Im from scandinavia. Black Ice puts the excitement to winter driving like nothing else.
You drive 60kph(catiously becuase its winter) on the snaking winter road in the middle of nowhere, then after some breake tests you drive 70 (the legal speed), then (since you feel so secure with the tarmac, can read the forest for how the road turns and are in a hurry) you slip into 80 and sometimes 90(the normal speed :shhh, then you see your goal and break to turn, and nothing, exactly nothing happens no squeeling tyres, not even scrubbing noises, you try the pedal again and its no difference (well if the road turn you understeer as you break) you just clutch and roll untill the speed goes down or you hit tarmac, then after a 180turn you see the white stripes in the ice from the studs.
Even funnier in a wvbus with 40/60 brake bias (due to broken load sensor, I learned later)

Happens not in racing except in eiskurve.

Quote from Mazz4200 :

Here's an example of black ice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfHeCQzWuQg

It just looks like an ordinary patch of wet tarmac but It's really scary when you hit it, you feel the wheel go light, loose traction and then on you're just a passenger waiting to hit something.

Also found this clip when looking for black ice, take a look This is weird

that first video is in my town rofl...and afaik thats not black ice its just rain and old asphalt that is very used and slick...very low grip...i go that way from school every day and couple of times i understeered there, its a chicane

ok lock this now

It has to be scary to have something like that on a race track, lucky as Jakg said, it probally would not happend.

But to go off topic - I wouldn`t call it black ice when it`s snow, or ice under snow. And in America people can`t drive on snow it looks. And don`t call me stupid, yeye I know all about those kind of tires they use down there, and it would all be good if they could learn how to drive on snow and ice, not just "AMAGAWD IT`S SLIPPEREY HERE!! LETS TURN TEH WHEEL MAX AND LOCK TEH BRAKES!!"

Americans seem to think flooring the gas will slow them down.
Also they think when someone is tailgating, to make them go away you have to slamon the brakes

Quote from Jakg :

Yup, that would be fun, having something that isn't often on tracks, why dont we have a giant dragon that attacks the leader? That'd be something you wouldn't get used to, and it'd be bloody challenging.

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The ultimate simulation might have this, but imo this is pointless atm.

lol like the idea! my suggestion - an actual freakin race sim thats REAL!!! (no black ice for instance!) the reason other sims dont have it is because it aint freakin real!!! REAL tracks dont have black ice, thats what marshalls are hired for, to test the condition of the track. everyone bought lfs for the reality factor, didnt they?

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

everyone bought lfs for the reality factor, didnt they?

Certainly not everyone.

Quote from zeugnimod :

Certainly not everyone.

well, most people anyway. I mean, compare the reality with any other racing sim. It is probably the most real.

I want realism, but tbh i'd rather stuff like more tyre "thingies" or Multi-threading than Black Ice - not only is it rare, but it won't make the racing any better.

It would take away form the game, as everyone suddenly gets wiped out at a point on a track. What I would like to see however, is more weather conditions, such as fog, rain, snow (maybe) and heavy rain. These would add to the realism of the game, with unpredictable conditions. Obviously, you wouldn't get snow at fernbay, but it would work with other tracks. Ideas?

Quote from The Very End :

"AMAGAWD IT`S SLIPPEREY HERE!! LETS TURN TEH WHEEL MAX AND LOCK TEH BRAKES!!"

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/031131.jpg

God damn i hate black ice. The ammount of times i have been walking along, have'nt noticed the ice, and then "BAM" i slip and smack my head off the floor

This vid is quite good, notice how everyones reaction is to slam the brakes and keep them locked up, instead of pressing-realeasing-pressing-realising etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;mode=related&search=

Quote from Jakg :

I want realism, but tbh i'd rather stuff like more tyre "thingies" or Multi-threading than Black Ice - not only is it rare, but it won't make the racing any better.

Can't wait to play LFS with 2000 fps cant you?

Quote from h3adbang3r :

Can't wait to play LFS with 2000 fps cant you?

You mean you're building a computer with the same spec as Jakg's ?

Quote from Mazz4200 :

You mean you're building a computer with the same spec as Jakg's ?

Oh, you mean the one that costs $4000 just in parts to build?

Quote from Shotglass :

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/031131.jpg

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I got the point. It`s not fun to be behind people that drivers 10 km/h.
But when we speak about it? Does the Americans get trained in slippery roads when they are taking the lisence? Are they not trained in what to do if the road is slippery? The last thing you ever wants to do is to just slam the brakes and turn hard when it`s slippery, but it seems that most of them doesn`t know this :/

Well back topic, sorry just had to free my thoughts.

Quote from Mazz4200 :

You mean you're building a computer with the same spec as Jakg's ?

If I had the money, I would do it in a heartbeat

If you had the money i hope you'd make better decisions than i did!

Quote from Jakg :

If you had the money i hope you'd make better decisions than i did!

If it is the ammount of money I am thinking... I think I would build myself another track car

I've never worked out the cost, but it's probably enough to get my bike fully working...

You must want some POS track car though :P

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I got the point. It`s not fun to be behind people that drivers 10 km/h.
But when we speak about it? Does the Americans get trained in slippery roads when they are taking the lisence? Are they not trained in what to do if the road is slippery? The last thing you ever wants to do is to just slam the brakes and turn hard when it`s slippery, but it seems that most of them doesn`t know this :/

Well back topic, sorry just had to free my thoughts.

There are plenty of drivers (auto autodidacts ), but it's safe to say the vast majority are only trying to get from point A to point B and couldn't care less about technique. All you need to do to pass the test (in CA) is look around you like someone with ADD (intrinsically dangerous). Don't even need to go on the freeway...

Videos like that make me laugh. My first instinct in those cars would be more like steering the front wheels in the right direction (not beyond) and giving it a little gas... and I've never driven on ice!

Quote from wark :

There are plenty of drivers (auto autodidacts ), but it's safe to say the vast majority are only trying to get from point A to point B and couldn't care less about technique. All you need to do to pass the test (in CA) is look around you like someone with ADD (intrinsically dangerous). Don't even need to go on the freeway...

Videos like that make me laugh. My first instinct in those cars would be more like steering the front wheels in the right direction (not beyond) and giving it a little gas... and I've never driven on ice!

I find it very strange, that people not get trained on test tracks that simulates slippery conditions. Since American doesn`t get this training they are a hazard on the road, and if I see an American on Norwegian road I will turn loooong away from him.

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I got the point. It`s not fun to be behind people that drivers 10 km/h.
But when we speak about it? Does the Americans get trained in slippery roads when they are taking the lisence? Are they not trained in what to do if the road is slippery? The last thing you ever wants to do is to just slam the brakes and turn hard when it`s slippery, but it seems that most of them doesn`t know this :/

Well back topic, sorry just had to free my thoughts.

Here's what happens when we get our license:

1: 20 question multiple choice test, mainly about what the road signs are and why you shouldn't drink and drive
2: Drive around a parking lot, do a 3 point turn, and go reverse without crashing into anything
3: Park it, "Gratz!", you got a license.

That's it.

Quote from wark :

Videos like that make me laugh. My first instinct in those cars would be more like steering the front wheels in the right direction (not beyond) and giving it a little gas... and I've never driven on ice!

Yea, but that only works if you got a Front Wheel Drive car. Funny that they don't tell you that in Driver's Ed, you get trained for a RWD car. Actually, I've oversteered a Honda Civic, and it won't straight unless you tap the gas.

There is a purpose to this request, though.

Did any of you watch WRC Monte Carlo 2006?

If so, then you can guess what feature this would be a part of...