I guess you should check the vids again. There was Button next to Kimi and Barichello in front of him. It was not the exit of the corner, it was the entrance to apex. Because there were two cars next to him (Heidfeld outside Button), Kimi had no chance to run a quick line, had to correct his speed and therefore slowing rightly down. While you may be right that in certain situations (Istanbul 2005, Montoya pulling right in front of Monteiro in a braking zone, taking downforce from Monteiro) the car behind may not be at fault, in a situation at the start where you can see that a three wide is going on, you need to be extra careful as the driver behind. Rule of thumb: when in doubt, don't. JPM didnt do that, so he is to blame and not Kimi.
So a kick in the nuts is not unsportsmanlike, Fordy? 
At the start maybe, because you can boost the turbo. Out of corners the FZR is better than the FXR because it has no turbo lag and not such a tendency to understeer.
The latter part is true but the former is not. There have not been clutch pedals in a Ferrari since they introduced the semi-automatic with the pedals in 1989.
Quite untrue. Official lap records are always set during races.
As long as two tires are on the track (curbs being part of the track), it's no cutting. But take for instance the exit of the chicane before S/F on most AS-tracks: if the tires arent there you can take a much faster line and this is checked in hotlap mode.
The thing is: that's enough to win an occasional race. To win championships you need to beat all of them any day not just "that day". He ain't got that. When JPM gets to the track on Friday and takes the first couple of laps is when his weekend is decided: If the car is good, he's prone to be up there. If he doesn't feel like it's good he stops working, he just cruises around.
He also doesn't really know how to develop a setup which became obvious when RSC was injured in 2004. Ralf isn't the greatest racer but when he was in the cockpit, JPM put in good results. For the time RSC was out with the broken back JPM faded and came back up to the top when RSC got back. Shows you who did the developing with Williams in 04.
No. Leagues are partly using passengers as ballast and general experience is that even with 1 passenger the FXO is significantly faster than the XRT.
Mind you, he won more races in 161 GP than Senna, has the better start/win ratio, won his first title earlier. The only record he did not break in less starts than Senna is the pole record.
Mind you again, this is not me saying MSC is better than Senna (I rate those two, Rindt, Clark and Fangio on the same level and I refuse to say there is one single best driver), it is only saying that based on statistics, the arguments speak for MSC.
And make the season even more boring? After all, Ferrari is atm the only team that can challenge Renault.
A certain other driver got to retain his WDC title after intentionally punting another driver off in the first turn of a race. And that was after he announced doing so the night before.
They don't. They don't do that on any car. You set the fastest laps at the end of your stint and the FZR in particular has the advantage that the tires last a full tank. On the other two cars it depends on the track but they are normally quite a bit behind laptime wise so the FZR can afford stopping longer or having even one more stop in a (long) race.
As was said before: http://moe.lfs-tracker.de/ take a look here. The only car being able to stop only three times was the car with the biggest fuel consumption. Also, some more figures: We compared the FZR's WR at that time (dunno if it has improved since) with the fastest quali lap of an XRR which was ~2s slower than the FZR WR and ~.5s quicker than the XRR WR at that time.
In the first 3 hairpins and the last turn alone, the XRR lost 1s. In the 4th hairpin (T4, very tight and slow) it lost another .45s. The rest of the time it lost in the rest of the turns in which the FZR was about 5kph quicker each time. And now to your setup concerns: The XRR set was a pure qualifying set which needed ajustments for the race that made it slower and yet it did not last for a full hour. The FZR set was a hotlap set as well. Only it needed very little adjustments for the race, was almost as quick as the WR AND lasted for a full tank, being about 1:02h.
And rest assured, teams do practice and do develop setups for these MoE events because they do take pride in finishing well there. We will have a bit more comparison data coming Saturday as a German league will organize a 6h event in which a quick XRR is entered as well as a very quick FZR. That will be run at AS GP which should help the XRR make its tires last longer, so we will see how that pans out. I'd bet my money on the FZR stopping once more than the XRR and yet winning it comfortably.
Being a demo racer you should simply read a bit more before posting if you cant say anything based on your own experience. The FZR is not only the fastest but also uses its tires the best. So please either get S2 and try it yourself or just keep out of this discussion because you simply don't have any knowledge that you could bring into the discussion.
A last time: we don't want the cars to be all very similar and we don't want them to drive all the same.
