Will books on Racing Theory be any help for newbs learning racing theory (me )?

Has anyone read any that are useful? Will they contain more information, some that generally won't be found online? If so, which books are good for learning general racing theory (ofc a bit more in depth).

Thank you

What on earth is your problem? I'm trying to be nice here, and you're just going at everything I am posting. Uhhh... hmm what did I say?

"I did state that they are in the low power consumption level. But that still doesn't make them faster, does it?" Intel CPUs are slower in the low power consumption level. How about Core i7s? Ooooh. Let's do a benchmark!

Uhhh... let's see what you said, hmm? the via is faster, indeed. Ohhh... really? Via is faster than Intel? Oh, I didn't know that.

Sure... go buy some cheap crap, because we know for a fact that cheap is better!

If you want to correct me, fine. I don't even mind if you say I am wrong. If you do, tell me. I am here to learn! I will be more than happy to acknowledge that I made a mistake and I will admit it too. If you correct me, I will probably have made a mistake. I've seen your responses, and you are older, and probably have more experience. But if you are going to post it in such a 'mentally hilarious way' such suggesting that if you try to not put words or phrases such as 'hmm, i forget what he said. let's look!' or 'so to reword his stupid post, buy 10D4MU-31Dy RAM!" then get ready to get a post in a similar manner right back at you. I seriously don't know what I did to offend you or make you make me sound like a retard.

Last edited by GenesisX, Fri 28 Aug 2009, 03:51.

Mhmmm... I believe that is 105hp, which is 75% more power, from the turbo charger. Overall, power to wait ratios should go up around 70%! That's great. Just have to learn more delicate throttle control. I also need to develop a similar setup for it as my XRG. But I still need to practise a lot before I do the transition... I might even de-tune the XRT to ~180hp in the beginning, if necessary. All in all, long time...

EDIT: Thanks for the feedback...

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Ferrari 312 V12

Awww man!!! I feel so left out. Wait... It's not my fault. That is so demo - descrimination. C'mon man!

Hah... Even though FAKE petrol heads are not supposed to post here (only REAL ones), I did! Hah! Lol...

Last edited by GenesisX, Fri 28 Aug 2009, 03:08.

Sorry... misinterpretation. Mhmmm... I could do that, but too much would lead to a 25hp XRG - like, which isn't far off

I know that I can do a smaller angle, but I generally don't want to or my skills are good enough to do a small angle/countersteer on a slightly oversteer biased setup. I find it easier to control. But when I get the tyres hot enough, I can generally enter with a bigger angle, but wait for it to ease off a bit before stepping on the gas! For high speed continual fast - in fast - out drifting.

I also should practise some high speed 4 wheel drifting. Not sure if this is how it is done, but what I am planning to practise is to ram in at a high speed, jam the e-brake, and have my car slide perpendicular or near perpendicular to the edge, at which all my tyres will have exceeded their maximum grip capacity. (Found doing this with knobs are rather easy... but my current settings lead to high understeer with such tyres).

I can generally do high angles too, but with an XRG, I'll just end up with slow exit speeds, or really hot tyres from max throttle! Or I would need to enter at a high speed, like 140 km/h for T2 (after hairpin).

I'm practising manji (arab drifting); hopefully I'll learn throttle control, and delicate steering. My plans are to get my S2s to arrive thereafter... Then I'll take my XRG to other places, and 'add a turbo' to it... In other words, soon after, I hope to transition to the XRT, when my skills get a bit better. Throttle control, and delicacy... I still need to work on that.

Quote: your drifting is quite good

but you should have a little better angle, and start sooner and faster (thats a general answer)

i have a run for you to examine, it is very bad as it was the first lfs thing i did in about a week, and i am not used to blackwood or the xrg

and try to either tighten up your rear springs or try out my setup (you can keep it if you want) @ LogitekG25

Thank you for the feedback. This is what I need to help me improve. I really appreciate your help!!!

