Quote from Joku123 :

Tried that and imo it's fair and everything works well.

Now I need to watch every South City wr so I can see which ones I can try to take after official patch release.

First you need to try so2r/fxr wr

Quote from hantti :

First you need to try so2r/fxr wr

In fact, it's easy, but we need more time to do it.
Due to the 2 sectors, he improved the time, but not specifically

Quote from ARTlight :

It's some kind of bug: when you fall into underworld, you actually freeze there. If you reset, you are being reset in the very same spot. The only way to get from there is pitting or joining the spectators.

It's not a bug ... (I think you know the rest of the sentence ... )

Quote from [Audi TT] :

I think on straight track protection to be shut off because any scratches on the fence or the angle of apex rotation causes HLVC.
But I want to hear from other people's opinions.

That was quite a massive impact. Actually the wall effectively helped your car to stay "in the line" so invalidation is absolutely correct and necessary here.
Besides I'm quite sure this would have been invalidated in the "old version" also

Quote from avetere :

It's not a bug ... (I think you know the rest of the sentence ... )

Hm, not really. If you are insulting, IDK why. If sentence ends with the reason, why it was made in such way, I would like to know that reason. If sentence ends with something else... Don't know.

Quote from avetere :

That was quite a massive impact. Actually the wall effectively helped your car to stay "in the line" so invalidation is absolutely correct and necessary here.
Besides I'm quite sure this would have been invalidated in the "old version" also

It depends how hard hit the wall.. Z28

In the picture observed, as if I did. In other cases, if there was a touch of times during his did not improve.

Quote from ARTlight :

Hm, not really. If you are insulting, IDK why. If sentence ends with the reason, why it was made in such way, I would like to know that reason. If sentence ends with something else... Don't know.

No insults intended ... and it ends with "it's a feature".

Explanation:
Case 1: You are on a "closed config"
If you go out of bounds you can be resetted to the point on track (or at least within the limits of the drivable area) which is closest to the one you ended up (or where you left the track; I don't really now how the position is calculated exactly), because LfS "knows" where you ought to drive. So everything is fine and as we knew it.

Case 2: You are on an "open config"
In this case LfS has no information on where you ought to be, as the world is totally open (and there are no track-nodes on which to decide where you should go).
So, as there is no information on where to put you, LfS can't put you anywhere.
If you reset while in a position where there is physical ground contact everything is fine and you are simply resetted ti the same position.
In a case as shown on your pic, where there is no ground, this cannot work. Actually in a previous version such a case resulted in endless respawning and falling through the ground. This is now effectively avoided by simply taking your car out of everything (retired).
Again, as there is no information on where to put you, I don't see an easy workaround for that. You might argue that you could directly go to spectators or pits but that would be even more irritating ...

Quote from [Audi TT] :

It depends how hard hit the wall.. Z28

So, what is this video intended to show us?!?
Watch your first vid and then ask yourself one question:
Would your car have behaved in the same way (e.g. same line), if the wall you have touched would not have been there and would the resulting laptime thus not have been affected? This is the actual meaning of a "minor impact" ...
The answer to this question is simply: No. (you even get your suspension damaged ... not hard but it gets damage ...)

Quote from Scawen :

EDIT : Please hotlappers do try out the 0.6A1 hotlapping system. Victor and I worked for quite a while to try and make sure the wall hit detection was "fair". That means - invalidating hotlaps if the hit was significant, but trying not to invalidate them when there is a small scrape that wouldn't really benefit the lap time. Clearly there's a slight grey area but we had to draw the line somewhere.

OK boss

http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1307888833 This is clean lap no contact i think (unofficial PB hotlap damn it Eza ! ) 56.30

I tried to create as many close hits and hard hits pushing damn XRT pretty hard in this one
http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1307888833 56.43

Quote from hantti :

First you need to try so2r/fxr wr

I already have valid lap that is faster than 2nd laptime in hotlap chart. Will upload that when my old lap gets deleted.
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Quote from avetere :

So, what is this video intended to show us?!?
Watch your first vid and then ask yourself one question:
Would your car have behaved in the same way (e.g. same line), if the wall you have touched would not have been there and would the resulting laptime thus not have been affected? This is the actual meaning of a "minor impact" ...
The answer to this question is simply: No. (you even get your suspension damaged ... not hard but it gets damage ...)

see screenshots.
I tell you about the direct sections of the route, which can not be well to improve his time. Outside turning radius works well.

