Yes. In are only those listed in the attachment above.
Bawbag: yes, but we most probably won't have the startscript.
Tzive: it's the same, I just wanted to concentrate discussions a bit.
Tzive: it's the same, I just wanted to concentrate discussions a bit.
Test Race August 19, 2007: Participants and more Info
So, here it is, in the attachement you can see those cars that are allowed to enter. If you entered and were not chosen that does not mean you cannot apply for an invitation for the actual MoE season. However, you will need to convince us. 
Please make sure that you use the following for your name when driving:
GT1 F.Lastname
GT2 F.Lastname
Drivers MUST use their real names.
Qualifying will be on the server, duration half an hour and we will use standing start. There will be a short break between qualifying, which will start at 19:00 CET and the actual race.
Application for invitation for the actual MoE season will be opened shortly after the test, as soon as we discussed the final settings of the classes.
Please make sure that you use the following for your name when driving:
GT1 F.Lastname
GT2 F.Lastname
Drivers MUST use their real names.
Qualifying will be on the server, duration half an hour and we will use standing start. There will be a short break between qualifying, which will start at 19:00 CET and the actual race.
Application for invitation for the actual MoE season will be opened shortly after the test, as soon as we discussed the final settings of the classes.
No, you won't need number plates. Remember this is a test race. The only requirement will be this:
We are closing applications right now, as we have 34 entries, as can be seen below. Teams who havent told us their driver names yet, pls do so asap. We need the LFSWorld nicks as well, especially since we do need to do a screening to see who can race and who cannot, this can almost only be done via lfsworld.
If there are any more questions, feel free to ask. Qualifying will be a short session right before the race.
We are closing applications right now, as we have 34 entries, as can be seen below. Teams who havent told us their driver names yet, pls do so asap. We need the LFSWorld nicks as well, especially since we do need to do a screening to see who can race and who cannot, this can almost only be done via lfsworld.
If there are any more questions, feel free to ask. Qualifying will be a short session right before the race.
This is the preliminary list of applications. Where I have put a "?", we need more input. Please remember, we reserve the right to reject applications.
We are still looking for further applications!
Clownpaint: If we are not over the 30 car limit (and the 20 car class limit), yes, it's possible to enter multiple cars. We might take the liberty to admit other cars, though, if more teams want a chance. And pls, folks, state what car you are gonna use.
It's open for anyone, see it as a chance to prove yourself as a MoE-capable race.
We reserve the right to reject applications, though.
We reserve the right to reject applications, though.
Guys, this is a test race, nothing to get too excited about. We simply need some more input about class balance. I doubt this will be detrimental to any league activities.
Oops, forgot about BOTT and the track.
Okay, we'll move the race forward a week and the track will be Kyoto National.
Okay, we'll move the race forward a week and the track will be Kyoto National.
Test Race August 19, 2007
We'll have a test race on August 19, 2007 at 19:00 CET (summertime).
The specs for GT2 are, since noone felt compelled to comment on them so far, as posted earlier:
FXR (36% air restrictor), XRR (33% air restrictor), and FZR (29% air restrictor)
Race duration will be 2h. Teams can use multiple drivers, but there is no need to. This race is simply for test purposes, so there will not be the usual coverage. If you want to take part, pls post in this thread, also post, which car you want to use (including the differentiation between GT1 and 2). We will allow for 30 cars. No class can consist of more than 20 cars.
The specs for GT2 are, since noone felt compelled to comment on them so far, as posted earlier:
FXR (36% air restrictor), XRR (33% air restrictor), and FZR (29% air restrictor)
Race duration will be 2h. Teams can use multiple drivers, but there is no need to. This race is simply for test purposes, so there will not be the usual coverage. If you want to take part, pls post in this thread, also post, which car you want to use (including the differentiation between GT1 and 2). We will allow for 30 cars. No class can consist of more than 20 cars.
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Well, yes, sorry for not mentioning that you suggested them to us. We'd just like to have a bit more input before taking the next step.
Two Class Racing It Is!
The poll showed it that the majority wants two class racing, so we will do that. Now we just need to clarify in which way, with restricted GTRs or the FWD GTRs.
These are the restriction values we are thinking about:
FXR (36% air restrictor), XRR (33% air restrictor), and FZR (29% air restrictor)
Pls do test those values and give us feedback. When we have that, we will do a test race.
These are the restriction values we are thinking about:
FXR (36% air restrictor), XRR (33% air restrictor), and FZR (29% air restrictor)
Pls do test those values and give us feedback. When we have that, we will do a test race.
No disrespect to our participating teams, but out of what hat are we supposed to pull more teams on the level of tHUNder, Cyber, SK, pod, Mercury, 1st, #low and n!faculty? There has been a severe drop off from the top of the field before and I seriously doubt with the increase of teams in the grid that this drop off will be less severe. I'd rather have a second class with another set of competitive teams competing for their championship than folks being not able to run at the same speed as the leaders and thus losing the fun in racing.
(disclaimer: this was a statement from a driver's point of view, not an admin's).
As said before, that is not an argument in this discussion. Especially you with your experience and high level of driving should be able to cope with such a situation if you used your brain. People may not be used to two class racing atm, they will be after this season. If there are nasty accidents, there will be nasty penalties, simple as that. Rest assured that we will closely monitor such situations and use the appropriate measures in order to reduce them to the unavoidable minimum that we have right now as well with one class racing.
Two Class Racing in MoE
As you are most probably aware, we are toying with the idea of two class racing in the upcoming season. However, contrary to other statements earlier, we are not finally decided on the matter.