What we do want is cars that can compete with each other given a series of different races at different tracks. We want a situation in that car 1 is the fastest at track A, but slower than the others at track B and again a different situation at track C. That way we hope to see more of a variety of cars being used. And mind you, I don't give a damn about the usual punters running AS National with 5 lappers all day, I'm thinking organized events.
I challenge your, or anyone for that matter to build setups for the FXR that gets it as quick as the FZR on any track (keeping WR time in mind). If you make it, I'll pay you 500,- EUR.
If you are still thinking the differences between the cars are only down to setups, you don't belong in this thread.
What we do want is cars that can compete with each other given a series of different races at different tracks. We want a situation in that car 1 is the fastest at track A, but slower than the others at track B and again a different situation at track C. That way we hope to see more of a variety of cars being used. And mind you, I don't give a damn about the usual punters running AS National with 5 lappers all day, I'm thinking organized events.
I challenge your, or anyone for that matter to build setups for the FXR that gets it as quick as the FZR on any track (keeping WR time in mind). If you make it, I'll pay you 500,- EUR.
If you are still thinking the differences between the cars are only down to setups, you don't belong in this thread.
There is no other way to read this than that you are expecting a S3 alpha.
About beta tests:
You might have noticed that LFSW did not get reset when patch S/T/U was released.
Second: what we discussed in beta testing is nothing that belongs into the public, otherwise we would discuss it openly.
Betatesting also doesn't mean you cannot state your opinion openly and stating your opinion opnely again doesnt mean that a betatester didnt do so internally or is not allowed to do so.Right, he purposely did so to be put out of the race because he was running third and had a chance to win. Makes total sense.
You might wanna check LFS' credits.
Don't take it for granted we're getting a S3 alpha only because we have a S2 alpha.
Well, if you are saying "(maybe) after s2 final", what is there other than S3?
Col: you are saying balancing should be done for real only when the physics are done. They won't be done until S3, so you are also saying no balancing until then.
col: you are suggesting no changes before S3. And S3 might very well be 3-4 years away. Not changing anything would be a big put off for new and existing customers and thus be a bad marketing choice.
He has also quite bluntly stated that he would not have a problem with Kimi. He also has said so before about other drivers.
Besides, he will retire at the end of the year anyways.
Besides, he will retire at the end of the year anyways.
It is one of the main factors. There is a .45s difference between the FZR and XRR in one single corner in AS North (the tight hairpain). The FZR has torque right away, the XRR does not due to its huge turbo lag. Without the stupid turbo but a nice N/A engine, the XRR would be much closer to the FZR.
Mass is great to balance cars if they are pretty equal to begin with. Like in WTCC. But as Carlos said you'd need quite a bit of weight added to the FZR and you are not really trying to tell me 100-150kg of weight dont change the handling characteristics, do you? Also, making the FXR leighter does not change its fundamental topspeed problem which is where it loses most of its time. It will still run out of power because it loses so much of it in the three differentials it has.
Weight is not a no brainer. It is a simingly easy way out for a complex problem which brings up new problems.
Why is there a problem with resetting them?
There is quite a bit more options:
1. Centre of Gravity
2. Trackwidth
3. Wheelbase
4. Tiresizes
5. Weight balance
6. Weight
7. Engine construction
1, 2, 4 are directly responsible for cornering speeds. 3 and 5 are responsible for the behaviour through a turn. 6 of course is important for cornering speeds, topspeeds and tire usage. 7 is responsible for how good a car accelerates.
The FZR on the WR hotlap on AS North is 5kph faster through turns than the XRR was in qualifying were the fastest XRR set a lap quicker than the WR at that time. That means that despite factor 6 being the same on both cars, the FZR has big advantages here. Personally, I think it has the much better centre of gravity.
We are in the great position that unlike league organizers, we can directly work with car manufacturer in a way that all of the above factors can be changed. That way we can work with the cars for a while until they fit into the phantasy tech regulations which state a minimum dry weight of 1100kg. It is the more sophisticated method of balancing the cars which promises better results.
If you just change the weight or the power of course you might get the same results in the end, but the side effects like tire usage and fuel consumption will be much worse.
Ballast is not the best option if we have more options to change the imbalance. Ballast is a last resort to change things.
I agree it would be nice to have the weight option for leagues, but I'd rather have a ballanced class from the start.
I agree it would be nice to have the weight option for leagues, but I'd rather have a ballanced class from the start.
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