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He did well, but he just lost his cool. Better luck next year to Hamilton - I'm sure he'll win it someday, just like I was sure Kimi would
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He did well, but he just lost his cool. Better luck next year to Hamilton - I'm sure he'll win it someday, just like I was sure Kimi would
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8 pages, as Nobi said... other opinions don't differ that much. Intrepid reminds me of a thing called Flat Earth Society.
Yea, that's exactly what I am saying. Because Kimi won teh race, Hamilton needed 4th place to win the championship. Funny how the 3/4 cars in front of him. They needed to move out of the way, to make Hamilton champion. My actual point is the fact, if these cars were to have gained an unfair advantage, nobody would of beaten them. And the fact Alonso was infront of them too, means Hamilton doesn't have a case. What will McLaren say in the appeal? Oh, the BMW's and Williams' were too fast... but 1 of our cars beat them, as did 2 Ferrari's....but ye... they evidently had a Power advantage, i mean look at Nakajima, it was evidently too fast, that's why he took out his mechanics couldn't slow it down.
You're the one talking out your ass mate, you seem to think Kimi's contract til the end of 2009 and Massa's contract to the end of 2010 mean nothing. I may make myself look like a fool to others, but one thing I never do, is contradict myself. Whether it be stupid logic, or blatent ignorance. (as most of you know no. pretty much ALL of you know.)
5th.
my bad, but 4th can only help things
I was thinking, if he was 5th, him and Kimi would've been equal on points, then Kimi would of... etc
Having an unfair advantage means being better than they should be. So what if Ferrari and a McLaren beat them - the Williams and he BWM might have [pending appeal] gained an advantage over where they should have been due to more power or shorter fuel stops. It might be 1 second over a race distance, or it might have been a couple of places. But I don't think they'd have been caught or passed by Hamilton anyway. So in my opinion they should each have 15 seconds added to their race times. Punishment and fairness all in one 
Point's means money in Formula 1 though Tristan. I think if there is a punishment to be served, Williams' and BMW's cars should be ejected from 6th 5th and 4th, and have those positions remain Vacant.
At the end of the Day, McLaren really don't have an case to appeal for. It makes the case fall to pieces when their sister car beat the cars in question of gaining an unfair advantage, Hamilton was faster in Quali, so in that respect, Hamilton was the faster driver out of the 2 McLaren cars, on the day.
At the end of the Day, McLaren really don't have an case to appeal for. It makes the case fall to pieces when their sister car beat the cars in question of gaining an unfair advantage, Hamilton was faster in Quali, so in that respect, Hamilton was the faster driver out of the 2 McLaren cars, on the day.
Hamilton was faster 'the day before', not 'on the day'. Points don't mean money when McLaren are a virtual first in the championship anyway.
Why do they not have a case? Maybe Hamilton would have beaten them if they hadn't cheated? Just because one was ahead and one was behind (with odd circumstances a factor) doesn't mean there is no case.
Why do they not have a case? Maybe Hamilton would have beaten them if they hadn't cheated? Just because one was ahead and one was behind (with odd circumstances a factor) doesn't mean there is no case.
Well afaik Hamilton's race pace (when he wasn't having problems) was faster than Alonso's so, if 1 car was ahead, and wasn't nessacarily faster than the sister car, The case becomes somewhat difficult for McLaren, don't you think?
If Alonso was 7th or something (Hamilton would then be 6th), they would have more of a case I think, and that has nothing to do with the 'positions and points' just the fact, both McLaren car's would be behind the cars under scrutiny.
If Alonso was 7th or something (Hamilton would then be 6th), they would have more of a case I think, and that has nothing to do with the 'positions and points' just the fact, both McLaren car's would be behind the cars under scrutiny.
So if one of the top 4 cars has a bad day (by their standards), and drops, say, 20 seconds behind the other 3, then it's basically ok for anyone from any other team to do anything they want in order to finish ahead of that 4th top car, say 19 seconds behind the first 3?