The idea was brought up to use weight and power restrictions for the regular GTR class in order to create a GT2 class. While this idea sounded great at first, we are not really confident it can result in an enjoyable experience. The downforce and mechanical grip levels will remain the same, making the GT2 class most probably somewhat boring to drive and presenting problems with passing for GT1 as cornering speeds for both classes would be just as high.
Using the FWD GTR would be the simplest way, though there are concerns about FWD being the right drivetrain choice for a second class in MoE. The votes in favor of any two class racing will be counted together against those votes that are against two class racing.
Time differences and the danger of slower cars being driven of the track is not really one of our concerns. We are looking for high level of racecraft in our teams anyways and such racecraft would also consist of having respect for slower cars and being able to wide a corner or three to lap a slower class car (or any car for that matter). Therefore all teams and their drivers applying for MoE should be capable of handling such situations.
However, we would like to have a general overview of the opinions, which is why we are giving this poll. It will not be binding for us, we just want some tendencies in what people want. So vote away.
The poll closes in 21 days and is public.
The idea was brought up to use weight and power restrictions for the regular GTR class in order to create a GT2 class. While this idea sounded great at first, we are not really confident it can result in an enjoyable experience. The downforce and mechanical grip levels will remain the same, making the GT2 class most probably somewhat boring to drive and presenting problems with passing for GT1 as cornering speeds for both classes would be just as high.
Using the FWD GTR would be the simplest way, though there are concerns about FWD being the right drivetrain choice for a second class in MoE. The votes in favor of any two class racing will be counted together against those votes that are against two class racing.
Time differences and the danger of slower cars being driven of the track is not really one of our concerns. We are looking for high level of racecraft in our teams anyways and such racecraft would also consist of having respect for slower cars and being able to wide a corner or three to lap a slower class car (or any car for that matter). Therefore all teams and their drivers applying for MoE should be capable of handling such situations.
However, we would like to have a general overview of the opinions, which is why we are giving this poll. It will not be binding for us, we just want some tendencies in what people want. So vote away.
The poll closes in 21 days and is public.
Wanted: Additional Admins
We are looking for more folks to help on the admin team. The current team is as enthusiastic as always about the upcoming season, however, most of us are in job or study situations where it doesn't allow us to put as much effort into the organization as we would like to, especially when it comes to race weekends.
So, if you are interested in joining the organization team for one of the more profiled racing series in LFS, pls let us know at admins _@_ mastersofendurance.eu.
You should be willing to invest time in organizational matters as well as being ready to serve as admin during the race weekend (see the schedule for the most likely dates). Previous experience as admin is welcome, but not absolutely necessary. Fluent English is, however. General knowledge of the LFS scene is also a necessity.
So, if you are interested in joining the organization team for one of the more profiled racing series in LFS, pls let us know at admins _@_ mastersofendurance.eu.
You should be willing to invest time in organizational matters as well as being ready to serve as admin during the race weekend (see the schedule for the most likely dates). Previous experience as admin is welcome, but not absolutely necessary. Fluent English is, however.
General knowledge of the LFS scene is also a necessity.Preliminary Schedule for 2007/2008
In preparation for the upcoming season, we have decided on a preliminary schedule.
Also, we introduced South City Long to the calendar, let's see how the endurance teams hold up in the close confines of a city track.
Please, do not apply for MoE yet, this will be done in a seperate thread with more information. If you have any questions, pls use admins _@_ mastersofendurance.eu and not PMs since the email-address will reach all of us admins, not just one as a PM.
- 12h of Kyoto: September 29
- 6h of South City Long: October 27
- Westhill 6h: November 24
- 24h of Aston: January 19
- Blackwood 6h: March 1
- 6h of Kyoto: April 5
Also, we introduced South City Long to the calendar, let's see how the endurance teams hold up in the close confines of a city track.
Please, do not apply for MoE yet, this will be done in a seperate thread with more information. If you have any questions, pls use admins _@_ mastersofendurance.eu and not PMs since the email-address will reach all of us admins, not just one as a PM.
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Belain: we _are_ thinking about doing something like that, but we do need input from you guys in respect to first tests so we can set the power for gt2 at a decent level and not having to reassess stuff during that little race.
We are aware of these issues, Paul. We are currently planing to have the hotlapping as a first basis and then conduct a few short test races to figure out the rest.
Call for Testing: Class Balancing
This is a call for testing by the teams.
We need to find some general basis for the class balance. We want to do this early even though there might be changes in the overall game until the season starts.
For now, we would like to do the following:
For GT1 class we need to find out the existing balance the way the game provides it.
For GT2 class, we are aiming ar around 400hp for the cars and then do some necessary adjustments.
Therefore, we would like to ask you guys to do some hotlapping with these configurations (and in all cars) to see how we end up. Pls keep to Kyoto National and Aston North, that should give us a good mix for track characteristics without you having to do 2:40min laptimes.
We are still thinking about having some multiplayer testing this upcoming weekend, but havent finally decided on it yet.
We need to find some general basis for the class balance. We want to do this early even though there might be changes in the overall game until the season starts.
For now, we would like to do the following:
For GT1 class we need to find out the existing balance the way the game provides it.
For GT2 class, we are aiming ar around 400hp for the cars and then do some necessary adjustments.
Therefore, we would like to ask you guys to do some hotlapping with these configurations (and in all cars) to see how we end up. Pls keep to Kyoto National and Aston North, that should give us a good mix for track characteristics without you having to do 2:40min laptimes.
We are still thinking about having some multiplayer testing this upcoming weekend, but havent finally decided on it yet.
We might be trying to have LFS-TV, if our live coverage folks are okay with it, that should solve the team manager issues.
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