FFS instead of telling me you get infraction or thread got closed just tell me which pic is so offensive so I can delete it.
And If you feel offended also tell me.
And if you want to delete something only because someone say its offensive but you cool with it tell me also so I can delete it BTW enjoy your censorship
No rly I find it ridiculous when something its considered to be offensive and ppl say it is even if they not really think it is or only because it is considered in good tone to say so.
Anyway your neighbourhood censor is ALWAYS on the watch
And If you feel offended also tell me.
And if you want to delete something only because someone say its offensive but you cool with it tell me also so I can delete it BTW enjoy your censorship
No rly I find it ridiculous when something its considered to be offensive and ppl say it is even if they not really think it is or only because it is considered in good tone to say so.
Anyway your neighbourhood censor is ALWAYS on the watch
Which one?
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I like this one very much.
I even wanted to make skin for scirocco based on that one but never had time.
http://moto.onet.pl/123685,4959723,2,zdjecie.html#id4959723
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I think those cars are funny but come on why calling them idiots and all that stuff.
Its not like they harming anyone or something, they just express themselves in that
way.Thx for help.
I tried netbikes, sbk09 and gp-bikes and my conclusion is.
Netbikes is rather interesting thing but its need a lot of work and dude who start to make it receive tons of emails from ppl that they paid for netcars and he should work on netcars instead of netbikes so dont think there will be any development for some time.
Sbk09 is kinda boring and even after switching to full simulation i doubt the bikes really behave like that also its lacks sense of speed.
I think GP-bikes are definitely the best position.
Nice graphics, physics and it have the potential if they remove those driver aids like the one that doesnt allow you to flip if you tilt the bike to much or the one which cut the throttle when you trying to do wheele.
Now I have to look somewhere for TT Superbikes on PS2 to try
I tried netbikes, sbk09 and gp-bikes and my conclusion is.
Netbikes is rather interesting thing but its need a lot of work and dude who start to make it receive tons of emails from ppl that they paid for netcars and he should work on netcars instead of netbikes so dont think there will be any development for some time.
Sbk09 is kinda boring and even after switching to full simulation i doubt the bikes really behave like that also its lacks sense of speed.
I think GP-bikes are definitely the best position.
Nice graphics, physics and it have the potential if they remove those driver aids like the one that doesnt allow you to flip if you tilt the bike to much or the one which cut the throttle when you trying to do wheele.
Now I have to look somewhere for TT Superbikes on PS2 to try
The best bike simulator for PC?
Lately I thought about trying bike sim but don't really know is there anything with realistic physics and decent realism for PC.
Since this forum is dedicated to a game which is considered to be the most realistic car sim i think it could be a good place to ask ppl for something that is suppose to be realistic
I've searched forum but the only simulators mentioned here which considered to be good is Superbike 2001 and GP500.
Since there is 2009 I think maybe there is something newer because those sims are kinda aged
Since this forum is dedicated to a game which is considered to be the most realistic car sim i think it could be a good place to ask ppl for something that is suppose to be realistic
I've searched forum but the only simulators mentioned here which considered to be good is Superbike 2001 and GP500.
Since there is 2009 I think maybe there is something newer because those sims are kinda aged
I like what is write on that lorry. 
You missed the point there. Read again with at least some basic level of understanding.
They not saying its great they saying its realistic, this makes a difference especially when you consider they are flew in real planes.
Flight model its the best as for now.
There is no other prop sim with such a realistic flying model.
Even if it somehow outdated as you said its still have no contest in 2009.
Its makes it the best prop sim out there.
About hypothetical situation with A, B, Z players.
I think player A will be having a lot of occasion to get this achievements as it will be for every race, and not just "get it once and forget".
I am myself actually pretty satisfied when i make a full race without even touching anyone, it is hard but satisfactory when you do this.
Unfortunately you don't always know you made such a good and clear race or how long you drifted or something else achievement would tell you about it.
Already forgotten when WoW was used in discussion and why?
Plz return to the first post where WoW make an first appearance and read it again because as for now you pulled Wow in discussion in random places but forget in which context it was used first so all of your argument with WoW are baseless because you lost context.
You must be joking. Or more likely you didn't play IL2 at all.
When ever you lost a peace of Ailerons, Elevator or Rudder you have problems which are characteristic for this particular kind of damage.
Without aileron you wont be so manoeuvrable and will lost control of aircraft often.
Without rudder your plane will be hard to flight and tail will be acting on its own.
