If the Alt Gr key is conveniently pressing both Ctrl and Alt for the user it is the way LFS works. It checks if Ctrl is down, if so it does those special lines of code. If not it proceeds to check if Alt is down... Since the Alt Gr key is simulating presses for both Ctrl and Alt it will run the Ctrl code.

I repeat a question from above; do you not have a normal Alt key on the keyboard?

Quote from Asphalt Scream :

anyway those for me are stupid games to attract masses and it fills me with rage to see Valve struggling with Zyngar to win.

The whole point of Farmville and games like it is for the social market, spread like a disease. And likely more people have player Farmville than have played the Halflife Series because of the type of market. Does this make the game company better? Who knows, because the quality of the game is an opinion that can change from person to person. But- more casual players, moms, dads, grandparents etc that wouldn't touch 'games' are addicted to things like Farmville. I'm not voting as I don't think it is possible to be the 'best game company' and I'm certainly not sure I believe Valve, Blizzard or Zynga deserve that title...

But because I am curious, what qualities do you guys think are required for a game company to be 'the best'?

Oh, I never saw the screen caps in the first place : / As I would have had to click on them, and convert the .th so I could see the real thing . . . etc - so I would watch the video at the top and then download if I liked- dunno about others.

Enjoying a lot of these layouts, which is kinda odd from me since for the most part I haven't liked a lot of Autocross layouts that have been made. Maybe it's the attention you've paid while making it?

Anyways one suggestion to make things easier for people, probably making things too hard on you though, instead of a link to the post containing the download - add another link next to (video) that is (download) on the first post.

Quote from Dac :

I didn't say he owed us anything! What is getting my gripe here is that he knows and everybody else knows he hasn't been doing jack **** otherwise we'd have it, all we get is some politicians long winded ambiguous answers. He can't just come out with the truth and say 'yeah, we've haven't been doing it for such and such a reason'. He'd rather make us believe something is still happening and always has been rather than give us the reality of the situation.

There's no need for personal insults here anybody who does resort to such shouldn't be listened to.

I do now know that Scawen has been doing "jack ****" as you put it. I can't say that he has been as busy as he once was, nor as busy as he hoped / planned. He did tell us he hasn't been doing things at the rate he once had, and he said a lot of the things he is doing takes time and thought. I believe this, and know from my own experiences that you can't just say: "finishNewTirePhysics()" and voila it is all done - especially when you are trying to make it fit with already existing cars. Even if your theory is correct and he/they are doing "jack ****" how would him saying that "jack ****" has happened help anymore than him saying development has been slow and give some reasons (some which are legit in my opinion), even if you feel they aren't good enough? What does that solve? Nothing. So as others have said, play something else - or at the very least lets stop the whining, please.

The patch will be out when it comes out. When it does I'll be sure to give it a try. Until then, I will play LFS on the rare occasion and go about my life normally.

You-Tubes

However I am looking for a particular camera shot of that race from the second half. Maybe I just missed it, but while watching the Speed channel's broadcast of the second race, in the later half they had a shot where the camera was under the chassis aiming at the left front tire, which I would like to have in as high-quality as I can available to watch over and over again . . (For my own reasons - but it was a great shot IMO). Can anyone find that on the WWW? I've had no luck yet.

Quote from pipa :

If so, just change the ports.

Already tried that, still no results. As suggested I should call them, maybe next week when the ISP fails for whatever reason. In the 5 months we've had this service we've made over 30 calls. And customer support, well it is a joke to call it support.

portforward.com

And I am going to disagree with the part where it is not difficult, I've done quite a bit of network programming with TCP and UDP protocols, and know some, though not everything about how things work. However, I can _not_ get my connection to forward my port properly, and I've put in plenty of effort trying. I believe it may be ISP related, though I can't prove that.

I don't see how it would have changed on the LFS side of things, the port forwarding would always have been necessary unless the group was on a LAN. I do believe, though I am completely willing, (and wanting), to be corrected: that using a router behind your modem is what causes you to need port forwarding; so that the router knows which computer to send the incoming packets to. It is not hard to follow the directions to enable port forwarding, but I have yet to get them to work for me.

Quote from ball bearing turbo :

i know, i'm just jealous because you do the real deal

+1

I know this is not a forum full of artists, but I know there are a handful here. I am looking for some help on a project I am working on, it is not LFS related, nor is it related to my AIRS project. It is racing related though and you will be able to test a new project before it gets main stream, as well as know you've helped work on it.

