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I'll give this a try if there's still room.
Been driving the LX6 offline with tweak from time to time, quite enjoyable upto about 400 bhp.
Been driving the LX6 offline with tweak from time to time, quite enjoyable upto about 400 bhp.
Mm well, the "grey name" is a friend of mine, had been bugging him for over a year to come take a look at these LX evenings, so he did but won't do that again, calling you people some names on MSN afterward.
Thing is, these races have become hyper agressive alien-only. (Can tell by the fact I myself have become faster this year, but from finishing sub-top previous years by just being steady I'm now last every race still going steady, little less steady then I used to be because I have to push for everything I've got.)
Aliens (Troy is a pleasant exception) also tend not to be too well mannered on track. I myself just show up for some friendly clean racing so I'll be taking a break then, hopefully in a while there'll be some humanoids again.
I'm not fast by any means, but I don't understand what's the trouble of RAC. Doesn't seem that poisoness to me infact, I have more trouble with the mrt, bf1 without TC, etc. Just go smooth, brake early, get on the power early and keep it balanced. The turbo makes it more complicated as you need to get on the power earlier and so it will step out frequently, but so do the LX6, FZ5, F08 etc. so I'm not sure what makes the RAC any different there.
I get the impression that those who have trouble tend to go in too hot/fast so they have to lift, causing the huge RAC understeer. Don't drive so agressively, but plan your corners in advance, in slow, out fast.
Anyway, on the road (and likely on a track in RL) you'd likely drive much more carefully then you would in LFS, and driving the RAC in similair fashion in LFS even with the default setup is as hard as driving my sister's Daihatsu.
I get the impression that those who have trouble tend to go in too hot/fast so they have to lift, causing the huge RAC understeer. Don't drive so agressively, but plan your corners in advance, in slow, out fast.
Anyway, on the road (and likely on a track in RL) you'd likely drive much more carefully then you would in LFS, and driving the RAC in similair fashion in LFS even with the default setup is as hard as driving my sister's Daihatsu.
Like others, I use that, but only when I screwed up in the first place, not lap after lap. (In an LX6 anything that can happen does happen. yes, even a meteor striking the car is more likely in an LX6)
As a casual racer I have exactly one setup for each car, that I am most comfortable with and suits my drivingstyle, that I then go on to use on all tracks.
Unless you're an alien, only very minor tweaks are needed to have a setup you'll do good with from track to track. Being happy and familiar with a setup is more important.
In the case of roadcars, you'll only really need to change camber to keep tire temperatures in range. Some tracks and combinations are much harder on the tires then others. Everything else, gear ratio's, suspension, won't matter one bit if you're unhappy with a setup.
In the case of GTR's and formula cars it's slightly more complicated (luckily I never race those, although I will sometimes give a FO8 server a try if I happen to be so lucky to find one.) , because here downforce and slicks come into play. Two basic settings will work there too. (slow and tight, fast and open)
Again, unless you're an alien confidence and a setup you're familiar and happy with, along with practise will win you the time. It's only then tweaking your rollbar and righttoedamperwingletflipper to perfection will come into play for your laptimes. I'm not there yet.
Unless you're an alien, only very minor tweaks are needed to have a setup you'll do good with from track to track. Being happy and familiar with a setup is more important.
In the case of roadcars, you'll only really need to change camber to keep tire temperatures in range. Some tracks and combinations are much harder on the tires then others. Everything else, gear ratio's, suspension, won't matter one bit if you're unhappy with a setup.
In the case of GTR's and formula cars it's slightly more complicated (luckily I never race those, although I will sometimes give a FO8 server a try if I happen to be so lucky to find one.) , because here downforce and slicks come into play. Two basic settings will work there too. (slow and tight, fast and open)
Again, unless you're an alien confidence and a setup you're familiar and happy with, along with practise will win you the time. It's only then tweaking your rollbar and righttoedamperwingletflipper to perfection will come into play for your laptimes. I'm not there yet.
Great to see this returned!