Last edited by GenesisX, Fri 28 Aug 2009, 02:56.

I've downloaded the exe from the ATi website, and extracted the needed files from it, which are the files under the folder XP_INF. The files are as follows:

CX_86328.cat
CX_86328.inf
atiseag.ini

When trying to install just the display driver, this should be sufficient. Again, I have not tested this, thus it is at your own risk if anything happens. Again, follow the procedure in the website given, and use my post as reference. They should be similar. Link the driver back to your download folder.

Notes: The extracted exe is called 9-8_agp-hotfix_xp32_dd_ccc.exe and is created and modified on Today, August 26, 2009, 10:53:23 PM. I got this from
I've downloaded the exe from the ATi website, and extracted the needed files from it, which are the files under the folder XP_INF. The files are as follows:

CX_86328.cat
CX_86328.inf
atiseag.ini

When trying to install just the display driver, this should be sufficient. Again, I have not tested this, thus it is at your own risk if anything happens. Again, follow the procedure in the website given, and use my post as reference. They should be similar. Link the driver back to your download folder.

Notes: The extracted exe is called 9-8_agp-hotfix_xp32_dd_ccc.exe and is created and modified on Today, August 26, 2009, 10:53:23 PM. I got this form http://support.amd.com/us/kbar ... es/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx .

This is for reference. You should do the extraction process by yourself. I wouldn't trust forum - posted drivers myself. And if you get a virus, you can't come to me saying that I put like a virus or I f*cked up your computer... You have been warned. Anyways, I'll post them for your reference sake, and you may attempt and hopefully succed with the process... If it works, plz tell me!

They are here... Last note... I cannot guarantee that these are the correct drivers, or will be compatiable with the apps that you use. BSOD, not my fault. These are intended Windows XP drivers 32-bit... should work with AGP cards, but the site only states them as a hotfix, whatever that is supposed to do...

Good Luck!

I am not completely sure, but it maybe possible. Graphic cards maybe a bit more sophisticated, but hopefully this will work, as with other components. What you need is simply an .inf file. If you can find someone to get you this .inf file, then you can go to Device Manager, search for the component (in this case, a graphics card), and right click, and install or update new driver (or something like that). Then when it asks you to insert a CD, simply state that you will locate the driver, and direct it to the inf. file. After that, you can simply just say YES to all the stuff like 'The driver is not signed by Microsoft'.

Well, this is what I do with USB 2.0 drivers, HD (Microdriver (SDHC - HD)), and no - name joystick drivers. I might try this next time I install a new OS, to remove stupid memory gogging GUIs for my GPU, as required of course!

---- I have not tried this before. You may be able to extract an INF, or get someone to find one for you, but I have not tried it, tested it, or guarantee that if it works, it is reliable, best performance, or etc. At your own risk...

EDIT: I don't think this is a noobish question, but rather advanced. I'd thought of doing this, and while trying to do the research to do a follow up, I may learn an answer =D

EDIT 2: Look here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=258626
Chances are if you are just looking install a sole display driver, it may be possible. I've went to the website, and gotten hold of an ATI Radeon Card Display Driver exe. I'm extracting the inf files with 7-zip. I can upload them for you. If you don't trust me, then you should go online and do the process. I don't want you to blame me if anything goes wrong though.

I'll create a new post for the upload...

Last edited by GenesisX, Fri 28 Aug 2009, 02:28. Reason : Post 2?

Typically, you don't need drivers to be slipstreamed for them to work during installation. It is usually typical to install them after Windows installation. While nLite is a good method, I never can get it to work with slipstreamed drivers. Maybe I fail with nLite. Removing components with it, however, can make you installation rather light, and fast, rather than big, fat, ugly, and bloated.
With the installation. I'm not sure if the installation via boot is OS independent or not. To be sure, why don't you use a partition tool such as good old gParted, or Magic w/e, and get the HD to a raw status, or format it to NTFS, before booting the installation disk. Why? I'm not 100% sure, but unless you partitions had faulty sectors, I don't know why it'd be asking you to run chkdisk.