I have a couple _vastly_ different styles in mind, so it will need to be discussed in further detail later. The project is in the prototyping stage, and I have a good feeling about it. I've been developing for about 3 weeks, and the project is staying on the quiet side until I know it will be developed to it's full potential; which even in the stage it is at now it is starting to shine.

I need someone who can fit the follow:
- Creating 2D textures for
- Interface, Heads-up Display and Menus
- Track surfaces, and cars from an overhead perspective (for prototyping purposes)
- Desire, Motivation and Dedication to the project.
- Passion for racing, which if you are here that can almost be assumed...

If the project get's where I am picturing it then someone with 3D modeling and texturing experience will be useful.

For any other details PM me, leave questions here, or e-mail me: MyUserName @ yahoo

Thanks.

Is the layout available anywhere, looks fun - though I don't get why it is called 'hill climb'. Sure it resembles a tight track, but there isn't a hill . . .

I think you missed this, or misread it:

The idea with retrieving the traction levels of each tire give the AI to know how close they are to the limit _without_ knowing the actual dynamics.

This means I don't want the AI to know about the tire heat or anything like that. Only to get input, sensations etc about the traction of the tires. Which is why I need to go the route of creating my own small racing application. It won't be completely simulation but I will try to incorporate as much as I can. At the minimum I need some, basic, traction/friction model for the tires. It may not include deformations, heat, dirt, tire wear etc... But enough that the tires can break traction and slide around.

I don't know though, I am having some serious issues with motivation on all my projects at the moment. I haven't really coded much for a long while, and it is annoying to me. It isn't the lack of desire either, just something else. Consider it something like writers block - hope that changes soon.

I would like to point out that changing the AI Skill Level changes the skill level of AI cars that you add _after_ changing that effect. At least, I believe I am remembering that correctly; I will go try it. But I remember being able to add multiple AI drivers with different skill levels by doing what I described.

EDIT: Seems I am wrong, and the AI Skill Level applies to all AI, previously added or not.

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I kinda see where you are aiming to go, and that might plausibly work - but like you said it would ignore tire temp - and any other dynamic changes; wind, drafting/downforce -etc.

The idea with retrieving the traction levels of each tire give the AI to know how close they are to the limit _without_ knowing the actual dynamics. Although some dynamics, at least the general rules, will need to be added to to the AI as general knowledge, but not needed to know values at all. Like we all know that getting behind another car, slip streaming, is a useful tactic - and we know why it works, as a general rule.

Quote from lizardfolk :

Heck...I've even met someone who stated that "racing is as important as Hannah Montana". (And yes he was an fundamentalist environmentalist and he was trying to be funny). I'm NOT making that up. Pissed the hell out of me. I mean nvm the large amounts of technology that was pushed and developed from motorsports :rolleyes: Common sense missing in that statement? Yeah...does that belief make him stupid? Not necessarily.

I don't know how this topic derailed from G-Forces to this but I would have seen the derailment from G-Forces to the G-Spot or something else silly...

That said, there is nothing common sense about that statement, he is making an opinion, or a completely absurd statement that is meaningless; Hannah Montana and Racing have less to do than Apples and Oranges (which are at least both fruits or even food for that matter). But this statement has no fact or meaning - therefor commonsense really can't apply. Least I think so. Now if he mentioned something like: "Racing is pointless, cars are driving around and getting nowhere just wasting our resources" That actually contains some common sense that racing involves using resources; oil/gas etc... But the other side could then argue back that racing advances automotive (and other industries) technologies, and provides entertainment. The debate can go on, but facts need to be used to back things up; How useless is Hannah Montana? Not very. There are millions of fans that are; entertained and addicted/stuck on watching/listening to her media outlets. That is not meaningless, meaningless to me - yes, because I am not a fan of that entertainment.

I meant to, and thought I had posted an update awhile ago - unfortunately not an update of progress.

For the time being I think the AIRS project has gone as far as it can go with LFS. Certainly I could get the AI doing better laptimes in LFS but I can not get any form of grip value for the AI to know if the car is slipping. I've thought about playing around with OutSim, using the angular velocity and acceleration vectors to see if I could come up with a good approximation, but honestly with the time it would take to do that I could likely make a small, flat world with some basic physics for a car to drive around.

