Even though Martinsville would be nice, I dont like the fact it is mainly only one groove. A more fun short track IMO would be Irwindale because it has the variable banking. So, the top line is the line most run and does help out the tires, but the lower line is where the ppl behind try to pass. And since the track is wide it calls for some good racing.

It also has an open in-field section with a smaller oval in the middle. The smaller oval could be used for things such as banger leagues, and also for figure 8 races. Another thing, you know those pesky drifters like Irwindale :P . So I think Irwindale would be more suitable for lfs because it could be used for more than just the one oval.

Sorry for bringing this thread even more off topic from the OP.

Quote from djgizmo68 :

Something like Bristal

Bristol, Martinsville, and Myrtle Beach.....all u guys need to see

As for Rally, rally is mainly a time trial then a race. Ovals, rally, and road course are all very different from each other. I personally find rally boring. But in the end, it really matters on your taste. If any one of those three racing discipline would be boring, then all three would not have the following it has now

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Point #1, you want Martinsville, the shortest of the Nascar tracks. 0.49 miles with ~1500 foot straights. IMO, it is the best track in Nascar, and a blast to drive in NR2003.

As for oval in LFS, it's not only that people don't understand how to race on an oval, but the aero physics is lacking. Perhaps it's because of car design, but with stockcars, you don't continuously slingshot past each other back and forth through the whole race. Both cars get an advantage during the draft. A line of 5 or 6 cars on a track like Kyoto (which essentially would drive much like Daytona) would pull away from a pack of cars running side by side. Even with the fact that the side by side cars are drafting the cars in front and behind. The front car should be getting a push from the cushion of air between them when in drafting. The way it is in LFS may be ok with open wheel cars, but the continuous slingshotting shouldn't happen with something that has a flatter front end (ie, a car with a bumper).

This i agree. Oval racing will be effective and fun if there's a good aero system. (Nascar 2003, Nascar Sim, RFactor CoT).

Quote from mrodgers :

Point #1, you want Martinsville, the shortest of the Nascar tracks. 0.49 miles with ~1500 foot straights. IMO, it is the best track in Nascar, and a blast to drive in NR2003.

Yep, sounds the right sort of thing. Something you have to work to drive and no space to rest.

Quote from mrodgers :

As for oval in LFS, it's not only that people don't understand how to race on an oval, but the aero physics is lacking. Perhaps it's because of car design, but with stockcars, you don't continuously slingshot past each other back and forth through the whole race. Both cars get an advantage during the draft. A line of 5 or 6 cars on a track like Kyoto (which essentially would drive much like Daytona) would pull away from a pack of cars running side by side. Even with the fact that the side by side cars are drafting the cars in front and behind. The front car should be getting a push from the cushion of air between them when in drafting. The way it is in LFS may be ok with open wheel cars, but the continuous slingshotting shouldn't happen with something that has a flatter front end (ie, a car with a bumper).

True, you need to team up with others if you geet behind and need to chase. Would bee good to get that effect in LFS.

I am sure others have said that some stockcar related setup option that are also missing on the cars in LFS.

Quote from Woz :

Yep, sounds the right sort of thing. Something you have to work to drive and no space to rest.

That's where a tracks like Talladega would be great. Me after a tally race:

Quote from Woz :

I am sure others have said that some stockcar related setup option that are also missing on the cars in LFS.

Yup, me on multiple occasions every time a discussion on stockcar/Nascar for LFS comes up. You need staggar, tires on one side being larger than the other. The biggest thing I don't like with driving the KY oval is my steering wheel pointing straight as I drive down the straights, LOL. In stockcars, they use staggar to help with turning in the corners, thus you are actually holding the wheel off center while driving down the straight.

Staggar, better or different aero physics, and weight bias are the 3 main things needed for stockcar racing in LFS. (those and more and better ovals )

Sheesh, I'm heading to bed.... Good night all....

Aston is Great.
Westhill is Great.
Blackwood is Great.
Fern Bay is Great.
South City is Great.

But the Oval track in LFS is so bad it's not even funny anymore!!!

Anyone who knows a little about this type of Racing, knows about tracks like Atlanta, Texas, Miami, Indianapolis, Dover, knows that the LFS Oval Track has a rubbish layout! No Oval Track in the World does look close to the Kyoto Oval.