Yesterday was some great racing, hard to beat firing those LX6's out of those slow first corners and getting away with it without laptimes suffering too much. Rest of the track is pretty insane as well with a bunch of folk very close by. (Eau Rouge..
hit or miss)
For the long race I had hoped to catch a few faster guys with super critical setups as they smoked their tires. Plan somewhat worked as I came up to one of them with tomato red tires his LX6 had started to ignore any link between direction of LX6 and direction of travel, (it all turns into soup, is the Dutch expression) so that the rest of the race turned into a lonely one. Still less then one and a half minute away from the aliens over a half hour race including a mishap is a nice result for me.
Yesterday was some great racing, hard to beat firing those LX6's out of those slow first corners and getting away with it without laptimes suffering too much. Rest of the track is pretty insane as well with a bunch of folk very close by. (Eau Rouge..
hit or miss) For the long race I had hoped to catch a few faster guys with super critical setups as they smoked their tires. Plan somewhat worked as I came up to one of them with tomato red tires his LX6 had started to ignore any link between direction of LX6 and direction of travel, (it all turns into soup, is the Dutch expression) so that the rest of the race turned into a lonely one. Still less then one and a half minute away from the aliens over a half hour race including a mishap is a nice result for me.
I'm 27, only slightly older then you then, and I was introduced to racinggames with GP1, GP2 (excellent! Still have that on my harddrive somewhere) and soon after indeed GPL.
It depends where your interests lie and at that time already I wanted realistic and tricky handling. Because a good racinggame needs to frighten me, so that I break out a sweat and focus. When I'm about to crash I need to have that I'm going to die feeling just before I remember it's a simulator. GPL does that, LFS does that. Atleast in the LX6.
At that time I also had NFS 1 , but although nice for half an hour (or less) to zoom through traffic in some supercar, does not let you die, just get arrested, not the same, although some people really hate to get arrested.
To me it was in the same category as fe. "Carmageddon", etc. (But Carmageddon was a lot better! Now that I think of it, I know how LFS can be improved! )
It depends where your interests lie and at that time already I wanted realistic and tricky handling. Because a good racinggame needs to frighten me, so that I break out a sweat and focus. When I'm about to crash I need to have that I'm going to die feeling just before I remember it's a simulator. GPL does that, LFS does that. Atleast in the LX6.
At that time I also had NFS 1 , but although nice for half an hour (or less) to zoom through traffic in some supercar, does not let you die, just get arrested, not the same, although some people really hate to get arrested.
To me it was in the same category as fe. "Carmageddon", etc. (But Carmageddon was a lot better! Now that I think of it, I know how LFS can be improved! )
To get faster with the XRG you need to be smooth. Keep corner speed high, keep your racinglines clean and use every meter the track has to offer. Taking the XFG instead is a pretty bad advice IMHO as it's totally different racing. (The XRG is rather nice as it teaches you lots about how to drive RWD cars and how to be smooth. Racing the XFG doesn't have much to do with being smooth..hurtle it in the corners with a bunch of understeer, etc. Doesn't teach you much if you're planning to race the LX's or RAC or F08 etc. later on.)
The XRG corners faster under power and so: In slow , Out fast , really applies for it. Brake nice and early and get back on the power soon as possible. Not nescesarily full if it's a long corner, but keep that weightbalance neutral to rear by feeding in the throttle and let those rear tires do the "work" instead of the front. Once you go smooth and get that power on early times will quickly drop.
The XRG corners faster under power and so: In slow , Out fast , really applies for it. Brake nice and early and get back on the power soon as possible. Not nescesarily full if it's a long corner, but keep that weightbalance neutral to rear by feeding in the throttle and let those rear tires do the "work" instead of the front. Once you go smooth and get that power on early times will quickly drop.
In real life you tend to look through the corner to where you want to go, and so in LFS I really like the option of turning the head/view with the steeringwheel.
It also gives me the feeling of sitting IN a car instead of BEING the car that you get when you solidly face forward like in most sims. It enhances the feel of realism, atleast for me. (can take a few minutes of getting used to, though)
It also gives me the feeling of sitting IN a car instead of BEING the car that you get when you solidly face forward like in most sims. It enhances the feel of realism, atleast for me. (can take a few minutes of getting used to, though)
It's sad to go browse the LFS forum, and think how nice it would of been had the mouse been a titty, linking LFS with titties in my mind.
