Heh, had to check this one out...


666 MB :evil:

Pool6 and originally pole position, but had to skip the event. Sorry for the reported inconvenience, especially to those racers who lost potential points because of me.

(It's easy to pose afterwards, but I would have kicked everybody's bumpers with my "superior" setups and pit-tactics Feel free to challenge me for a re-run. )

Quote from Forbin :

...was pretty decent with it once I learned how to make a setup that would compensate for the binary throttle and brake.

Hmm.. now, where was that pc-adapter for good ol' TAC-2... ;D

It's all about learning. I use MS Sidewinder non-ff stick and I find it rather smooth. The fact that I get smoked a lot comes from the fact that I don't have enough experience. Wheel might or might not improve my times, but driving and training will surely do. Only problems with 'stick are that longer races with relatively few turns and braking points tend to tire my hand (I use y-axis as gas/brakes).

Hmm.. maybe those settings need a bit more work... Didn't crash though

I just wonder why doesn't people complain that they don't receive chassis, seat, seatbelts, driving suit and helmet with LFS although they have paid for simulator. (Or do they come with S3? )

It actually doesn't matter if the "physics" of the game are flawed when comparing to real life, when the talk is about the game. It's the game we play, so from that point of view the bugs are actually features and they have to be learned in order to be competitive. If the features seem dull, well then maybe should consider playing something else. Besides it's easy to blame "bugs" or "flaws" if one just doesn't have the patience to learn the game. "Stupid game 'cause the rules are too complex for me."

I'm definitely not saying that the "features" shouldn't be "fixed" or that LFS shouldn't be developed to be "better". But when a patch that changes e.g. physics comes, things has to be relearned to be competitive again (or at least, such as in my case, to be able to drive without utter frustration). That's the name of the game. Adopt, adapt and improve. Complaining won't help.

It's perfectly acceptable (from game's point of view) to use features, such as high-nosed thingees or locked diff's (ofcourse smaller community can set "gentlemen's rules" that forbid those). When those things change with further patches, I'm quite sure that many people will complain that their knowledge of the game physics has to be relearned. Tough.

Those who complain just don't have the skills for the game or just are too short-sighted to know better. The secret (or so it seems to be) is that instead of complaining, making suggestions - that hasn't been already made for dozens of times - might bring more positive response.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I think there's been a general shortage of letter "E"s since the advent of the world wide web. What with email, ecommerce, e-banking, e-government and so on, there just aren't enough letter "E"s left over for the words that traditionally employed them.

It won't actually stop there. Most uses of letter 'e' in making busines look better (e-PR) actually say nothing to most people. Those confused people also use lots of 'e' letters.. "Eeee... what?"
Nothing wrong with 'Xclusive' if it's pronounced correctly (that is, actually without the 'e')

Quote from Vendetta :

Well, you shouldnt be driving in the grass anyway!

What, you mean I should drive on tarmac?

Now where's the sport in that?

May this be a warning to every boy and girl out there driving Aston Cadet with MRT.

Only way out was tele-pitting. With space I got resetted back to being stucked.

I listen netradios while at work.

Radio Helsinki at mornings, Kohina at afternoons.

If I really need to concentrate into my work, then I choose Bluemars or Cryosleep (both ambient). Sometimes Chromanova (psy-goatrance).

Crappy rock can be heard from old-school radios all the time and good one isn't broadcasted.

Quote from Blowtus :

if 'acceptance of the game laws' was all that was needed for a good game, you wouldn't see all of these games having patches produced at sizeable cost to the companies developing them lfs is enjoyable for many because of the relation it bears to 'real life' racing.

Well yes of course. What I meant was that the relation to 'real life' racing is one of the reasons why someone would accept the gamelaws in the first place Another reason could be the knowledge that further patches are coming and the game improves in it's relation to 'rl racing'. No-one is forced (at least I hope so) to accept the current set of laws the game has to offer. I mean that players can only accept or not accept the laws, as well as suggest improvements instead of demanding them. Of course the discussion should be open to all points of view, but it should be noted that the community can't control the coders unless they want them to. And in that case I'm pretty sure they tell so themselves

I know this could go a way off-topic but still..

I see the "physics" like this: LFS is a (or "the" ) game and games tend to have their own "physics", set of laws that govern the borders where the game can be played. Game's laws are kind of global set, where each individual player carves subsets to suit their "needs". If grip is low at low speeds, then it is: it's player's concern to take that into notice if she/he wants to be competitive within the game's global laws.

