Quote from Mazz4200 :

Just a question about those Group B vids, it's nice having a trip down memory lane, but, are all of the cars really group B ?. I don't remember the Opel Manta, the Porsche or the Toyota whateveritwas ever being group B, and i'm sure some of the 205's, Gordini 5's and Integrale's in the clips weren't group B.

I'm sure someone in the know or a Google expert will correct me, but i'm fairly sure i'm right

Not Google, but wikipedia can help you to see if you´re right or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B

Quote from JTbo :

Funny thing, I was watching those clips earlier today and now saw this

Well, have seen pure sound series few times before, absolutely best videos as those are not spoiled by music, engines do make all music that is needed

Me too, I just watched those videos again about half an hour before I saw this. I reminded these because of what we´re talking about in this thread http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=38158 . The group B cars were awesome machines and the sound they made was pure "music" for every motosport fan, especially the Audi.

Quote from Bawbag :

Wasn't there one accident with the Ford Rs200 that killed about 15 spectators which was the last straw for group B rallying?

Yes, it was in the Rally of Portugal in 1986 when the Ford RS200 of portuguese driver Joaquim Santos crashed into the public killing 4 people and injuring about 30 more. In the 80´s the portuguese rally was considered the best of the world, but the behaviour of the spectators was incredible... I watched some of them, by that time, and it was completely insane what people did, staying on the road and just moving with the cars on top of them... For those who don´t know the story here´s a video about it:

http://www.smog.pl/wideo/3383/wjechal_w_tlum/

Like I said before, I didn´t think that MOE organization and administration, knowing about this situation, wouldn´t do anything about it.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=37785

Quote from Polyracer :

But I have to wonder how many of them 6000 would have watched if they knew that it was likely that cheating was going on - and the cheaters were getting away with it?

We can´t say at this moment, that anyone got away with it... After all, the final results ain´t out yet, and I´m convinced that these kind of situation will deserve some kind of attention from the MOE organisers and admins....

Quote from Hyperactive :

And the other thing. Imho it isn't fair either to treat discos as DNF. It is imho a bit strange to compare a disco with engine/other failure. Surely in real life you get "random engine/other failures" but if you look at it in LFS, I'd guess that very small percentage of teams would actually finish a long race (like in moe, for example) because of the disconnections. Disconnections have nothing to do with real life and disconnections cannot imho be used to overcome some flaws or missing features in LFS.

On the other hand, the people (like in moe, for example) are really doing good job with what they have .

I have to agree with this. If you treat disconnetions as DNF, you´ll need to do the same regarding accidents and getting stuck on the track, not allowing Shift+P. But that way, a race like the 24h of Aston would loose all interest because after some hours you´ll have 5 or 6 cars on the track. For example we had 2 disconnets during the race that problably cost us 2 laps, so I think we were already penalised enough. If there were times when a disconnet work as an advantage to the team, the admins can have a look at those situations and issue a time penalty in order the restore the unfair advantage that was gained.

Quote from Zucar :

To the developers,

I had to stop driving Historic and share my discust with all the new billboards. With a world overcome by advertizing, corporatism, and over consumption it would be nice to buy something and not be paying for more ads. Many ads are actualy scenic and fine and to be expected at race tracks but these BMW and Intel billboards are way to big and way to often.

I love this track and game and like most am very appreciative of the fine work done by you three geniuses. Now this track is sad. Obviously what we pay is not enough for you and have sold out to these corporations to imprint our brains 30 more times a lap. Up until now you have always been so very artful, intelligent and tasteful.

Just one view in 6 billion, one view that feels you have cheapened your excellence and chosen a course that is at best sickening.

Zucar

Sorry, but I don´t understand what you´re trying to say...
Aston has been like this since the release of version T in April 2006, that's more than a year and a half!!!

Quote from Rappa Z :

OMGDZ! You hate it! YOu could've been a demo racer and lost your little drift car completely.

Anyone notice that it seems to be mostly drifters complaining?

First of all, I don´t "drift", don´t know how to do it, or like to watch it... But, I don´t think that the "real" drifters, the ones that are serious about it and really know how to do it, would be here complaining about Patch Y. First, because they would buy the game, so they would have more cars and more tracks to drift, instead of going months or years, round the same track with the same car. And second if they really know how to drift, they will be as happy as any of us racers that is more realistic now...

Yes, you can. By default, use your arrow keys. Up/down to change item and left/right to change value.

Quote from PaulC2K :

chunkyracer:
Yeah, thats the conclusion ive come to now, but what i dont understand is why it wont let me use them, in theory it should do it in 4 steps:
> own skins folder
> hi-res folder
> low-res folder
> ask if you want to download it
That doesnt happen right now for some bizarre reason, either intentionally or accidentally, its not letting you use the files you have available to you, and that was the reason for posting about them, i have them available to me, ive lost skin credits in order to have them, but LFS doesnt let me use them presumably because i've said i no longer wish to *download* hi-res skins. It lets me view my own personal hi-res skins, but not those ive downloaded, whats the difference??
1 option might be to copy all the hi-res files into the low-res and see how it handles that, but you shouldnt have to do that.

