can't then see the point yet but maybe I will later

LFS used to be black/white?

Quote from sinbad :

Think I'll add that I'm in favor of a proper success-ballast thing as an option for leagues/series' (as long as people are aware of it before the season begins, there's nothing wrong with it, imo), but, I can see horrific misuse of it by sore-losing public-server admins. It would have to be for use on passworded servers only, I think.

Why not putting it in the setup options and than after the name a little mark that this driver has extra weight (like: "tomylee (+20kg)"). like this each person can handle it on it's own and for league races the admin can see if the drivers who should drive with extra weight have it

When you like to make a race real you have no other joice as to use weight anything else would be bs. I don't think it will be such a hard thing to this in a code so why not making it?! Those who dont like to use it they dont have to. Extra weight is often used in reallity so it is a must for LFS!

Quote from Bob Smith :

I don't find there is much difference in terms of outright grip, but the fuel does change the weight distribution of the car alot, which can turn subtle understeer into major oversteer. For example I need an extra 2 degrees of rear wing on the XRR to keep the rear in place with a full tank over an empty tank.

but it should slow down the car as well otherwise we would see no pit stop in F1 cause they have just to change the wings about 2°

of course, I talk here more for league races

I think the same XCNuse what you say about the weight and the change of lap times but this means there is a bug look
when you go with 5% and then with 100% the lap time should be easy 2,3 or even more seconds slower

Whats your problem dude, seems like you can just say the same ting over and over.
LFS stays for the most realistic race game, so now tell me way the heck not putting such a easy feature in it so that we can run realistig races. I dont need a 70kg increase by means of a passanger or a what ever math with fuel which nobody can control anyway.

FIA GT Championship:
1st +30kg
2nd +20kg
3rd +10kg

this up to a maximum of 100kg

How ever you are going to do this and how ever do you wanna control this??!!!........

Quote from Jamexing :

The effects of fuel depends on the % of weight of a car that is fuel weight, the greater the % the greater the effect and vice-versa.

Honestly I don't see what this thread has to do with the improvement of anything. This should be in the general/race discussion area, not the improvement suggestons area.

Because I'm not sure if we need an improvement in this area.
When you go over longer distance the most people will take the max. fuel needed for this race but when you look in reality thats not how it works.
I drive mostly the FXR and FZR and I can say that there is not much difference of lap time. Maybe it is not like this with the BF1, I dont know. So we have to check it out cause otherwise the whole pit stop stuff in LFS is for nothing.....

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There's a very noticable difference in the lighter cars. I can tell the difference between 10% full and 2% full in cars like the XFGTi and LX4.

handling i do agree but lap time?

Quote from Don :

i did a test few months ago. drag with RB4 with almost empty and almost full tank (dont remember the exact values), but with full tank the time was about 0.35s slower.

Thats not much. When you look at F1 I think it does make a much bigger difference, 1-2 sec.

Quote from JTbo :

I am enough bad driver to not find difference, but there is weight difference with fuel in game already.

you can see it on your time?

I can't see any difference but maybe cause I never really made a deep check.
Wha is your experience?

în the rally car you have allways a passanger

thats true, this is one think what I was thinking about it as well
pit stop strategy is in LFS worthless.....

but I hope this changes as well soon

Maybe he is breaking, have to check it again.

What should I see in the picture?

There are a lot of Championships in real where the winning cars get's extra weight. An option would be nice to put some kg into a car.

Nice video

There I just see when one tyre is in the air that it stops to turn, thats crap/bug illepall

When you got the wheel then check out the North American DTM Devision on www.SimFIA.com

F1: yes you are right but in LfS you can't see this. the draft there is like in the old days but not like 2day

pls check the DTM link and go to 50% of the video there you can watch the race action. the cars sometime so close together that I say it is not possible to make this by lifting a bit the throttle especialy not when you brake in to a corner

For mostly all cars is the draft not right, this means way to high.
When you look for ex. at any GTR car or the BF1. When you are right behind a car, you get such a huge speed increase. Now watch the Formula 1, did you ever see something like this? Yeah, 10-15 years ago but not today. It would be nice to have it back but right now it isn't. The same for the GTR cars. Watch for example the DTM races they are racing damn close over couple of laps car on car. In LfS not possible cause you crash right away in to the car in front of you.

I think this really needs some improvement to make LfS more relistic and it would make the racing more interesting cause we would get tighter fights.

It's over now

and when u open the file in lfs nothing is happening?

this would mean for a CD race it would be ok cause nobody is joining

mmmmm, does then not work I guess
strange

thx anyway

PS: right now watching two since a while

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Watching.

thx mate