Quote from SparkyDave :

Race2Play is not free, and I think that puts many off.

Oh but it is. No one force you to pay anything. Those who chose to upgrade to a pay account do it because they think it's worth it, but they sure don't have to.
And yes, I think Race2Play is as close as you can come to a virtual version of FiA, except Race2Play works out properly, while FiA doesn't.

Quote from Whitmore :

LOL - do you not know the racing history of Porto and Pau?

Of course I do. I also know the history of Monaco and Surfers Paradise and the likes. I'm not saying Street Circuits are without history, I'm saying that enough is enough, time to use some proper road courses for what they where intended for, namely good racing

I got two. The Lister Storm and the Saleen Mustang S351. Both of them should have the GT style rear wing mounted. Those cars makes me shiver every time, and very few later days cars do that to me. They don't make 'em like they used to I guess.

Quote from Vain :

I really dislike street courses. I want to see touring cars at Spa, Hockenheim, Dijon, Nürburgring, etc.

I agree, to a point. Street circuits are ok, but they are more and more becoming dominant, which is a shame when we have tracks with so much history to race on. But... I guess that if people wont come to the races, the races will have to come to the people...

Never miss a race, even if I do have to wait for the bits and torrents to be released

Quote from PaulC2K :

Your wrong, and being a condesending prick too.

Wow... So we have come to some serious name calling and stopped just attacking what is posted, but rather starting to attack the person behind the post. Now that is mature, and you even spelled it wrong, I think. I was just about to go put you on my ignore list, just in case, but I got this fed to me when I tried.

Quote :

Sorry PaulC2K is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

I don't know what you admin around here, but it feels like you should try and keep a better language if you in any way represent staff on this forum. I'm out of here, as it's clear I'm waisting my time.

Paul, you're so defensive/aggressive about this, that I'm beginning to think that you fear that R2P will at one point or another draw attention away from that league you have linked in your signature. Am I right in assuming that you think that particular league is doing a better job than R2P ever will?
You asked again and again why I think R2P on is great and I've answered many times in previous posts, but you act like you don't read them. In fact, you act like you hold a personal grudge against me, which I find strange. Well, one last time. Here are a few (just a few) of the things that makes R2P a better place than most.

• Officially santioned by NASA. That means taking the first step from being a geeky hobby, to becoming a proper sport (as I've stated in previous posts). That is a very good thing.
  
• Live web TV broadcasts of selected races. I know others do this as well, but this is broadcasted from the biggest league site there is. That is a very good thing.
  
• R2P is very often written about in one particular magazine, namely AutoSimSport. The news about LFS making it to R2P is good news and will be covered by that magazine and most probably on other news related sites as well. That is a very good thing.
  
• All the races, regardless of class or type, is marshaled in real time to ensure good clean racing for everyone. In my experience (and trust me, I'm no newbie to this, and I've seen my fair share of admins, good and bad, over the years), the admins at R2P are top notch and takes their job seriously. That is a very good thing.
  
• Every result, every record, every lap of every race of every series is stored and can be looked up at any time. Think of it as an automated log of all that has passed. It's kept and it's organized and you don't have to worry about it, it just happens. That is a very good thing.
  
• Trough R2P, LFS is getting extra attention, for free. It suddenly has a chance to attract new people but just being visible at one more, very high profile place on the inter tube. That is a very good thing.
  
• Everything is linked together in a way that I think should appeal to the average LFS:er (you know how the forum and LFS World and the Sim itself is joined together as one big entity). Your race results, your pre and post races notes, your blog and your average forum posts etc, all work together, seamlessly. Everything is right there, only one or two clicks away, and you could actually run an entire team and career from R2P. That is a very good thing.
  

Now, you ask for money to be won, without having to pay an entry fee, just like in the world of FiA. Well guess again. Entry fees are a reality and I have yet to hear about a real world event where you can just show up in a car and win money without opening the wallet first. If you think that's how stuff are run under the FiA flag, then guess again. Every real world race, be it organized by FiA, SCCA, NASA or NASCAR, requires an entry fee to be payed, and the money you win (if you win) usually doesn't cover much of the racing budget. That's why there's a constant hunt for sponsors to pick up the bill.