So the next step of the process is going to take awhile, but I plan on making my own world, some simplistic physics, and get the AIRS project working with that.

If someone can come up with a way to accurately detect that each of tires are Under, Near, At or Over the Limit of traction using InSim/OutSim/OutGauge interfaces, then please describe how and if it is accurate enough then I will implement that and continue using LFS as the testbed for the AIRS project.

Because LFS is their hobby, enjoyment and it is their choice not to want anyone else developing it with/for them.

Because when you talk about something that is < 1 foot you don't typically use the phrase "It is 0.16667th of a foot long" instead you would say "It is two inches long."

DirectX has nothing to using 1 or 2 or 4 cores. Sure in the last couple years buying a single core CPU has been outdated. but many people that LFS targets do not have computers within that time. Rewriting to allow multi-core cpu advantage could be easy, or it could be extremely hard; it all depends on the way programming was designed. Considering LFS started before multi-core computers really started hitting the market I'd be surprised if multi-core support slid in without any issues.

In time Scavier will naturally progress their simulation and upgrade when they deem necessary, to newer versions of DirectX and to allow use of multi-core CPUs. But it all takes time.

I believe he is asking other drivers . . . Making a replica is not always that easy, especially when it is not there. This may be easier when FlameCZE's Layout Database project becomes more popular.

Switching to DX9 won't improve FPS. The DirectX 8 calls are boiling down to what the DX9 calls would be at the driver level.

Just a small note from my experience and view on upgrading/building a PC. It would be better to up the cost a little now, than to build a PC that is already behind current technology. You said you don't play games primarily because your current computer is not good enough, with that thought I would recommend spending the little more now. I'm not saying doubling your budget is okay, or anything like that - perhaps waiting an additional month to save a little bit more for the parts; that is the sort of thing I recommend.

I am not mentioning anything specific about the actual components to build your system, but if you have RAM type A and RAM type B which is better for just a little more costly than type A - then in my opinion it wouldn't be smart to save the money. You need to remember you are upgrading for a reason, don't make it so you will need to upgrade again soon. Of course within limits of some sort of budget, you don't need the best of the best but still I think you see what I mean.

Quote from Greboth :

It is the same with alot of things though, decimalisation was supposed to make things easier due to the points you raised with the maths but it just failed. You buy petrol in litres, but your beer in pints. We use miles not km. Ask 99% of people how tall they are and they will tell you in feet and inches, or how heavy and it will be in stones/pounds not metres or Kg. Strange but true lol.

That is what I was talking about with it is easier to relate / compare with the imperial system. But that is also because we grew up relating to that system. If from day one I was taught to measure myself in centimeters, then I would have a pretty damn good idea of how far something is in cm, m or km... But I didn't so I have to figure it out but process of knowing that 1yd is near 1m in length and then follow through comparing that way.

About the beer in pints, well that is still part of the same thing. We buy milk in gallons and gas in gallons. And some drinks come in quarts/liters which are close enough to compare (although again not exact). So if we had always bought, measured and used liters there would be no issue comparing/relating the sizes. This is getting slightly off the original topic. i just pointed out that I hadn't known distances (or other things for that matter) were measured using the same system that is common on this side of the puddle - and I didn't realize this from the sake of being mocked by others how superior the metric system is. Which it isn't superior in anyway until it comes to simplifying the math, and even then as long as you know 12in are in 1foot you can use math to convert for you...

Perhaps using OutSim, or the MCI packets through InSim would suit you better? Other than those options that is all that is available directly through the LFS interfaces/protocols.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Road signs in the UK are in imperial - miles and yards. However, as a yard is pretty much the same as a meter, they can be used interchangeably up to small distances.

The cost of changing everything to metric would be huge, and it would be a complete waste of money. Nobody would gain anything from the change, other than other services (NHS or prisons or childcare or road maintenance) having to cut back. And I think the services are rather more important than the units used on the road signs.

Besides, imperial isn't actually worse.

I never said imperial was worse, but it does make mathematics more complicated; 100cm = 0.1m but 100in != .1 1.0 10.0 or any other clean number of another imperial unit be feet, yards or whatever. 100cm is also 0.0001km another, still clean example of moving the decimal point. (I believe I moved it correctly :P). I wasnt recommending changing that either, but I was surprised to learn that distances are in miles in the UK - dunno, I just never knew that and had always assumed it was all done with the metric system.