Here is the test output of the South City hotlap world records, created with Test Patch 0.6A1.

FAIL and PIT_STOP results will be deleted when the official patch is released (because of wall hits or pit stops).

On other tracks there are very few FAIL results - I think only 5 of the non-SO world records will be deleted for wall hits.

And some other WR's with pit stops in them, e.g. some Kyoto Oval world records.

Quote from avetere :

Explanation:
Case 1: You are on a "closed config"
...

Case 2: You are on an "open config"
...

No, I think you did not understand. Reset is not needed, I just added that case. In fact, when people can't reset (/canreset no), they should be spectated immediately after falling to the underground world. Or am I wrong? Was it changed?
And by the way, closed config... There you still freeze and do not get spectated/reset if you do not do anything yourself. Like in the previous attachment, RETIRED, but neither spectated, nor reset (no matter, reset is on or off).
Question is, WHY people are not spectated if reset is turned off (in both open and closed configs)?

Flame CZE, then it is just go through all the WR to remove the pit hotlaps.

Quote from Flame CZE :

And some other WR's with pit stops in them, e.g. some Kyoto Oval world records.

Yes, loads of them.

But I don't need anyone to test the fairness of pit stop fails. If they did a pit stop, it will be deleted. If they did not do a pit stop, it will not be deleted. There is no need to test that. I posted this list so people who are interested in hotlaps could take a look at those that now fail but didn't before, if they wish to do so.

Quote from ARTlight :

Question is, WHY people are not spectated if reset is turned off (in both open and closed configs)?

In real life if you fall into the underworld you are not spectated.

Scawen, If you delete a WR, then 2 the result is 1, ie WR. The program checks only hotlaps WR or the entire list to a satisfactory hotlap?

Quote from Scawen :

In real life if you fall into the underworld you are not spectated.

Well, this is actually very disputable and a matter of belief ...
Nevertheless, I LOLed hard on that one

Quote from [Audi TT] :

Scawen, If you delete a WR, then 2 the result is 1, ie WR. The program checks only hotlaps WR or the entire list to a satisfactory hotlap?

Of course, all hotlaps will be checked, not just the world records.

That's two sig worthy posts now... wait three!

No mention yet of the upside down chalkmarks Scawen? Not a game breaker, but a newly introduced annoyance all the same.

Quote from Squelch :

No mention yet of the backwards chalkmarks Scawen? Not a game breaker, but a newly introduced annoyance all the same.

Sorry but I don't know what you are talking about.

Quote from Scawen :

Sorry but I don't know what you are talking about.

If a direction marker is placed it shows towards the camera, but a chalk mark placed immediately after is upside down.
First mentioned here

I think he means the chalkmarks are now backwards - no idea what that means :S.

Well the chalk arrows have not changed, forward always meant forward (same direction as a start position).

So your point really is that you would prefer markers to be the opposite way. But they came from Aston and that's just the way they were made. They face "forward". So the "front" of them has the writing on it. That's how Eric first made them in the modeller and I really think that is the normal way that anyone would build an object. What you would call the front of a car and what you would call the front of a sign...

Only problem is you like the front of signs to oppose the front of a car. So the signs that you see on a road are all pointing backwards.

Anyway, that's just how it is so it will not be changed.

Quote from Scawen :

Well the chalk arrows have not changed, forward always meant forward (same direction as a start position).

So your point really is that you would prefer markers to be the opposite way. But they came from Aston and that's just the way they were made. They face "forward". So the "front" of them has the writing on it. That's how Eric first made them in the modeller and I really think that is the normal way that anyone would build an object. What you would call the front of a car and what you would call the front of a sign...

Only problem is you like the front of signs to oppose the front of a car. So the signs that you see on a road are all pointing backwards.

Anyway, that's just how it is so it will not be changed.

No, I meant the chalk marks are upside down. The boards are correct from the camera pov and would face the driver as expected, but chalk arrows don't follow the same convention. (see attached pic in prev post) We have always had to rotate the chalks anyway, so no matter if that's how it is.

Quote from Squelch :

If a direction marker is placed it shows towards the camera, but a chalk mark placed immediately after is upside down.
First mentioned here

You mean that when selecting a marker, the marker object is rotated 180 degrees and we do not see what he had in front of? Have to rotate the handle to see the picture on it.


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He means that when choosing the left arrow in chalk, the default should be rotated so as I have in the picture.