We need a decent Oval Track, and a NASCAR Stockcar type of car!!!! *Rant Over* Thank you

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Aston is Great.
Westhill is Great.
Blackwood is Great.
Fern Bay is Great.
South City is Great.

But the Oval track in LFS is so bad it's not even funny anymore!!!

Anyone who knows a little about this type of Racing, knows about tracks like Atlanta, Texas, Miami, Indianapolis, Dover, knows that the LFS Oval Track has a rubbish layout! No Oval Track in the World does look close to the Kyoto Oval.

We need a decent Oval Track, and a NASCAR Stockcar type of car!!!! *Rant Over* Thank you

Dont forget Bristol. Boy, racing's exciting in Bristol, love to have that here in LsF (RFactor has it why cant LsF?)

Live Speed For?

If you guys want the traditional Stock Car model, then Nascar is not good. Better off with the USAR. The USAR cars are more fragile but they are more a long the line of traditional stock cars

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Anyone who knows a little about this type of Racing, knows about tracks like Atlanta, Texas, Miami, Indianapolis, Dover, knows that the LFS Oval Track has a rubbish layout! No Oval Track in the World does look close to the Kyoto Oval.

Actually, it has a very similar shape to pheonix, it's just alot bigger.
Anyway, i would love to see an accurate replication of Darlington in LFS.
That would shut the oval haters in LFS up. Ovals take no skill to drive. lol

Quote from EvilVendingMachine :

Actually, it has a very similar shape to pheonix, it's just alot bigger.
Anyway, i would love to see an accurate replication of Darlington in LFS.
That would shut the oval haters in LFS up. Ovals take no skill to drive. lol

OMG the lady in black LOL. So many ppl would hit the wall on that track :P

It's not that they take no skill, it's that they take less skill

Although I don't know if skill is the right word. Perhaps strain. On car and driver.

Quote from EeekiE :

It's not that they take no skill, it's that they take less skill

Although I don't know if skill is the right word. Perhaps strain. On car and driver.

I wouldn't say less skill, i'd say a different kind of skill. I rarely see road courses have a field of over 20. Where in ovals it's usually 40+.

Oval tracks aren't hard by itself, but in a field with that magnitude it'll take skill to do good. Besides road course ppl have been known to struggle in ovals and vise versa. (hideo fukuyama and christian fittipaldi).

it's like comparing rally to road courses, totally different skill, totally different kind of discipline.

No matter what you may think, just remember this: NO professional racing is easy.

Of course, but then you get people trying to claim events like Drag are just as challenging as any circuit based event. They all have their challenges, but they're not all equal. I personally fail to see how 5 seconds is a race. That's just the start of a race. Most races start from a stop with an aggressive take off to gain the crucial first places

I also don't think amount of cars makes it much harder? It's just more cars. Le Mans has it's fair share of entries, and they all seem to go around in pretty tight packs for the first few hours.

I guess when someone loves something they just want to preach it to the world as the best thing ever. Must be human nature or something.

Drag is hard on the mechanic, but not the driver.

I may be wrong but I do not think that you constantly go 3-4 wide with 10 cars within .5 second of you in Le Mans. Although it's a pack, it's normally at most side by side.

With ovals that's a daily think

I also didn't say it's the best thing ever. I like F1 and GT almost as much as nascar. I just hate ppl claiming that ovals are a walk in the park and any idiot off the street can do well on an oval. (that really piss me off).

Quote from George Kuyumji :

We have some really great tracks in LFS, but KY Oval is a sad excuse for an Oval Track.

Good. Ovals are lame and theres no fun in them. Michael Schumacher had to stop himself from bashing NASCAR drivers at the Race of Champions a few years back. "They think they are going fast, but..." he said. Laughed my ass off.

Quote from Motordirex :

Good. Ovals are lame and theres no fun in them. Michael Schumacher had to stop himself from bashing NASCAR drivers at the Race of Champions a few years back. "They think they are going fast, but..." he said. Laughed my ass off.

So that's the reason why great road course drivers like Hideo Fukuyama, Christian Fittipaldi and Juan Pablo Montoya (he did so bad this week end) had struggle in ovals -_-.

Many road course drivers gave up their seat for ovals. Ricky Charmichael, Juan Pablo Montoya, even Paul Tracy like the ovals. (and they all struggled as well)

Not to mention that Sebastian Bourdais said the greatest competition he ever got in racing was from Nascar champ Mark Martin in the IROC (oval series).