Mm, I much rather see kids drifting learning loads about car control and dynamics which they'll use the rest of their motoring lives, then people racing XFG's and FXO's forever not learning anything.
These d0riftz0rtzz!2! might end up safe drivers as they get into racing later, get on a motorbike in real life, get in a skid in real life, etc.
The nice thing about a simulator like LFS is that you can practise and learn about driving and car dynamics under the most extreme of conditions without risking car or life.
These d0riftz0rtzz!2! might end up safe drivers as they get into racing later, get on a motorbike in real life, get in a skid in real life, etc.
The nice thing about a simulator like LFS is that you can practise and learn about driving and car dynamics under the most extreme of conditions without risking car or life.
Thanks for tonight's event.
[whining]
Noticing though, that the wednesday's Volvolandia events are becomming ever more agressive and unsportive.
People come on the server, ask Troy or Lococost for their setup, they go fast for about 1.1 lap and act like a prick.
There's also slow people on the track, me! , racing with my own made setup which lets me go round sort-of normally instead of understeer-slinging myself into every corner like some "fast" people are. (hope they're telling themselves they enjoy racing their LX's that way.) Trying to keep my wheels in the same place relative to the car where they started. (taking the chicane at the speed some are you'd hit your head sideways against your ehh..knees and your going to have the monster of all hangovers the next day once you unbend your neck.)
In doing so they find it nescesary to hit me in the back about 100 times today since their setup doesn't require braking and they can't manage to get round me normally in the span of one corner.
I'm sure it's nice to be fast, but that stinks.
[/end whining]
[whining]
Noticing though, that the wednesday's Volvolandia events are becomming ever more agressive and unsportive.
People come on the server, ask Troy or Lococost for their setup, they go fast for about 1.1 lap and act like a prick.
There's also slow people on the track, me!
, racing with my own made setup which lets me go round sort-of normally instead of understeer-slinging myself into every corner like some "fast" people are. (hope they're telling themselves they enjoy racing their LX's that way.) Trying to keep my wheels in the same place relative to the car where they started. (taking the chicane at the speed some are you'd hit your head sideways against your ehh..knees and your going to have the monster of all hangovers the next day once you unbend your neck.) In doing so they find it nescesary to hit me in the back about 100 times today since their setup doesn't require braking and they can't manage to get round me normally in the span of one corner.
I'm sure it's nice to be fast, but that stinks.
[/end whining]
+1 original poster
[cynicism] :sleep1:
Bah, it's just how people are these days, never be content, always want something else then they have, keeping themselves busy that way so they don't have to think, instead worry about what mobile phone, car, holiday, girlfriend, etc. to get next.
If the LFS developers were to double the content tomorrow, people will be tired of that in three weeks, too.
[/end cynicism] :Kick_Can_
Imho LFS has boatloads of content, more then any racesim I've ever owned. A VERY wide range of cars, and well thought out tracks which have a bit of everything in them.
Also, casual racing is good for you. Having other interests/hobbies/books/music/etc. besides LFS instead of spending every free moment in your life on it will keep some balance in your life and makes that getting bored of LFS will be just about impossible. That, or simracing just isn't for you.
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[cynicism] :sleep1:
Bah, it's just how people are these days, never be content, always want something else then they have, keeping themselves busy that way so they don't have to think, instead worry about what mobile phone, car, holiday, girlfriend, etc. to get next.
If the LFS developers were to double the content tomorrow, people will be tired of that in three weeks, too.
[/end cynicism] :Kick_Can_
Imho LFS has boatloads of content, more then any racesim I've ever owned. A VERY wide range of cars, and well thought out tracks which have a bit of everything in them.
Also, casual racing is good for you. Having other interests/hobbies/books/music/etc. besides LFS instead of spending every free moment in your life on it will keep some balance in your life and makes that getting bored of LFS will be just about impossible. That, or simracing just isn't for you.
:nol2:LFS license: Wasknijper
Online screen name: Wasknijper
Do you accept the rules: Yes
If there aren't going to be any yet and there's really a demand for RAC's or FZ's on the track I don't mind taking one of these instead, just this once. Just tell me so.