Simulation can't be the reality, because then it wouldn't be simulation anymore. Mainly it's in player's head and the outlines of the game aren't actually that important. At least I've (nearly) fallen of my chair when crashing in Pit Stop 2 and also when I've been deep into fighting positions in LFS-race and crashing suddenly. I know this can provoke, but at least I'm hooked if any game offers that "magic" that gets me into the Zone and can't be described.

LFS is an ongoing project. I accept that. LFS isn't my project. I accept that too. I accept everything that belongs to LFS (and not just the concrete things, but abstracts as well). If I wouldn't accept a single thing, I wouldn't be playing it. That doesn't mean I like everything, but I have to accept the global set of "LFS-laws" so that I can find my own subset from it. When further patches come, I'll just adjust my subset according to the changed global set. Adopt, adapt and improve. I'm not a god of this game. I accept that fully. I'm just a pawn that has come to play at the pantheons playgrounds. I don't have shackles, but it's their ground, their laws, their rules.

As a codeslave I hate when someone who doesn't understand the environment I'm coding (or don't understand the actual coding itself) comes with only demands and who won't help the coding in any other way. I also hate when in mid-project someone is "forced" into codeteam without consulting us, the original coders. I admire the trio behind LFS for doing what they want. Wish I could too. At least I can give my supports to them.

Wish I made some sense. I tend easily tend to slip, drift and rant unclearly

I was driving Aston Historic with FOX and failed to handle the first chicane, so I spinned into right wall and went thru' it.

Here's a replay, the incident happens during hotlapping and at first go at that chicane. Replay ends when I automatically returned to track (I believe that is a feature: you get autoreturn to track if diving too deep into off-track textures, right?).

Oh, and same thing happened when I had saved the attached replay and went for another hotlap. That also wasn't intentional.

Quote from Huru-aito :

And, of course, one Finnish track: Ahvenisto. Both tracks, tarmac and rallycross.

Aah, Ahvenisto... Considering the political athmosphere that has ruled Hämeenlinna for decades, it's a little miracle that Ahvenisto still exists... Never raced it, but had my "dark hours driving session" in driving school there.

Ok, maybe bit off topic, but just had to rant about it for..

From the moment I unlocked S2, the LX4 and LX6 have been the Ones. I'm so much in love with them, that I still haven't driven but few laps with them. I want to raise my level of driving skill before I hop into them. I really don't want to wreck them. They're... everything.

They're kind of my garages jewels. Just polishing and mending, 'till I'm fully prepared.

Kind of mental illepall

Scawen has a point there, but also this kind of "statistic" is useful only for this timeframe (for example a year from now this data has only "historical" value). That kind of narrows the number '2' method out..

However, doesn't lfs-world hold (optional) date-of-birth -data? That could be used to view the age-structure...

But then again, what does it matter? Some are too young for irl driving license, some are way over the hill (and still not braking). This kind of age-of-players -representation tends to put an unnecessary label.

But heck, what do I know, I'm just a rookie and these "polls" don't bother me.

Gonna go driving now...

Quote from v4forlife :

ha ha ha, all i wanted was a quick hand, and i get a 20 post thread, lol

The geek factor

Quote from Shotglass :

pretty deep ... i guess the only way to creat a random number is to find a chaotic process whos chaotic nature is a direct cause of some quantumphysical event that has equiprobable outcomes ... apart from that i cant see any easy ways to create a truly redundancy free sequence

Krhmm... chaos isn't actually random. It just might be complex enough

Human is as good source of random as anything else, if the method of selecting numbers isn't known. But very true, this gets very easily "deep". Been studying it for couple of years now... Cyco me..illepall


Oh, one more thing about chaos. It's generally generated with mathematical functions so it's predictable kind of same way as any outcome from mathematical function with given input.

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My moped:

Intel Celeron 2.5GHz (w/ 400MHz bus)
Abit BH-7
1*512 MB RAM (running at 233MHz, thanks to outdated processor )
Club3D ATi Radeon 9200
Two 120mm casefans to keep things cool
SB Live 5.1
W98SE
LG Flatron F700B
1M/512k ADSL
Epson keyboard (originally from a 386 )
MS SideWinder 2-button stick

7th year in U... keeps budget pretty low...

Well, I manage with 2,5GHz Celeron with disgustingly poor motherboard and 9200 budget-ati. Just tune graphics level if it bogs. But the again, I've been playing since 80's so I'm more into playability and contents than graphical looks. (It also builds patience and character Sure it's grand if lfs looks great, but what's (a way) more important is the feeling. Don't know if current configuration will cause lower fps with more than 8 racers, but so far no problems encountered..

26. Dethclock says I live to be 75, so I'm on my second section...