NASCAR? Not popular?

NASCAR isn't popular all right...with the FnF kiddies who make up 1% of US' population.

Now that you mention it - yes, I wouldn't have been as drawn to LFS if the demo came with formula cars or even exotics. I was excited to see cars that I've spent time with represented rather convincingly, with a hint of spice. I actually enjoyed the XFG more than the RWD's, probably because FWD was what I was more familiar with. Now if mine would only rev to 8K redline...

As long as there are forums, there will be the select 5-7 repeat topics.

Are you using the XBCD community drivers? I used to use the 360 controller with LFS and was able to do split axis easily. Make sure you have the trigger axes setup properly in the driver setup. You might have to hit recalibrate in LFS if things are not working properly.

Quote from SamH :

...punching Mr Speedypants's lights out, or taking a dump on his FZR's dashboard has never been deemed appropriate behaviour. Even in LFS

I'd like to see these features implemented in LFS.

Oh wait, I should refrain until I have bought my license...(in 1 1/2 weeks, when school is over!)

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_cornering.shtml has some nice basic stuff. The site is a bit of a mess right now but a bit of digging goes a long way.
Anyway, I don't think it's the lack of information that turns off a lot of newbies; it's the fact that they simply don't want to deal with simulating reality (putting in effort) when it comes to racing. Many enjoy the NFS or Outrun-style of driving "physics" and LFS is like a slap in the face to them. (the dreaded understeer on T1 as they approach it full throttle and full lock) Of those who manage to get S2, I can only imagine that the FOX is the next closest thing to what they perceive as "proper" cars.
GT imo is popular not just because it has all the c00l c4rz and tr4ckz (95% of the reason) but because it bridges the total arcade and sim in terms of physics (the other 5%). Basically, it is not as brutal, should you screw up, as LFS. (example: if you go way off, you're just bumped back onto the road, not into the gravel pit from where you shall never return)

If your aim was to eventually end up with S2 and also to save money (who isn't in this boat?), you'll spend less buying S2 outright. If you buy S1 for 12pounds today, the 12pounds additional you'll spend on S2 later on will require you to convert even more dollars, supposing exchange rates progress the way they do at the moment.

Reference: http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/GBP/graph120.html

There're SO many other games out there that allow wanton modding like the aforementioned (and super awful) Street Legal, why don't the complainers go to any one of those games instead of crying here? (time and again, it seems like.)


Hint: They like this game for what it is. Yes, deep down, they do. That's a good sign wouldn't you all say?

Gee, if you're going to complain about not being able to afford S2, at least play the part and show a screenshot at 512x384 with minimum details...

I wouldn't mind a "Wonder Car" in S2.

Not that it would be a selling point for me. (There are PLENTY of other ones, however)

Well, as a *current* demo user (as of this posting), I can say that I have not encountered any of those "anti-demo" vibe from anyone here. However, I wouldn't doubt that responses to ill-informed/unrelated remarks would have a bit more "bite" to them unless I was S2 licensed.
Still, it would all be in good fun, and really is no reason to get all uppity about it. Or create a whole thread about it. But it's here, and I'm posting.

For the longest time I thought the S2 license was something you've gotten after you have passed some sort of grueling driving test in the game.

Then I realized that those testers could be bought.

My fantasy has been shattered.

Alas, I don't have 'the accent'. Then again we have plenty on here who do, it seems.

Steelies = steel wheels. Yes, it was a joke. Movin on...

Every road car in the game should have the option of putting on steelies. Or perhaps donuts for those differentially challenged cars. You can blow tires in the game after all (although usually only after much abuse).

Everyone knows steelies look awesome, especially when painted neon green!
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Yes, it was a demo server I was running. Dedicated as well, so hitting 'n' would not bring up any menus.

However, all this is moot since I will be licensing myself shortly anyhow. Thanks for everyone's help

Hmm, I've tried looking all over LFSW but I could not find any total S2 #s, only those currently online. Maybe it's because I'm still demo?

I have already asked this question in the beginners forum but I didn't know this forum existed until now

Basically, with a dedicated server (where you cannot bring up the list of names with the kick/ban buttons) is there a way to kick/ban players that use duplicate names or names that are not typeable? There was a player named "I have" one time, but no matter how I tried to type that name, the server kept saying "Invalid user name."

You should realize that trojans for these types of "fake" programs are rarely detected by virus scanners even if they are up to date. So, if you think you don't have a virus or trojan after using "LFS keygen.exe" or whatever, you might want to take a closer look at your system...

Quote from Foropsico :

Any way, not many people used to buy software, hardware is necesary, software is crackeable. So, the price for software must be low.

The price is not set by thieves. It is set according to the projected market and required revenue, amongst other things. Even if LFS cost only $1, do you think enough people would buy it to support the developers? I don't think so. My mother (nor yours I bet) would not purchase LFS simply because she is not in the market. And the market for driving sims (especially without real cars/tracks/bling) is not that large. So, the price must be set carefully.

Do the math:
If the price is $1 and you sell 100,000 copies, you make $1*100,000 = $100,000
If the price is $50 and you sell 10,000 copies, you make $50*10,000 = $500,000

Nobody except for the devs knows how many S2 licenses have been sold or will be sold in the future. I am quite certain that the number is nowhere near what World of Warcraft sells (per months even) :P

Going back to the original post, he said that $60CDN is a lot of money.

A lot of money, for what? A piece of gum? Cleanly he doesn't think it is worth it. And that is fine. But it is pointless to discuss it. Well, maybe there would be a discussion if the price suddenly doubled one day, or people are forced to subscribe.
As far as I can tell, you can argue about it with about as much result as people arguing about drifting.

I really do think that a lot less people would balk at the price if LFS was sold in a shiny box, published by EA, and had half the content.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm already thoroughly enjoying the demo content, and any additional content provided by the cost of the S2 license would be icing on the cake. If I tired of the demo stuff already (about 2 weeks into it so far) I wouldn't expect S2 to make it any better, at least not for very long and certainly not worth paying $60 for. But no, the demo has me convinced that S2 is certainly worth it. For me.

You are missing the point of LFS imo...

I don't quite remember the name of the driver, but if you go into device manager and open up the page for the xbox 360 controller (if it doesn't say XBCD, then you have the MS driver) which will have the filename of the driver. Delete this, unplug the controller, install XBCD, then plug it back in.

Very refreshing - it was about time someone posted this. Don't whine about luxuries you can't afford because you won't spend the effort to save towards it.

I have used the Xbox360 controller with the XBCD community drivers for a while, and they have worked great. One thing you will have to note is that if you have already installed the default (read: crap) microsoft drivers for the pad, you will not be able to get the XBCD drivers to work. Therefore, you must delete the original microsoft driver file (in the system32 folder) for the pad before the XBCD drivers will be used by the OS. Basically, installing the XBCD drivers will NOT overwrite the original drivers, and as long as the original drivers remain, the XBCD drivers will not be active.

The controller is pretty decent for LFS: Left stick - steer, triggers - independent pedals (my crap pedals can't even do that...), and right stick - freelook! And yes, the XBCD drivers will allow you to set the deadzones for the analog sticks, absolutely ESSENTIAL. SHAME on microsoft for not even including this functionality in their drivers.