Online screen name: Wasknijper
Do you accept the rules: Yes
If there aren't going to be any yet and there's really a demand for RAC's or FZ's on the track I don't mind taking one of these instead, just this once. Just tell me so.
Not so sure, with high speed the turningcircle becomes really big so required angle of "steering" becomes very small. Really sticky (slick) tires combined with high speeds don't require many degrees of steering or you're breaking traction, for example drive a motorcycle at high speed and see how little you'll be "steering", a car is similair. (except that you can't really fall off so you can actually get away with more "steering" all the time, eg. understeer.)
Or with less traction, rear wheel drive and power to equal or overcome traction you just need to get the car rotating around it's vertical axis (maybe those few degrees of steering or a bit more to get it turning) then your wheel will be mostly straight again and your right foot will do the rest to power through the turn if you get it right. (In an in slow, out fast kind of way.)
Also may I suggest you go race the LX6, RAC, etc. and you'll be using every last degree of rotation your steeringwheel has to offer a lot of the time. Even the fast guys need full lock from time to time in their LX6's, and that's why it's the best. :guitarist
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- No nonsense (but the humour) attitude! One of the best things about LFS.
- Made with a passion for racing.
- Rock solid programming. The most bug free stable piece of software I ever bought.
- Excellent graphics. I find it very realistic and immersive. (I for one would not like to see all the "modern" way overdone graphics many seem to want.)
- Physics, feel and overal (amazing) racingexperience it offers.
- Majority of the community is very friendly, show mature racing and are very fast.
- Quality of cars and tracks is very high.
- High value for money. Actually the value for money is so high it saves me money because of the next point.
- The evil AI's that try to kill me make that I dont need to buy any other type of computergames involving extreme agression because I won't rest till I have all AI's on their roof. :arge::hbomb: In cars half the size they started with, twitching their wheels from left to right in sheer panic as they work out what happened, revving their engines as if they were to not believe the horizon really inversed on them, their heads burried half in the grass, my car waiting patiently in 1st gear in the distance, :hyper: then when the AI's start to keep themselves quiet, I start to calm and start to regain awareness of what I'm doing, I press shift-R :tired: again
- Made with a passion for racing.
- Rock solid programming. The most bug free stable piece of software I ever bought.
- Excellent graphics. I find it very realistic and immersive. (I for one would not like to see all the "modern" way overdone graphics many seem to want.)
- Physics, feel and overal (amazing) racingexperience it offers.
- Majority of the community is very friendly, show mature racing and are very fast.
- Quality of cars and tracks is very high.
- High value for money. Actually the value for money is so high it saves me money because of the next point.
- The evil AI's that try to kill me make that I dont need to buy any other type of computergames involving extreme agression because I won't rest till I have all AI's on their roof. :arge::hbomb: In cars half the size they started with, twitching their wheels from left to right in sheer panic as they work out what happened, revving their engines as if they were to not believe the horizon really inversed on them, their heads burried half in the grass, my car waiting patiently in 1st gear in the distance, :hyper: then when the AI's start to keep themselves quiet, I start to calm and start to regain awareness of what I'm doing, I press shift-R :tired: again
From what I've learned, (I'm 27, done (mostly sim)racing since early teens, and always been interested in the technical aspects of racing and racecraft.) a good way of getting a right frame of mind almost every time for me, is to go particularly SLOW when exiting pits and on your outlap in qualify ( = take it easy, let others go by, heat your tires a bit, stick it in 6th gear and enjoy the scenery) or first lap(s) of racing.
This helps make it more real (it's good to pretend it's real, this will also encourage you not to spin and die) for you, and when going slow first gives you good appreciation and feel for the actual speed of the car when you do pick up the pace comming laps and how fast you're actually going.
Go SLOWER then you think you can, brake earlier and longer, pick up the power earlier (and gently) and get your lines right under power and go SMOOTH. Take it nice and easy, within 5 laps you're probably going faster this way then you would be when you're pushing hard. (This is the biggest thing I learned about racing, now racing is almost effortless for me and I'm going much faster and consistent then in my teens where I would push with bloodshot eyes and tunnelvision.)