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Quick Question.

If i got to the System Properties Tab, and Right click the HDD and Click Format, will this do the job? i just want the drive Empty so i can install XP!

It might format another partition that is not the primary partition, but you will not be able to format the whole hard drive. Such, you are still running on the OS. And you cannot delete or modify files when they are in use; well Vista won't let you do that. And it is common knowledge... You cannot format a primary boot partition while running the OS. You need to either do it while booting off a secondary partition (maybe you got Windows XP installed on HD1 (usually D:\), or you could have run a Live CD, such as the Ubuntu Live CD, or you can even run the Linux Recovery Disk, which is what I use as a partition tool.

Best bet... don't use Window's Partitioning Tool. Try something like Killdisk, and do a normal quick wipe. Then partition with something like gParted if you run multiple partitions, (formatting while in OS is slow as hell especially with old PCs, and big a$$ partitions!). If not, then create and format the single big one while installing XP; which is required, as always =D.

Fix the problem with brute force; Do it the Killdisk way.

In fact, there are more. But the other one I can think of is TH2G which costs $300.

EDIT: Please take the explanation by reference. Surely they may get you going on a dual monitior setup, but please research for more ways. I don't want you to get limited because I only stated only 2. There may be better options just sitting there, waiting, waiting for you

You scared? :P

Last edited by GenesisX, Fri 28 Aug 2009, 03:42.

Mhmmm.... The motherboards use bus speeds like 1333 because they are quad pumped. Such a CPU that has a running bus of 333 mhz runs on such a bus (333 x 4 = 1333). This applies to 1600 (400), 800 (200), as so applies.

Your question: Yes, it should work. Depends what else you have running on the motherboard and rig though. You don't want to run some crappy ram, as it will hinder your overclocking ablilites. 750i as in the review don't clock very well with 'Speedstep' as stuff running, so you make sure you turn off the 'smart' features when overclocking.

No no. Of course I didn't think you were dissing me. However, I'd make my life a whole lot easier if you simply took 3 minutes to read it, where I would've taken me 20 or 30 minutes to write.

I'll try, but I am rather busy tomorrow. This means my S2 purchase has to wait until Friday or Saturday. Good Luck.

BTW, does anyone know if Soft will work with FSX with an actual span, not stretched mode?

According to http://forums.vr-zone.com/trou ... -better-xfx-asus-msi.html you might want to go with XFX. I personally have a better impression of XFX, less with ASUS and even less with MSI.

These boards are great though. You can use a CPU with a bus of 333 mhz! PCIe buses with high bandwidth... just dreamy!

I might move back to AMD for my next build...

Sure I'd be more than glad to! I'll edit the post when I have the results.'

1. P5N - D : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... odid=MB-265-AS&tool=3
You find a review here... It is supposed to be a good product... but horrible for overclocking... totally dependent on you. found here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl ... /asus-p5n-d_15.html#sect0

2. Someother motherboard with 750i chipset:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products ... 800-SATA-II-SATA-RAID-ATX

3. Some nForce4 motherboard. Kinda sucks, but is rather cheap with SLI. Might not SLI newer cards, I have no idea.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products ... SATA-II-SATA-IDE-RAID-ATX

Can't find any more... don't no many UK websites... Good Luck!

Last edited by GenesisX, Wed 26 Aug 2009, 21:03.

Not if you were to run full F@H with GPU2 and the CPU client (SM), or if you were encoding material using the GPU. He is trying to game with the laptop...

Well said bunder. Even my hideous DFGT looks better. I actually likes the look of the G25, but the G27 looks kinda crappy...

From seeing this, I can't help ask myself why you'd want to go from a quality P35 board to an SLI board, where you can probably overclock the hell outta the E8400 with such a good P35 board.