In theory you´re right, and I agree that that´s the way LFS should behave, so even if you decide not to use 1024 skins anymore, you'll still use the ones that you already have. But there should be another option,because, for example, if you´re having problems with your computer you may not want to use any 1024 skins, even if you already have them. So there should be a way that you can decide one of 3 diferent options:

- always use and download 512 skins ( even if you have 1024 skins in the skins_y folder)
- use and download 512 skins, but using 1024 skins if you have them in your skins_y folder
- always use and download 1024 skins

I´m at work so I can´t open LFS, so this is just a guess of what´s happening. You had the option to use 1024 skins enabled, so when you´re going to watch the replay it would look for the skins in the skins_y
folder. But since you change the option to use 512 skins, when you try to watch the same replay, it´ll look for the skins in the skins_x folder, and since they weren´t there, LFS downloaded the low res skins...
Like I said before this is just a guess, but I do think it has some logic considering how the skin folders are organised.

Quote from AndreABG :

erm, I went to his profile and tried to send him a mail, but it tells me that this user doesn't want to receive emails - so where should I write to?

http://www.lfs.net/?page=mailus

Quote from Vivanc0 :

Its wrong
Xrt gives a good impression
Xrg is just very sloooooooow
I think that i am not the only one playing this game for the drifting
I dont need al the fast cars, So im not gonna pay 12 dollars for only the xrt coz i wont use any other car :hidesbehi

You have to understand that this has nothing to do with what you think, or what you like. LFS is a comercial product, not freeware. So the demo has to be something that will make people buy the game after they try it, and not a "complete" game they can use for free and even think they can say what should be there or not...
And now for what´s best for LFS, we have a better demo:

- 2 road cars, a FWD and a RWD, that can race against each other, and very diferent to drive, so this is the best option to learn how to drive in LFS
- instead of the XRT - that´s is nothing more than a more powerful and turbo XRG - we have a single-seater, with downforce and a sequencial gearbox. A "real" car and a again a "totally" diferent driving experience from the other 2 cars.

So if you don´t want to pay for LFS, you can allways go and "drift" with other games... But don´t forget that probably none ot them will be as good for "drifting" as LFS is, and they are not free either!!

Last edited by chunkyracer, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 11:45.

Quote from Chris P :

Why-y-y-y?

It's going to take ages to rename all my setups.

No it´s not...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34784

I'm in too... Most of us will probably have to learn how to "drive" in LFS again, and forget all the bad habits we've been collecting over the time we play the game, but for me, that sure is a good thing. For those that were always complaining that nothing new happened to LFS, we may not have gotten 10 new cars and 20 new "real" tracks, but you sure got a all "new" game to play...

I have a DFP and always adjust the degrees of rotation of the wheel, to the maximum lock of the car in LFS, and I can tell that it won´t make go faster because it´s harder to drive that way, specially if you need to correct a slide ( the relative slow response of the DFP also helps in this). But, to me, it makes the driving much more fun, and now I'm so used to it, that if I change from a single-seater to a road car and forget to adjust the steering in the setup, I always crash in the first turn...

Quote from Gabkicks :

one of the physics programmers is Eero, though.

But one question still remains... If you were doing a game associated with the name Ferrari ( that by itself could sell thousands of copies), what would you do? Make it so real, that at least half the people that would try it, would realize that, just like in real life, they can´t drive a Ferrari, or make in a way that they would buy the game to keep on dreaming that, if they had the money, they could buy a Ferrari and drive it really fast?
Not an easy choice to make, if you ask me...

Quote from Alkanphel :

Oh hell no, i cant read binary.

http://snarkles.net/scripts/binary/binary.php

01000111 01101111 01101111 01100111 01101100 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100110 01110010 01101001 01100101 01101110 01100100 00100001 00100001

Amazing work, guys!!!

Um abraço muito especial para os nossos "irmãos" brasileiros, e que a vossa liga corra da melhor forma. Força nisso, pessoal!!

Besides that, you can go to http://www.lfs.net/?page=addons and download "A music addon pack consisting of 17 songs that you can add to your LFS S2."

The Raceabout is a real car http://www.raceabout.fi/index2.php

First of all, great work you´re doing. I really hope you can carry on with this ideia.
Good to see your report on LFS, altough I would like to point some things that you said that are not true:

- the development of LFS as nothing to do with the Intel Racing Tour. Intel asked the devs to use the sim in that event and in exchange we got the BMW Sauber in the game
- there are 3 real cars in LFS - BF1, RAC ( http://www.raceabout.fi/index2.php ) and MRT5 ( http://fsae.mcgill.ca/ ). The LX4/LX6 are not Caterham Super Seven

For those who think Bender it's not a great free software, take a look at Blender Nation http://www.blendernation.com/ or download some of the Blender Magazines http://blenderart.org/download.html ... After seeing what Blender can do, then come here and tell us "how it sucks".

My proposal for the logo... See if I can take some time to do the skins also.

EDIT: added 2 viewer screenshots of a XFG skin and a replay of a 1 lap AI race to show how it looks ingame.

Last edited by chunkyracer, Sat 14 Apr 2007, 03:56.

Don´t know if anyone of you saw this, but I think that it would be great to have something similar for LFS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFLzwRGNHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcGB_SnXaAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YnbsxhjnE8

Of course this would mean a lot of work and surely not a job for one person only.