You refer to anyone who actually likes the idea of LFS at R2P as "trolls", which comes trough as hostile to say the least. You claim that people "whine" when you are the one whining like a toddler who just lost is comfort blanket. I would take a deep breath and go at this in another fashion, cause right now you come across as an immature kid who is afraid to let in anything new, and that's annoying and then some.

Quote from PaulC2K :

but doesnt give the LFS community nothing new at all.

Nothing new? Ok so how about this one? Race2Play is sanctioned by a real world body, NASA (National Auto Sport Association). Is there any other league that that does this for LFS (or for any Sim)? I don't think so. Race2Play offers support for just about all the Sims on the market, side by side. Is there any other place that does this? Nope, not really. Race2Play offers all kinds of racing using those Sims. Touring Car, Sports Car, Open Wheel, Stock Car and Off Road. Is there any other site that does this with any real success? Perhaps a few, but not to the extent that we see here.

Don't you get it. Race2Play is the biggest organizer of Sim Racing in the world, and having LFS support at that place will most probably prove to be a good thing, hence you should embrace it rather than piss on it and say "We've had this for years". You haven't, simple as that. What you have had is leagues with varying levels of professionalism (no I'm not saying all previous leagues have been bad in any way), but you have never seen this kind of determination to make Sim Racing a real sport.

And again... If it's about the money, why not consider creating a free account and become a guest member? It's really your choice. I chose to pay up, you may chose not to, simple as that, and service remains the same. But don't bitch and moan about it when you're last on the entry list and you find that one hour before race start, a paying member knocks you off the list and all your practice is for nothing.

Fine, you stay away, I couldn't care less. All the exhibition events are already full to the brim and the series 12 events are starting to attract attention from R2P regulars, which means there will be plenty of action to go around without you being there. In fact, I think R2P will be better of without you.

I am willing to pay for a great service, simple as that. The fact that the rules and rankings system are based on a real world counterpart gives me great pleasure and it feels like it takes Sim racing one step closer to being an actual sport, rather than a geeky hobby. The rest of the features on R2P are just a bonus.

Yes, I do think it is fantastic news, and for some good reason too. First of all, it means LFS gets (yet) another platform where it can grow and attract attention. Second of all, it happens in a place where clean and fair racing are two major cornerstones. Every race is monitored in real time by server admins and marshals and that is a rare thing if you ask me. I've been in my fair share of leagues over the years and I've also run a few of my own, for various Sims, and I know that clean racing is hard to come by. Race2Play has this and much more.

LFS will be raced side by side with all the other Sims (iRacing excluded of course) on equal terms and with equal support, and I have a hard time seeing how this could be a bad thing. It might even be so that someone who have never even given LFS a moments thought before, suddenly takes a moment and try out the demo and end up with a license. Fact is that Race2Play is one of few communities I've been to that is not entirely made up by die hard fanboys. I see people go from ARCA to RBR to GTR Evo to rFactor etc. all the time. In my not so humble opinion, that is a rare treat.

I think it's sad that some of you seems to think it's bad to have LFS on R2P. It's even more sad that some community members almost come trough as hostile in the matter, and I wonder what's wrong with some of you people. Why so negative? Why so hostile? Why on earth so defensive as soon as something new comes by?

Quote from ruckus37 :

I did in no way incline that this was the general view of LFS or Rfactor

Yes you did, just look at the your previous post. Frankly the entire "my sim is better than yours" is getting sad and old and outdated. Everything has been said in that debate and nothing new will come of it, which makes bumping this old thread a very useless and childish act.

Quote from ruckus37 :

LFS worked out of the box, I still need to do allot of work on Rfactor to get it to perform as a whish.

Nothing works out of the box. You still have to assign controller axis and buttons and stuff. I had to do it in rFactor, I had to do it in LFS and I had to do it in GTR Evo, Race 07, STCC The Game and Turismo Carretera. I will have to do it in the next title that gets released as well, and I will not complain about it.

Somthing similar to a Daytona Prototype would be nice.

If my memory serves me right, Seat won it all on Curitiba last year as well. That track has been considered bad for BMW since they started using it, but I can't remember why.
Chevrolet has a brand new car, of course they are not competitive yet. Lada is on their first year as a factory team, of course they are not competitive yet.
If Seat still wins everything in the third round this year, then I will agree that they got an unfair advantage over the others, but until then...