And When you damage your elevator you cant even turn since the elevators are make you turn...(bank and pull up)
There is a lot and lot and lot more.
Dude i have no idea what game you played but it wasnt IL-2 for sure actually when you lost a part of your air control surface its the moment you most likely lost the battle in the air, unless your opponent is damaged as much as you or you can make a quick dive under clouds and run away with speed you gain from diving (hoping you will not falling apart peace by peace while diving).
Another argument of someone who obviously didn't play IL-2 or maybe played it on arcade level of difficulty...
Dude in one word. Things you say about IL-2 sound like you never played it at all.
As I said I think that we will not going to get this achievements from devs anyway.
Most likely Insim, or as third party application so you wont be affected by this in any way.
At least we all know who is The usurper PRO here right? "Osom MasterProBlaster On Da Wheels"
Also this discussion grow big and painful
as for now i think I will pull back from it.If you want to ask me something or tell me I was wrong somewhere use PM.
I don't wanna take a part in this discussion anymore. so just quoting and asking wont do the thing.
Unless you want to have last words then its cool with me
Cheers!
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Well it not. Even GTA gets boring when you done everything you have to do and now only driving and killing random policemen is all what left.
If I would get some kind of a notification on a server that i just win a race with a guy on the track he have world record it would be cool.
Drafting longer every time or overtake 5 person in 5 seconds it can be fun.
When it comes to Wow the whole game is full of variety of things to do, quests and stuff like that and achievements the only difference they are not called achievements but treasures and items, levels.
Well I didn't said I don't know what it is. As for now I dont know do i know what it is because every translator fails to translate it.
But I might know what it is and might not.
But it doesn't change the fact that i don't even have to know to see when a plane behave itself like a plane or not, for example when you see Boeing which flight like a paper plane you can tell there is something wrong and without even knowing what stabs is.
Hahha now its funny because there a lot WW II pilots where helping during making of that game there is a big interview with them on 1C site somewhere also there a few stunt team where real pilots playing.
They are also never said that IL2 is a bad sim or not realistic.
I don't know are you a pilot so you can tell what is realistic or you just know what stab and vstab is.
7)I don't need achievements to have a clear race but it still would be fun getting big screen with notification of a totally clean race from the very beginning to the very end.
Also it cold be something totally random.
Of course achievements are good but the main thing you do is still racing.
Achievements are just adds more flavour to thing you do often anyway.
Well its a matter of personal preferences some use would like it and some not.
Anyway I think everything that should be said already was said and the rest is belong to devs and ppl who have servers.
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I said there is no game which is fun because the only thing you do is fly, drive or shoot without purpose and everythig gets boring if not varied enough this was the essential...
Well achievments is one thing more to keep the game fresh and
You was the one who pulled it first in discussion as a example of games which does not get boring.
When I said that just killing and killing and killing without quests, treasures and stuff would be boring you say it is not comparable
So why you used it as an example in first place?
Uuum don't really know what are you talking about?
First of all did you played il2 vanila or latest il2-1946.
And the second maybe try with a joystick instead of a keyboard.
I mean i have no idea what was wrong in your game but as for now you are the second person who said that IL2 physics sux (Mazz4200) was first
Also IL2 is considered the most realistic flight sim even by real pilot who flight WW II planes.
So I dont really know what are you talking about?
Also what are this sentence about stabs mean?
And do you flight a real plane so you can say that physics is shit?
Or its shit because you have no comparison but you still cant play the game?
I mean I can say that its a weird situation when doing a roll with Boeing in MSFS an when I stop the joystick movement plan just freeze at the same moment in position like it didn't weight a thing.But i have no idea how stitched together systems would feel ike.
As for me its sounds like someone want to tell me whether I am interested in something or not and now you want to tell me what is my problem?
What are you doing there? a brilliant wannabe psychologist who can tell ppl what are their problem should go help people in need instead wasting his time on some gameing forum
Even longest wheelie or drift can be an interesting achievement if someone like it. Since you admitted yourself that you are not interested in achievements the kind of achievement should be indifferent to you, right?
Thank you for your diagnosis dr. wannabe Freud
Also I think its pretty good Yo Dawg moment
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I understand that my English is not the top notch and in fact its limit things I want to say to about 40% and probably there is a lot of mistakes but I am pretty sure there was enough sense in post you quoted.
But If you think it was "nonsensical ranting" and it didn't make sense to you I assume your cognitive skills are kinda limited, aren't they?