This helps make it more real (it's good to pretend it's real, this will also encourage you not to spin and die) for you, and when going slow first gives you good appreciation and feel for the actual speed of the car when you do pick up the pace comming laps and how fast you're actually going.
Go SLOWER then you think you can, brake earlier and longer, pick up the power earlier (and gently) and get your lines right under power and go SMOOTH. Take it nice and easy, within 5 laps you're probably going faster this way then you would be when you're pushing hard. (This is the biggest thing I learned about racing, now racing is almost effortless for me and I'm going much faster and consistent then in my teens where I would push with bloodshot eyes and tunnelvision.)
Sounds like fun, going to try to make it, for some reason things came up recent times it was time for the LX6 (hospital things, sucky health) as opposed to the LX4, which I don't like nearly as much as the LX6. (although racing is always good fun on Volvolandia, but why would one calmly go round in the LX4 when one can screech around in constant complete panic in the LX6.)
So, going to prevent something comming up, it's now monday, goes disconnect phone, locks all doors windows, closes windowblinders, puts on headphones with loud metalmusic, actually cleans house a little to clear the path from computer to bathroom and back, can of soup, pizza, coffee, potatochips, and puts on pretty woman as wallpaper on computer. Oh and a pair of clean socks. (Doesn't have anything to do with the wallpaper)
Check.
So, going to prevent something comming up, it's now monday, goes disconnect phone, locks all doors windows, closes windowblinders, puts on headphones with loud metalmusic, actually cleans house a little to clear the path from computer to bathroom and back, can of soup, pizza, coffee, potatochips, and puts on pretty woman as wallpaper on computer. Oh and a pair of clean socks. (Doesn't have anything to do with the wallpaper)
Check.
Thanks for tonight's event and the good racing !
Here's the replay of race 3 (i think it worked)
Here's the replay of race 3 (i think it worked)
Thanks for lastnight's event and some good racing
Heh those stats are great.
Heh those stats are great.
Good news, I'll be there!
Great track as well, long fast sweepers = 6th gear oversteer madness. :woohoo:
Great track as well, long fast sweepers = 6th gear oversteer madness. :woohoo:
I'm a joystick driver as well. (I use sequential, autoclutch, have clutch bind to a joystickbutton)
Can't say i find no more downshiftblips a problem, although slightly awkward the first 3 minutes, i'm now completely used to it. You can downshift a little later then you used to, at lower RPM so there's less inertia messing up your car under braking. (not only throttleblips are gone, but also engines have gotten more inertia, which feels very good to me)
Maybe you'll even start to use it to your advantage, for example a well planned downshift will put the backside round slightly more at turn in which will help with some cars, etc. Also slightly underrevving wheels (after an agressive downshift with no blip) still give good brakeforce, it's just a matter of feel and use it to your advantage. (it seems my braking is as good or even better then before)
Also when not on the brakes you'll still manage to sneak in a throttleblip here and there at places. Not having them done for me just adds to the feel of realism and changes my way of shifting, which is good. When i'll finally buy a wheel my shifting will probably change again.
I think in a day or two you won't even notice the lack of blips anymore.
(Furious downshift madness shouldn't be much of a problem anyway if you're used to GPL with a joystick. I've been playing GPL since 1998 when it came out, a huge fan, but in LFS (that i discovered a couple of months ago) i finally found a worthy replacement/follow up to give me a realistic immersive racing experience. GPL's automatic throttleblips weren't always the most accurate either.
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Can't say i find no more downshiftblips a problem, although slightly awkward the first 3 minutes, i'm now completely used to it. You can downshift a little later then you used to, at lower RPM so there's less inertia messing up your car under braking. (not only throttleblips are gone, but also engines have gotten more inertia, which feels very good to me)
Maybe you'll even start to use it to your advantage, for example a well planned downshift will put the backside round slightly more at turn in which will help with some cars, etc. Also slightly underrevving wheels (after an agressive downshift with no blip) still give good brakeforce, it's just a matter of feel and use it to your advantage. (it seems my braking is as good or even better then before)
Also when not on the brakes you'll still manage to sneak in a throttleblip here and there at places. Not having them done for me just adds to the feel of realism and changes my way of shifting, which is good. When i'll finally buy a wheel my shifting will probably change again.
