wrong here.

I have nothing against any Ranked server. The things that annoy me are that they all use a different system / database for your progress and only base the rank / score on server specific stats rather than taking the drivers overall stats into account also. So you end up doing the same thing over and over again on a different ranking server.

I had a similar effect when I first installed w7 last year. Everytime I used shift+f4 my pc froze completly and I had to turn it off to get it going again.

My solution won't help you though as I did a clean install then. I suspected some driver being not properly installed.

Quote from niels1 :

I see the point but you all seem to forget one thing.
You dont have to race on a server using some kind of system.
When connecting to LFS and its servers i get say around 450 servers.
No way they all run airio or something similar.
...

And if you dont want to go there, well there are many other servers out there.

example:
At this point there are 871 servers online.
without cruise servers: 789
without private: 597
without empty: 121
without demo: 52
running tbo: 4

IHR (28)
CAD (13)
Lublin Racing Team Server (1)
Ready2Roll (1)

Last edited by three_jump, Sun 3 Jan 2010, 20:56.

This is not a skill issue (at least for most of us), but it's a time issue. Apart from the odd week or x-mas break I have basicly less than 2 hours of lfs per week.

And I don't wanna spent that time with unlocking content. It might have been fun the first time (ctra) and maybe even the 2nd time (LR) but why do I have to show over an over that I'm able to drive car X? I have done over 200.000 km in LFS, I think I know by know what I'm able to do and what not.

What I find much more annoying these days is that every server runs some kind of "you need to get some points to drive the car you want" system making it very hateable for the causal driver who wants to drive what he likes on a server with more than 7 players.

While it would be ok if all those systems would be at least sharing their databases with each other (since all are using airioooola anyway) but they are not. So you have several different servers being basicly about the same and the hour the spent on one server getting some points for your prefered car help you nothing on server B where you end up in the same crap box as on server A.

The point / career stuff is ok if only all the different hosts could align and form one shared database for all but atm it's just annoying with all the different ones (LR, IHR, Level, etc).

my 2 cents

Quote from e.M :

dunno where to put it but tbo class will be nomore with limited setups unless it includes restrictions so im asking will it include that?

With the new tire and suspension model the tbo class will need balancing anyway, or at least it's very probable. And if a class turns out to be unbalanced there is still the option to play with the restriction settings, either local on a server via an insim app or global via the master server.

Depends on how close the beta testers can get the cars with the default sets, or to what options the setups will be limited, I'm not sure if those have been mentioned yet.

Last edited by three_jump, Sun 3 Jan 2010, 10:28.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

One problem with the current system is that now further developments (S3, S4 etc) are content based, if we keep paying 12 quid per stage then someone new to LFS would have to pay £48 for S4, maybe £60 for S5 if we get that far. It would become even more niche, whereas people might be happier spending the same amount of money over a longer time with a time based licence instead of content based.

By that logic I'd have paid £72 by now, hmm actually £84 with 2010...

I won't rent a game. Never done, never will. If I pay for something I want to "own" it rather than having someone else just allowing me to use it under his terms.

On the other side, having to rent the game would require also having the client to be connected all the time while playing. I know that might be less and less of an issue these days, but some still have to pay for the bandwidth they use (I know it's probably only very little actually used, but still).

For what I'd pay is extra content (S3, S4.... whatever).

there's also www.jamendo.com

Quote from tristancliffe :

Autodesk Inventor or Solidworks, combined with Ricardo Wave. Sure one of the few adult examples? Put aside a good month for each component (well, the complex ones, like cam profiles and piston shapes, and combustion chamber shape, and port geometry...).

Should be ready to 'run' in a year or two.

If you want a game, then you might as well stick to "Turbo Stage 4 Kit", because that's as realistic as it'll get.

You forgot matlab/simulink for the simulation part
Also all cool adults use Catia these days.

if you can remember the [ZT]Westfalenring

Happy new year

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=9105942950207814319#
(Don't worry the german intro, the rest itself is english)

Quote from z-ro 8 :

ah you see, this is the case.....all the points you earn here apply towards your rank, so as you "level up" on one server, it can allow you access to other servers and car combos...

even on the ironhorse or LR server?

A much a I love some kind of making cars only availble once you have earned enough credits to have some sort of basic filter... Wouldn't it be for once possible that all the points I earned on server A where also being registered by server B (since all use the airo plugin anyway)?

For Bob's sake, those servers die all faster than I have the time to "level up" myself to the car I want to drive on a full server...

...
- remember that the cars had adjustable track width
- the old keyboard steering system
- the Boomerang Rapido vs Afri Cola nightrace
...

Sorry, but this question has been asked before and was discussed for several times over the past years, yet it still keeps poping back up again together with the "lfs is dead" or "where is the patch" threads.

They do not because they don't want to and it's not our business to say what is good or bad and what the devs should do. If they wanted to have someone telling them what to do Scawen and Eric could have stayed at Lionhead.

/end