When it comes to images as a way of communication I have to say that english is not my native and I think it is natural that I my not understand some kinds of word games. (BTW what gold fish mean when applied to gamers?)
Words are better for interpersonal communication than images so plz try to use them so I don't have to guess what did you mean by posting image.
Unless you are a person with some disorder so you use images instead of words in that case its ok
Well if you want I can post you a link where f15 pilot land with one wing a ... ice he lost the other one.
If listen to explanation how f15 can fly with one wing it is perfectly real for SU-25T to fly with this kind of damage.
Also with that speed wing surface that left for SU-25 was enough to keep plane in the air. Since f15 could land with one wing only because of wide body and speed.
But IL-2 is clearly better when you fly you can feel how your aircraft lose speed, control and breaks up gradually in parts when overspeed.
TBH its not very realistic when all planes have some kind of weird stability during flight or manoeuvres. also ovespeed doesn't effect plane stability.
no vibration no nothing its just overstressed at some point and that's all.
MSFS lose with IL2 when it comes to realism.
Also the things you can do with Boeing are just surreal
In any case from the all ppl I know who played all 3 games you are the only one who saying that MSFS is more realistic than IL2
Downloading setups of other ppl kinda miss the point and take part of pleasure away.
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I would be glad if They would make a track making tool and release it.
I wouldn't even complain if I would made a 100 tracks which would lost compatibility with some new patch.
Considering the time it takes to amke a new patch i am pretty sure its like 9 months at least of compatibility
First of all Who say that new scirocco have to replace old?
A little effort from the moders with some cooperation from the devs and we have a new car model with its own driving model in a new slot.
I know in practise it doesn't look all that beautiful but you have to agree it would work.
Also there could be servers which allow cars added by mods or have only limited choice, this solution works in some other games.
But TBH the only reason I can see Devs wouldn't make this happens its they afraid that if someone have the possibility to make cars and tracks why he should buy S3.
So its look like till S3 its wont happen and by that time I am afraid I (and not only me) will be very bored by LFS.
Unless immediately after S2 they release S3 and ppl who buy it will get track editor and possibilities to add mods.
But again then some ppl would buy it and some stay at S2 and community would split up
So it have to be released earlier.At least possibility to make tracks.
Yeap
Well I would disagree.
For example beating in a race guy who have world record on track he have that record would be rather interesting as a achievement.
Wining 5 times in a row, 10 race without a single shunt, 10 laps on soft tires and win race without a pitstop
even longest Jump, wheelie, drift anything that you would achieve for your own satisfaction would be good.Of course most of the examples i give here are for self satisfaction or would play the role of the knife(humiliation weapon) in some shooter where you use your knife to kill an enemy it is pure fun when you do this
But it doesn't change the fact that there would be some cool achievements and tough to do but gives a lot of satisfaction when you do them.
But considered the fact that every achievement would mean a dozen lines of code to write i think that achievements would be good as a server side feature or a third party application.
Worse.
Here I agree with you fully.
Even if I want something more from LFS and complain bout stuff that piss me off I just cant deny they made one hell of a good job
To make it clear I think that LFS need a lot but it doesn't mean that it somehow a bad game.
It is a very good game even with all the flaws and even considering the fact its kinda dull and tracks are boring but I am 100% sure it have potential.
What and you call yourself a racer
Come one how will you measure your acceleration when adjusting your gearbox to tell is it better or worse.For diagnostics purposes it is a perfect thing.
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The fact you have the whole glob to fly is enough so you wont get bored soon.
And with mods is just pure killer.
Why not?
If in LFS where some mods with new tracks or better looking modification of existing ones (new objects/surroundings and textures) or even possibilities to make your own track I would quietly shut up and dl them, but there is no.
And how many times you can drive AS.4 or BL.1 just what kind of patience you have to do this over and over for years.
A track making tool and I am in 7th heaven
A possibilities to make textures and add custom objects for that tracks and I am just happy as dog who just get chzburger
There is already some moders like gils4life and lynce who made great addons.
reflections, sound, new textures they bring something new to lfs and much better than default was.
But with time you get used to it and it is not enough to keep game "fresh"
As I said a few cars and a few tracks it is not enough.
The mods could help a bit at least when it comes to tracks but the only thing you can do is build a layout which hit the fps because of objects and looks just boring, unless you find look of the barriers all over the place refreshing.
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Hundredths of airports, the whole globe to fly, thousands of mods, even programs that simulate real weather.
