After reading this pointless back and forth argument... Why is it to me, that JeffR appears to have something viciously jammed up his rump? Yes, you maker valid points, but why? You aren't getting anything done, and not convincing anyone. Finally you got my attention to speak, but I think whatever the Scavier team decides is best I go with it. It's good how it is, I don't look at :lfs: and compare it to real life when I'm racing, or to Rfactor! Yes, I believe it is a simulator. It is very convincing to me that the cars act pretty close to what they would or should in real life. Granted, I'll probably never drive a BMW F1 car, or a Caterham, but I'm convinced thats how it would be, so I'm happy. Why can't people be happy around here for what we got? That's the issue, parts of the community are tight asses, when really they just need to get out there and provide good clean racing and stop complaining about how it should or could be!