I think in a day or two you won't even notice the lack of blips anymore.
(Furious downshift madness shouldn't be much of a problem anyway if you're used to GPL with a joystick. I've been playing GPL since 1998 when it came out, a huge fan, but in LFS (that i discovered a couple of months ago) i finally found a worthy replacement/follow up to give me a realistic immersive racing experience. GPL's automatic throttleblips weren't always the most accurate either.
)+1 !
The new patch is very VERY good, LFS now is nothing short of amazing. :eclipsee_
The new patch is very VERY good, LFS now is nothing short of amazing. :eclipsee_
New version feels great to me , no blip/cut, new redlines and limiters feel great and enhance racing imho (tend to go to a higher gear in a cornercombination where it will be hard to shift because it's now harder to shift while cornering and there are now no overrev's available) , and..tires feel different, better, if i'm not mistaking difference between grip and spinning/skidding has become bigger. (as a result starts might be different too but i'm not sure yet, i never did fullthrottle/toprevs off the line starts in any car anyway because it seemed stupid, but i hope it might be faster now to spin less)
I'm really happy about the AI, gave a few tries and they're doing good and make propper fun so now i can drive whichever car, setup and trackcombination whenever i want and have good racing.
(won't see me online much anymore :sorry: )
Also sounds have improved i think, adding to the experience, some engines seem to sound slightly more mean. And the screen moving and vibrating more on bumps (curbstones now make you dizzy) is also effective..i found myself bobbing my head behind the computer countering a nasty bump i drove through just now.
I think it's really awesome. Ooh look at all that time i'm wasting here, see ya
, no blip/cut, new redlines and limiters feel great and enhance racing imho (tend to go to a higher gear in a cornercombination where it will be hard to shift because it's now harder to shift while cornering and there are now no overrev's available) , and..tires feel different, better, if i'm not mistaking difference between grip and spinning/skidding has become bigger. (as a result starts might be different too but i'm not sure yet, i never did fullthrottle/toprevs off the line starts in any car anyway because it seemed stupid, but i hope it might be faster now to spin less) I'm really happy about the AI, gave a few tries and they're doing good and make propper fun so now i can drive whichever car, setup and trackcombination whenever i want and have good racing.
(won't see me online much anymore :sorry: ) Also sounds have improved i think, adding to the experience, some engines seem to sound slightly more mean. And the screen moving and vibrating more on bumps (curbstones now make you dizzy) is also effective..i found myself bobbing my head behind the computer countering a nasty bump i drove through just now.
I think it's really awesome. Ooh look at all that time i'm wasting here, see ya
I'd say you have to be relaxed, not drive with bloodshot eyes and bare teeth showing. :scared:
You can give it all you got hotlapping, but when racing your goal is to finish over multiple laps, that means braking for example a meter/couple feet earlier then you think is latest, be slightly more gentle on the throttle, keep slightly more margin from running off, etc. so you always have a small margin for correction and not spin out. Racing you shouldn't drive on 100% of your abilities all the time, more like racing on 90%.
But once you do that, you'll probably be surprised how your laptimes will still get really low (you'll probably start to drive precise lines that way, and end up being just as fast as in hyper agressive mode) and how consistent you'll be.
Just enjoy and don't get too worked up or worried about the result, less pressure probably means better driving.
You can give it all you got hotlapping, but when racing your goal is to finish over multiple laps, that means braking for example a meter/couple feet earlier then you think is latest, be slightly more gentle on the throttle, keep slightly more margin from running off, etc. so you always have a small margin for correction and not spin out. Racing you shouldn't drive on 100% of your abilities all the time, more like racing on 90%.
But once you do that, you'll probably be surprised how your laptimes will still get really low (you'll probably start to drive precise lines that way, and end up being just as fast as in hyper agressive mode) and how consistent you'll be.
Just enjoy and don't get too worked up or worried about the result, less pressure probably means better driving.
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