And even multiplayer where you have to flight with other ppl and even have ground control provided by other ppl often who work in real airports.
dude I played MSFS there is so much Variety I couldn't write all even if I wanted to...
The same fact that you never get bored by sceneries is worth mentioning.
Since there is all globe to visit and tons of photoscenaries it is rare to flight over same boring landscape.
Even flying over Japan with photorealsitic scenario is cool enough.
But when "Active sky" give report bout major thunderstorm Just taking your mig29 fulcrum and make a suicidal flight in heart of it when nothing can be seen and your instruments is the only way to tell where are you and how close to ground.
This is real killer.
This is the reason why you should read at least what my response to breizh was about.
In any case if you think MSFS its just flying then you didn't play it or didn't notice how much things to do you have there. From stunt flying, online gaming to just sightseeng with photorealistic sceneries and objects.
There even planes with guns and rockets added by some mods (just to show off)
And you never just flight you have a lot to take care of especially if you flight some plane which where added.
Like from mod team "Project Tupolev" you wont even start it like stock msfs Boeing.
There is more than 150 pages to learn and things to monitor during flight...
In any case my post bout what you have do do in different games was about variety of things to do in game and in that case MSFS have just tons of stuff to do.
And if we talking about physics physics in MSFS is rather pure when compared to il-2, Xplane and even lock on.
So sry in terms of physics MSFS not really a sim unless we talking bout plans added by mods.
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How bout now
This pic with a round dude its just killer, another one saved to the HDD
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Agree making it required some time.
Well of course it is a sidetask I vote for it because I would like this feature in game.
I realise its not the most important now and i dont demand to take care of it now but in future.
Well correct me if I am wrong but games being evaluated by their gameplay.
Game which is boring, doesn't have anything really interesting to offer in other words with bad gameplay never be a best sealer and never get a good mark by reviewer, for example.
In other words game are about gameplay mainly.
Well Forza 2 also have setups, cars, racing tracks, wheels lets make LFS an motor board racer Only in that way we can be sure that lfs will be different from Forza in any aspect.
Otherwise if something is considered a good idea why not to do this, only because they have it in forza?
First conclusion: Forza should be a good game if all Xbox players show it as an example of a racing game and so much ppl suggested solutions similar to forza's.
Devs can make game but in the end it will be players who decide is it any good or not.
Second conclusion: If there is so much improvement suggestion its mean LFS lack something.
So every suggestion should be reviewed and not rejected cuz its about something which is implemented in some other game you personally don't like.
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Please Accept my apology my blind eyes didn't notice the line between the posts
BTW in that case I also have to tell you that you win debate with forbes on equal terms with style
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Tank you forbin's spokesman
Since you are his spokesman tell him that "I would like him to give a reasonable argument next time, instead of just some images."
I mean its discussion after all and not icanhascheezburger.com.
Also I would like him to acknowledge there is ppl in the community who like this idea and it would be nice if next time he would explain why not or at least how is it going to affect him as a player.
Because I understand if you don't like achievements no one going to force you to do them but why decide for the players who would like to have achievements.
Also the main point of this thread is not that someone give the idea and those who disagree with him try to bury this thread or take attention somewhere else.
The main point of threads like this is discussion, images are nice but they lack of substantive value.
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Well here we go again.
We have a console fanboyz.
A PC fanboyz.
And just players.
Maybe some day you use your brain instead listen to all that nonsense around the web which platform is better for gaming...
Also I don't know what makes you think that this is the only reason to play.
To me its something that encourage you to do something more than just playing/racing.
In that place I would like give answer to Breizh about why do i think that variety is counts.
Also sorry Breizh I was writing Huge ass response to you with points I agree or disagree with you, but then my mozilla just crashed without a warning leaving me with tears in my eyes and in state of a major FUUUUUUUUUUU...
So I just answer to one point to show you that variety is counts.
Well breizh I dont play MMO because I dont have time.
But whether you play "Lock on" IL-2 or WoW you never just fly, or fight.
Flying, fighting, driving is a mean to do something.
Just driving or just fighting, flying would be a brainless entertainment without something behind it.
Even Chopin said that the most disgusting thing is music created just for entertainment without anything behind it
.So for example you don't play flight sim just to flight, you always have something to do like drop bombs on enemy airfield, convoy ailed cars to base, destroy the enemy ships.
If you play online your mates play as a aliants and someone else play for axis but you still doing something, dogfights bore ppl very fast.