That's not what has happened though is it? You seem to forget Nakajima, whether it was his first race or not. He was in 12th or something, maybe even lower than that. It is just random to be honest, someone has saw their arse because Hamilton didn't get the championship, and decided to pull Williams and BMW in about their fuel tempreatures (and it may well be true). It's just 2 Ironic that 3/4 of the cars are infront of Hamilton and the Championship... It just... It's too coincidental IMO.
Too many coincidences. Am I wrong, or McLaren during all this season has been using all the questionable tactics Ferrari has been renowned for, except that they were completely unsuccessful?
Well you have to Admit, the reason Ferrari can get away with it, is because they have a way... how can I put it so everyone understand... I think it is called 'arse licking' but I'm not sure
Not really:
Mcferrari: 218 points
Ferrari: 204 points
But as Mclaren used half of ferrari's car, this changes things:
Ferrari: 313 points
Mclaren (not ferrari anymore
): 109 points:P
It could be that they're the majority shareholder of the WMSC... that could explain quite a bit, including the missing Mc$100M
The principle is what I am talking about. Consider them all not as Ferrari, Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW, Red Bull etc, and ignore the championship standings and that it was the last race of the season.
Think of them as simply cars A, B, C, D, E, F, G etc. Cars D, L, S and V break the rules, finish in the points. If their fault is severe, they should be disqualified, and the way racing works is that if someone is disqualified, all the cars behind are promoted a position. There is no case for a "vacant" position simply because some other cars managed to beat them anyway- it's simple, break the rules, you are disqualified, you don't score points and you don't deny other cars any points either.
I'm merely arguing over the principle btw, I don't know the ins and outs of this particular incident, and as I said before I'm glad Kimi is the champ.
I wouldn't talk about arse licking... I'd just say that some people (not only Italians) are really smart asses. The way Ferrari reacted to every single episode of this year was focused on facts. When Ferrari got unjustly penalised for the tyre issue the FIA had to issue a statement that sounded like a way to avoid an apology, but Ferrari didn't make a fuss. They knew it wouldn't help. All they did was to act in the smartest possible way avoiding any kind of emotional response. They kept their cool in the worst moments and aimed for a result. This simply didn't happen in McLaren, who messed up things very badly. The official complaint is likely to put them under the spotlight again as the super villain.
I really don't understand how such a team could waste an enormous amount of sympathy just like McLaren did.
Of course, in competetive sports, you are always gonna get whiners, I only have liked Ferrari scince Kimi was there. And only supporter Michael Schumacher because Alonso annoyed me from the start of his career. So my particular faith lies within drivers not teams. Mika Häkkinen will always be my favourite driver of all time though but yea, Alberto I agree with you the fact that McLaren constantly try to get other people to agree with their point. Where as Ferrari just want justice (to them) whether the public agree or not.
I agree with what you wrote. In fact I'm quite astonished I found myself rooting for Ferrari this year since I've never felt any kind of sympathy for them until this season.
Did you take into account the points in Hungary being taken away?
Uh. No
Tristan, there are times when I read your posts and disagree strongly with them. This is not one of them. Well said sir, have a hearty pat on the back for saying what simply needs to be said.
You're joking, right? :o
Well that certainly explains the actions of Ferrari International Assistance...
I'm glad Kimi is champion, as Kev mentioned elsewhere, mainly because he isn't a goody two-shoes - he drinks a lot and swears on live tv for starters. Whereas Lewis is too busy thanking all his team and the sponsors at almost every opportunity. The domination of the Ferraris meant the race would've been quite boring were it not for Hamilton's antics. He n00bed it on the first lap trying not to let Alonso past, the gearbox electronic failure was very mysterious, and ultimately he just didn't have the pace to recover. His move on Barichello made for good tv, and Hamilton had to take risks (at the position he was in, he had nothing to lose); but was bad in terms of racing etiquette because it relied on Rubens getting his arse out of the way (or face being wrecked by a dive bomb), rather than Hamilton presenting himself in sufficient time for the corner. But then again, these guys aren't racing for fun like we do in LFS.
As I explained earlier, Ferrari hasn't been assisted so much this year... Unless you'd like to question the way Ferrari was developed using stolen data without losing a single racer point... Wait, wasn't that the other way round?
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