Quote from Motordirex :

Good. Ovals are lame and theres no fun in them. Michael Schumacher had to stop himself from bashing NASCAR drivers at the Race of Champions a few years back. "They think they are going fast, but..." he said. Laughed my ass off.

The ignorance is amazing.

Racing in an Oval needs alot of skill, thats why F1 drivers struggle there.

If you think you know Oval Racing from LFS, you have no idea, because LFS doesnt have a proper Oval Track.

Going 330 km/h centimeters next to each other, drifting towards a wall at the edge of the Grip limit, sometimes with three cars next to each other is very challenging, thats why Montoya needs to learn alot before he will be good in it.

And Montoya is a Champ Car Champion and won the Indy 500.

Like I said, the ignorance towards Oval Racing is amazing, especially in Europe were alot of people just dont know much about it. And most of the time you cannot explain or reason with these people. They are just like drunken Soccer Fans who try to tell a F1 follower that racing an F1 car is easy.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

The ignorance is amazing.

Racing in an Oval needs alot of skill, thats why F1 drivers struggle there.

If you think you know Oval Racing from LFS, you have no idea, because LFS doesnt have a proper Oval Track.

Going 330 km/h centimeters next to each other, drifting towards a wall at the edge of the Grip limit, sometimes with three cars next to each other is very challenging, thats why Montoya needs to learn alot before he will be good in it.

And Montoya is a Champ Car Champion and won the Indy 500.

Like I said, the ignorance towards Oval Racing is amazing, especially in Europe were alot of people just dont know much about it. And most of the time you cannot explain or reason with these people. They are just like drunken Soccer Fans who try to tell a F1 follower that racing an F1 car is easy.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I though I'd be a outcast here. The division between ovals and road courses fans are greatly defined and unessecary. Both provide great racing.

Expectation for Montoya in the Nascar series are sky high and they shouldn't be. He's already having great difficulty with California and Bristol but hey he's doing better then Fittipaldi and Fukuyama.

The oval pit stops is what he has the most trouble. He's not use to 30-43 cars all jammed in pit road (he even ran into someone in Cali)

Just because a guy is good at flying a plane doesn't mean he's automatically going to be good at flying a kyte.

Quote from EeekiE :

Just because a guy is good at flying a plane doesn't mean he's automatically going to be good at flying a kyte.

ooo, I think this thread just became deep and meaningfull.
Sarcasm aside, I see a good number of road course lovers who bash oval racing,
yet i rarely see any oval lovers bash road course racing.
Hmm, something to think about.

Quote from EvilVendingMachine :

ooo, I think this thread just became deep and meaningfull.
Sarcasm aside, I see a good number of road course lovers who bash oval racing,
yet i rarely see any oval lovers bash road course racing.
Hmm, something to think about.

Omg you have not been to the Cot forums for RFactor LOL.

But it's mainly because the ovals "appear" easy. "After all, how hard is it to drive in circles?"

But of course also I know people who say that all forms of racing are lame and easy. "there's no point, it's the faster car that wins. it's boring."

Quote from EvilVendingMachine :

ooo, I think this thread just became deep and meaningfull.
Sarcasm aside, I see a good number of road course lovers who bash oval racing,
yet i rarely see any oval lovers bash road course racing.
Hmm, something to think about.

Thats mainly because most Oval Racing Fans are dedicated Motorsport Fans who know how to enjoy different types of Motorsport. While most Road Racing Fans just dont know much about Oval Racing.

You cannot explain to a Soccer Fan that Racing F1 is exciting and difficult if he doesnt want to know about it, same goes to Road Racing Fans who bash Oval Racing, most of them just dont know about Oval Racing and if there ignorant they start bashing something they have no clue about. The funny thing is, some of them think there smart saying Oval Racing is easy, while they are totally close minded and cannot think out of the box = :hide:

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Thats mainly because most Oval Racing Fans are dedicated Motorsport Fans who know how to enjoy different types of Motorsport. While most Road Racing Fans just dont know much about Oval Racing.

That's just been pulled out of your rectum right there. I'm sure I could find plenty of people from both sides, that fit both descriptions. Most of the NASCAR fans I've met on generic international car forums like Streetfire or even eBaums have been FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from all-round motorsport fans. Take a look.