You newer play to just flight cuz it would be boring.
When it comes to World of warcraft you don't just wander trough this island or what ever it is and fight.
You do some quests, find a bunch of ppl to do this quests, looking for treasures and much more that only WoW players know what more in that game so its not get boring
And now imagine you just have sword or axe and go kill some noob, in optimistic version you have level up and you go kill another noob or get killed, then respawn and go kill another noob.
You have to agree with me that vision of WoW where you don't have even quests and the only ting you do its fighting its not very atractive as a MMO and it wouldn't last long.
The same goes for racing games.
LFS its a good game with a potential but its kinda boring with a few tracks and a few cars.
Consider the fact that from tracks only Fern bay and south city are somehow interesting the rest is just green.
But still south city looks like a deserted city without signs that there ppl living, just some buildings standing.
Its lack of climate
(And by the climate I mean, well chosen colours, something like screens with adds and billboards or anything that give you the feeling that this city its not deserted.)
but still the way its done show that LFS have potential to be a nice visually racing game.
But for now there is only a few tracks and a few cars it would be good if there would be something more, even achievements.
Well to bad I am a total noob i have no time practising and I lose most of the time.
Wanna tell me what I am interested in and in what I am not interested?
Forbin what are you doing?
You think its imageshake or something?
If your response have any essential value then plz Show me...
I would like to hear it...
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Licences in GT series are kinda addicting achievement.
Getting all Gold was hard as hell and exciting at the same time.
Getting all Gold was hard as hell and exciting at the same time.
Is there somewhere a pack that have the best sounds of gills4life.
Eng sound list on the first page do not have all the sounds he have made as far as I know. (FMB not here for example)
I went trough 30 pages of that thread downloading sounds but still there is no sounds for all cars I cant find sounds for formula 1 cars and i don't even know is the sounds i have are up to date or there is somewhere more recent versions of this eng sound.
I read this thread backward so i dl'ed sounds which where posted later but still "The best of" pack would be useful.
Also will it work with upcoming patch?
Eng sound list on the first page do not have all the sounds he have made as far as I know. (FMB not here for example)
I went trough 30 pages of that thread downloading sounds but still there is no sounds for all cars I cant find sounds for formula 1 cars and i don't even know is the sounds i have are up to date or there is somewhere more recent versions of this eng sound.
I read this thread backward so i dl'ed sounds which where posted later but still "The best of" pack would be useful.
Also will it work with upcoming patch?
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Sure lets see when did you last played LFS
Breizh: (12:08 - 29 Jun '08)
It is funny but I think i will make some statistic how much ppl who vote against adding some features dont play LFS anymore...
In fact Long ago I've noticed that a lot of ppl who suppress every progress on its roots didnt play LFS for a long time like 6 months or longer, they already get bored with LFS.
And no wonder LFS dont have anything to offer except physics and physics itself its just boring.
Because you drive same cars over same tracks, over and over again.
Its so repetitive that i cant believe someone can keep doing it longer than a year.
80% of tracks could be summarized by two words: green and trees.
They look more like segments of one bigger track than independent racing tracks.
Only a few cars and variations of this cars plus some basic setups options.
There is not a single thing except driving model which would keep you playing.
In fact LFS its a game want it or not, the games its about fun, fun its not only driving but something more, Easter eggs, secrets, unlockable features, achievements.
It is every thing which preserve game b4 monotony, repetitiveness and boringness.
Its a variety of stuff to do in the game.
Simply there is no such game which can be entertaining for a long time without anything to do except just driving, shooting, fighting or flying.
But hell who needs all those features its a sim and its should stay as it is.
Just very basics which means driving only even if more and more ppl getting bored by the same content and dont play anymore.
It is pity that most of those ppl who reject every possible fun feature are dont play LFS anyway or going to stop playing in a very short time.
As for now LFS is fun because of well made physics and driving model but its getting boring soon and there is nothing except it.
Anyway what kind of argument is this?
You dont like 360 controllers or you don't like the idea of getting rewarded for fastest lap in the race or for beating world record on some track even if its not going to cost you anything.
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Sooo how much of teh ppl did end those driving lessons
When I tried to end this training course I was trough hell with overtaking the AI drivers...
Those Sons of a...... drunk race driver didn't let me pass them they geting in my way and when I was at the corner in front of them some **** jsut hit me in the rear and i end up in the sand...
Since then i didnt try to end those lessons...
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