Again, I understand that you have 2 8800GTs! I don't know any UK Buyer sites, so I am using a well - known american site.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16813131232

$120 which is around 6-70quid if I am correct? With handling fees aofc.
I can attempt to find some boards across the ocean, and see if you like them. Research is dependent on yourself, and I'd urge you to look around for benchmarks regards to the respective boards, and how they fair with other SLI capable boards. You probably won't feel a decrease in performance. I did some research for you, and seeing how an 8800GT's mem clock is @ 900mhz (dual pump) you'll get a theoretical bandwidth of about 1.8gb/s. Seeing how a 8x bus can do about 4 gb/s, you probably won't lose performance. Cards like 4770, 4870, and 4870x2 and 4890 might, if their memory clocks are above 1 ghz.

In my opinion, nVidia boards are great, but it depends what you get. I'd still aim to get a high end nVidia board, like a 680, 780, 790i boards. For Intel CPUs, I'd still stick with the Intel Chipset oriented boards, but seeing how you need SLI...

Last edited by GenesisX, Wed 26 Aug 2009, 20:34.

In terms of the explanation. The part afterwards (no pictures), is the part where I explain installing SoftTH. It shouldn't be a hard process, but I wrote it in anyways, because I had trouble installing with only 2 monitors. The resolution was easy. It is there for reference only, and reading it is only up to you. No one is going to make you do it. However, it'd be easier if you did, because it may answer your questions.

I can try to upload pictures, if that makes it easier. I know that personally I am also a visual learner, but I adapt if there isn't any, such as the Advanced Setup Guide, where there weren't pictures for such things as dampers, scrub radius, track, and stuff. I had to make up what the explanation was in my head, and 'IMAGINATION'. Can you see the rainbow ? If that isn't enough, I even go online and look for further articles or pictures.

It is in the question of you. Do you want more information? I'd be more than glad to help you, as for instance, I learned that there is such thing as an "adjustable FOV' now. Too lazy to install it though ;D.

@ "so are you promoting what was previously stated"

I'm not promoting anything. I'm not a sales representative of either things. It is up to you. You should choose what is better, dependent on what you have, and what you want to get accomplished. They are both good choices for you to choose from, and there are many ways of getting them done. I'm just explaining them to you, but the programmers, or creators of them will probably help you get this done a lot easier.

Lol George. Yeah, I should just give up, shouldn't I?

Thanks again, Bob.

@Grigg94 Sure. But anyways, I'd do the same if I had S2. It has nothing to do with what license I have. It is the fact that I want to learn the process, to become better at making setups, and thus driving the car, and having it perform in a way I want. I'm getting my S2s shortly, and I'm probably going to write as much, if not more!

This is rather a crappy run. The speed is generally my avg. drift speeds.

Same as you, mamoru. I run a tad slower, around 90 km/h in normal corners, and 60-ish in T1. You can see, if you watch, that my shifting is horrible, and I actually miss shifts. WHy? I just got an FFB Joystick working today. - You can guess what I did. This is my second run at it; I had 3 laps before taking this replay. Anyways, I made careless mistakes because I was too busy tending to the hshifter, and getting it in gear; I shifted into reverse, and I lose control I had to fix my entries by ebraking it, or powering it through the corner.

I'm still working on it. Have to make a case, buy a stick shift, and boot , and make an h-shift plate for this piece of ugly look sh~t. (AVB TOP SHOT :schwitz. Next project: e-Brake with the pots from my other joystick!

PS: I have to work on my lines, and entry speeds... I know that

I can't exactly make out what you are trying to say. Try to clearly state what you have questions about. I tried to explain what I am thinking from typing it out, and you can at least look for what you have problems with.

I never said it was an extreme case, but we are talking about how a 720W (or w/e) PSU isn't running a 9800GT if the PSU was the problem.

