The beauty lies in the simple solution Tristan.

Anyone can use a hacksaw to fit something, but it won't beat the fact that you could also remove the clamps

3D Tetris: http://www.blockout.net/blockout2/
Poker: http://www.pokerth.net/

Apparently it it the new Renault, but with the 2009 front wing.

And as the tests start today I'm pretty sure we'll get some Diffusor pics pretty soon.

something like this? http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=137771#post137771

Gavin worte up a small report on our website

www.triple7racing.net

Quote from three_jump :

Team Name: Triple 7 Racing
Number: 25
Car: FZR
Drivers:
cmckowen, C. McKowen, GBR
Tomhah, T. Østgaard, NOR
three_jump, J. Grüner, Ger

updated

#25 Skin
http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... id=95974&d=1258136874

Team Name: Triple 7 Racing
Number: 25
Car: FZR
Drivers:
cmckowen, C. McKowen, GBR
Tomhah, T. Østgaard, NOR
three_jump, J. Grüner, Ger

Last edited by three_jump, Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58.

heart of gold - johnny cash or neil diamond

when you know about the 5 other threads with the same topic.

Sure he does

But you can't blame the system for the driver not doing it

Quote from blackbird04217 :

paying attention has more to do with it. My sister drove her car 30mph into a pickup without hitting the brakes - because she didn't see it coming; she looked at something on the side of the road, and the truck stopped ahead ... Luckily no-one was hurt, but she wasn't speeding, was well under traction situation and no ABS or ESP system would have prevented that - the driver need to pay attention in the first place.

You see a car flying towards an intersection, you have a green light; do you go? It is partially your fault if that accident takes place considering you saw it happening - regardless of the fact that the other car ran a red light! Legally the car who ran a red light is responsible, but accidents can be avoided in other ways than just the 'legally responsible' person.

ESP = Electronic Stability Program
It's not a ACC nor an emergency brake system (and that only reacts when it's already to late anyway and it's just about decreasing the speed).

Can we please stick to situations which are actually within the limits of a system and not mix it up with other systems?

EDIT:
As far as I'm aware todays ABS systems can detect different kind of conditions. I think we all know that looking the tires is better on gravel for instance.

Last edited by three_jump, Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:48.

Quote from Jakg :

Ok another question - ESP doesn't know the road.

If you were on the inside of a bend and got snap oversteer (can happen well inside the limits, been there...), you could well find the front of your car pushed into the verge, which would cause it to slow down, sneding the back of the car into the other lane and oncoming traffic. In this situation, you want to stop the car from cornering so much (although you dont want to go straight on), and so you must balance the oversteer to keep in your lane.

If your on the outside of the bend and got snap oversteer, you may well wish to use it to keep your car on the road rather than straightening the car up... straight into a tree.

1. Wrong, you'll never get snap oversteer inside the limits of a car / track, think about what you said. If that was really the case for a normal car to break out with no reason I'm sure noone would buy it. Americans would sue the company instantly to death (see us product law, negliance)

2. There are dozens of sensors checking the input and validating if thats whats comming in is valid and matches with the internal heading simulation. There is a failsafe too

3. ESP won't straighten up the car, it will get the car to the course the driver choosed with the steering wheel within reasonable physical limits.

Quote from Jakg :

Have I tried a car with ESP? I must admit no. ABS? Yes and I was very impressed.

Well, I'm about to have a go with several BMW driving assit features on friday (night vision, acc, emergency brake assisten etc), so I'll come back to that

Should be fun the 7 series and the 5 GT

edit:

Quote from Jakg :

EDIT - Obviously I dont want to go over the limit on the road, but obviously people do otherwise there wouldn't be accidents - no accident involving ESP ever happens under the limit of the car...

And such kind of system isn't for those people who are clearly stupid enough to do so (in terms of driving over the limit on prupose), but to help those who not judge the situation correctly and need help.

Last edited by three_jump, Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:25.

Quote from Jakg :

ESP sounds good, but the last thing I want is something taking control out of me - if my car gets sideways I need to correct it, the last the thing I want to have to do is fight against a computer which has decided to do the exact opposite of what I want...

You do realise that with ESP you are very unlikely to go sideways in your car anyway It will brake the according wheel to create an opposite momentum to the one the car is having.

Of course any kind of improement is highly theoretical, but once you dig down into some proper statistics (GIDAS for example) and look through all the kinds of accidents it contains you'll see that ESP could be a big help. We are still talking about the average driver who isn't even able to do a proper emergency brake (anker it), so of course ABS won't help you here if you are not able to actually use the system.