Quote from SamH :

Defensive much? Mebbe!

Perhaps a tad, but that's ok Point taken and I will not throw stuff around just to make a point Sorry about that!

Thanks SamH. Yes, you're right, I could have frased that one better. You still have to own the sim yo intend to race

One fee, one site, same service for all sims included, and you still do not have to pay for a single thing if you do not want to (but you got to own the sim you intend to race). The only risk you take is to being bumped off the list of signed up drivers.

Last edited by X-Ter, Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:50.

This is going to sound like I'm on the payroll at R2P or something, but I'm not. That out of the way, I'd like to say that there is no need to pay for anything on R2P. You can join the community and race there for free. The most important thing (as I see it) is the sign up feature. Paying members will always have dibs on the slots available, come race day. If the series has room for 20 drivers, and all those slots are taken in advance by non paying members, a paying member will push one of the non paying members off the list, simple as that.

The rest of the features, like teams and more detailed stats are perhaps not as important, and lets face it, we all have our setups saved on the harddrive and so on, and screenshots are mostly posted on the teams own site etc. But still, the price to be a supporting member is as low as $8 per month, and if you ask me, it's a small fee for such an extensive service. I race not only LFS, but also rFactor, GTR Evolution, STCC - The Game and Race 07, and I will very soon be the proud owner of Turismo Carretera. Race2Play offers fast and reliable servers for all these Sims. They offer online stewards that is there, online, in real time to overlook the event and maintain a VERY high standard of racing. That means no more first turn mayhem like on (some of) the CTRA servers and all of the public servers. And all the stats, results and rankings are saved, updated kept forever, in real time. That's got to be worth something.

iRacing is crap in comparison. iRacing charge a monthly fee as well as for add on material like tracks and cars. If you're involved and successful in iRacing, you will by now have payed enough money to equal several years of a R2P membership, just to cover the cost of add on tracks and cars and not even counting the monthly fee for the series itself. Just not worth it. And... Given the history about how iRacing treats members if the sim racing community http://forum.tmcarthur.net/viewtopic.php?t=52 I wouldn't install that sim out of pure principal reasons, regardless of cost. But that's just me.

Quote from mcintyrej :

The fact they only use the demo cars? Which leaves a pretty boring league in the same old same old cars.

I was hoping for some better racing in things like RAC, LX6, RB4, FO8.

The demo cars are only for getting the system up to speed. Two series are planned, one for the TBO class cars and one for the GTR class cars, starting in April. The exhibition events does not count towards rankings or stats, but series do.

Jakg, I don't know what you're problem is, and it's not my business to stick my nose in it, so I wont. But Race2Play offers good, clean racing, monitored in real time by admins, on very stable servers. Stats are kept, rankings and scoring are properly done and the site is stable. There's nothing to complain about, what so ever. Most series, regardless of sim, is free to participate in and doesn't cost you a dime. What is there to complain about?

Finally, it's official and posted on the main page of Race2Play! Official support for Live for Speed is a fact. Take a look at this link for more info:
http://www.race2play.com/forum/list_posts/10653

Great news huh?

There's the Silverstone Classic coming up on 24-26 July. I know Jan "Flash" Nilsson from Sweden aim to be there in the Volvo S40 he raced from 1998 to 2002.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Just let the Devs do what they want. If you keep on whining all the time, the next test patch won't come earlier...

And if we do the opposite and play nice, those Devs might just feel we deserve a surprise one of these days. Catch more flies with honey so to speak

Close indeed. I've always thought that there are similarities with the Porsche 944 ( http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:04190003.JPG ) but the above car is even closer...

Can't believe no one has posted these (yet).

1997 Saleen Mustang S351 (LeMans 24 hours)
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... e_Mans-1997-06-15-066.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... e_Mans-1997-06-15-067.jpg

2003 Lister Storm (Spa 24 hours)
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... 03/Spa-2003-07-27-014.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... 03/Spa-2003-07-27-015.jpg

2004 Chrysler Viper GTS-R (Spa 24 hours)
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... 04/Spa-2004-08-01-009.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.co ... 04/Spa-2004-08-01-010.jpg