It was never supposed to be adressed as an issue, but talking about tolerance of quality and no name PSUs, and other variables that may apply such as overclocking. All in all, trying to run an expensive PC on a crappy PSU to save $10 isn't going to get you anywhere. It is damn right stupid, and if anything fails, you might bring down your whole system with you.

RE: Yeah, basically to check every signle possibility, attempt to single them out. If you think it is the PSUs problem, put your dad's PSU in your setup, but only CHANGING the PSUs. If it works, than your PSU is screwd. If not, then move onto the motherboard. Try your PSU on your dad's motherboard with the 9800GT plugged in. If that isn't the problem, then back to the whiteboard.

I can't think of any other reason why it wouldn't be working, because it works on your dad's motherboard, and your PSU, and your dad's PSU and your motherboard, but not your PSU and your motherboard. - Such if this actually happens, something is wrong. Your rig might not have enough juice to push out the things attached to your motherboard (if this happens.)

You see, I think it is worth going through all the diagnostic. It isn't a big hassle, taking into consideration the cost of the 9800GT. I don't know the procedure of RMA'ing nor have I done it before, but I guess the diagnostic might be less hassle-some then doing the RMA. You'd definitely have to wait some time before being able to play the games that you can only play on a 9800GT or above, such that the IGP sucks @ss. Nothing against IGP though.

Personally I'd take the Asus Whatchamacallit... Yeah, the G71GX. That's my opinion. If this was a question to help you decide, you'd need to decide what your priorities were, what you want, don't want the laptop to do, or perform.

I for one, would like to play games on the fly. I'd like to dump my current PC, and use my laptop as a 'replacement'. However, if I had to use this on the go, without a power adapter, then I'd take a laptop with more power-efficiency, with similar processing power. If I needed to search the web, and I had no intention of playing games, or Folding everywhere I go, then I'd dump these laptops, and settle for a netbook!

Anyways, according to specs, the G71GX should be better then the DV7 in terms of actual performance, but talking about power hungry, the DV7 should be no where close to the 71.

Two major factors that I take into play; if the GPU is dedicated or integrated. If the GPU sucks donkey balls or actually renders graphics. That's what I'd look for when buying a laptop. Again, your views are different.

Direct comparison:

Their weight is nearly the same. Only 1.5lbs more for the 71GX, which accounts for around 10% of the total weight. One runs on a quad core @ 2 ghz, where the other runs @ 2.7, a dual core. Their archeitechure is the same, thus clock for clock, 2.7 > 2.0. Not many actual quad core oriented games (applications.) out there, but in such case, the GTX260 would kill the 4650, which makes up more than everything for the difference. Desktop GPUs, that may be 60 - 70 more performance (GPU wise) Don't know about their mobile counterparts. There is also the 700mhz in extra speed that can be used for applications that use only single or double threads.

The screen, only .3 inches in size more than the 71GX, which is 2%. No that much considering the original size. However, the DV7's monitor runs @ 1600 x 900 where the 71 runs at the typical 16:10 1440 x 900

The hard drive, the DV7 has a faster hard drive, but run identical spec RAM. The DV7 is probably running on a better chipset too, but in real - life applications, you probably won't notice the difference, unless you were writing or reading something to the HD (higher HD speeds).

THe 71 is a bit bigger in dimensions, and runs for a shorter time on the stock batteries under a battery drain test. You should last significantly longer if just searching the web.

With the 71, you can reach DV7 levels in terms of encoding, if you overclock the processor. THey state that you can reach 15% normally on the processor. Maybe cooling can get you another 5% to 3.3- ish ghz. Encoding, you may get the equivalent decrease in encoding times, where in the DV7 was only 10s faster (respective tests). However, overclocking the GPU on the DV7 won't make it any faster than a GTX260, as the difference is too much.

-Discovered GTX260M =~ 8800GT
4650M = <4650 - 4670 = maybe 30 - 40%

Depends on your needs.

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