And by the argument that it could actually cause more risky driving...
Well, by that we should think about removing any seatbelts from our cars, thats probably why the americans still do their tests without seatbelts too

Quote from s0fTwArE :

• overall lap 137
• 08- P. Diaz, K. Seifert(me) involved
• my (k. Seifert) lap: 128, Sector 3 before/in last chicane, 6:08:42
• I drove on the right side, so that 08-P. Diaz can pass me. He nearly do so, but then he comes suddenly so far to the right that he hits me on the front. this is why i come out of track.. you can watch it in the replay.

#08 clearly moves over ot the racing line without checking / making sure tzhat he is being past car #49.

dt for #08 for careless / dangerous lapping

Quote from PhilS13 :

• The correct lap: our 134th lap, 84th since the previous disco
• The cars (/teams) involved #36 and #07
• The lap/sector/time: T7
• And a short description from your point of view. GT1 #07 was passing GT2 car #36. Simple case of divebomb from our driver's POV. We end up stuck in the sand and have to shift-P.

Will post replay when avail.

Replay : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KGD5MJTH

#07 was unsure on what #36 was going todo, #07 went commint to pass but at the last second #07 backed off after seeing #36 was not going to give up the racing line.

Normal racing incident

Quote from ZanZi :

• The correct lap: racing lap 58
• The cars (/teams) involved 05 My3id Gaming GT1 and 37 nfinity eSports GT2
• The lap/sector/time: overall lap 58, left corner just before 2nd split
• And a short description from your point of view. 05 dives inside loses grip and push our guy out. In other words ... divebom resulting us losing 15s and a position.

#05 clearly is showing that he wants to pass and is side by side well before the turn, #37 just takes the corner at normal speed/line expecting #05 not to be there.

Warning to #37 for not clearing look for lapping under blueflag

Discuss!

Replay of the start: http://www.sendspace.com/file/n4hcq7

because this shitty piece of programm we call "tracker" needs "" for usernames with numbers, special chars etc.

# - Penalty - Event - Timestamp

Race
#07 - DT - wrong numberplate - 16:13 / 16:20
#48 - DT - chat - 17:34 / 17:43
#38 - DT - spinning another car - 17:51 / 17:55
#48 - DT - spinning another car - 18:30 / 18:33
#32 - DT - chat - 19:45 / 18:47
#12 - -1lap - shift+p - 20:10
#03 - DT - causing a collision - 21:04 / 21:08
#09 - -1lap - shift+p - 21:43
#36 - -1lap - shift+p - 22:30
#03 - DT - incorrect name format - 23:07 / 23:08
#08 - DT - careless lapping - 23:18 / 23:25
#04 - DT - careless overtaking - 02:28 / 02:28
#45 - DT - chat - 05:57 / 05:58
#12 - DT - chat - 07:48 / 07:49
#09 - -1lap - shipt+p - 08:40
#48 - DT - chat - 11:19 / 11:21
#42 - -2laps - unsafe rejoining the track after a crash causing a collision - 12:25
#08 - DT - chat - 15:05 / 15:08
#15 - +30 seconds - careless lapping - post race

Last edited by amp88, Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:47.

State your protest here:

Include the following in your protest
• The correct lap,
• The cars (/teams) involved
• The lap/sector/time
• And a short description from your point of view.

Admins may request a replay of the incident, cut to show the lead-up to and
aftermath of the incident.

Last edited by three_jump, Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:55.

Clutch:
Use of button clutch will result in the loss of all laps by the offending driver, and may result in further penalties if it is found that the driver did not act alone (i.e., if the driver was encouraged to use it by his team).

Drivers will still be allowed to use manual clutch, but must select "Axis" in the Options->Controls menu.

As a shorthand way of looking at it: EITHER "Clutch" must be set to "Axis" in the Options->Controls menu, OR "Auto clutch" must be set to "On" in the Options->Driver menu. In the LFS Stats flags field, this will mean that by your name Flag will say either Clutch (for autoclutch) or AxisClutch (for manual pedal clutch). If the Flag field is empty, we will know that you are using button clutch.

45% rule:
GT1: 244 laps (2:39,5 avg)
GT2: 231 laps (2:48,5 avg)

Last edited by three_jump, Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:15.

Quote from bunder9999 :

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't that track become south city?

nope, there was another track

EDIT:

even more old pics: http://www.4players.de/renders ... ;world=lfs&setid=4205


Source: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=323435#post323435

Last edited by three_jump, Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:10.

Maybe you get me wrong here.

I have nothing against any Ranked server. The things that annoy me are that they all use a different system / database for your progress and only base the rank / score on server specific stats rather than taking the drivers overall stats into account also. So you end up doing the same thing over and over again on a different ranking server.