Maybe we should add this date option to the LFS feature request list.
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Careful. That's meant to be a secret.
To be fair it was asking for trouble given the attention this thread is getting. Who gave the infraction?
I've never really worried about infractions up till recently, but what is the limit/threshold, out of interest? I couldn't find much on the topic.
I've never really worried about infractions up till recently, but what is the limit/threshold, out of interest? I couldn't find much on the topic.
Absolutely...From the publics point of view, it can plant the seed of doubt about what's really going on and why such action was warranted.
Victor and Scawen's approach (to criticism) has been consistently fair and transparent over the years, but this is disparaging and certainly a disappointingly precedent.
Damned if you do... damned if you don't. 
The point was that the original posts that were objected to in the PM remain, while the apology and references to <is it safe to say> participation in the forum have been deleted, like its some major secret or embarrassment.
Maybe I should email Julian Assange.
The point was that the original posts that were objected to in the PM remain, while the apology and references to <is it safe to say> participation in the forum have been deleted, like its some major secret or embarrassment.
Maybe I should email Julian Assange.
WOW! 
What can I say. Too much apparently. All gone... Even my polite apology was deleted.
I'm not sure what it has really achieved other than attract further attention and open old wounds. It appears my post count has dropped, so I guess they were really deleted along with any related quoting posts. Interesting that it's not a first. Must have missed that memo.
At least a few people seen it else people would be wondering WTF happened.
It's their game/forum to do what they want... It's just bad PR IMO.
What can I say. Too much apparently. All gone... Even my polite apology was deleted. I'm not sure what it has really achieved other than attract further attention and open old wounds. It appears my post count has dropped, so I guess they were really deleted along with any related quoting posts. Interesting that it's not a first. Must have missed that memo.
At least a few people seen it else people would be wondering WTF happened.
It's their game/forum to do what they want... It's just bad PR IMO.
You would have thought in 4+ years that something was able to be released.
It's hard to comprehend the decisions the devs make in light of the obvious community frustration.
It's hard to comprehend the decisions the devs make in light of the obvious community frustration.
I'm fairly sure the numbers are insignificant to those waiting for NEW developments.
It's great that an old version is still supported, but if they want to stimulate the community while we wait, why not just release a bit of content that would please far more.
Some things are better left unsaid, regardless of the negative posts that brought it on. It's probably not typical of his character, but the few posts he has made to date, make it difficult to decide otherwise.
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Two years ago... 21st February 2009, 00:40
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1079954#post1079954
Eric's attitude is towards the community is disturbing. It's a truly saddening post, that I hoped was just a temporary frustrated rant. But it wasn't retracted or softened.
Up till now I've refrained from drawing attention to the post, given the further anger it generates in the community. But two years have past and things are the same. I think Scawen is very determined to get the physics done and when released, it will be an achievement to be proud of and witness. But it wont be the LFS resurrection we all so dearly hoped for. Simply because the foundation of community that generated and supported LFS popularity, was sacrificed out of ignorance.
There will plenty who disagree with this previously unpopular view, but it's entertaining to see the very ones calling for patience only a year ago, now complaining too.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1079954#post1079954
Eric's attitude is towards the community is disturbing. It's a truly saddening post, that I hoped was just a temporary frustrated rant. But it wasn't retracted or softened.
Up till now I've refrained from drawing attention to the post, given the further anger it generates in the community. But two years have past and things are the same. I think Scawen is very determined to get the physics done and when released, it will be an achievement to be proud of and witness. But it wont be the LFS resurrection we all so dearly hoped for. Simply because the foundation of community that generated and supported LFS popularity, was sacrificed out of ignorance.
There will plenty who disagree with this previously unpopular view, but it's entertaining to see the very ones calling for patience only a year ago, now complaining too.
I'm fairly sure Scawen has said in the past that VW aren't veto'ing the release. It would be hard to measure such a "it's safe" requirement anyway. As Bean0 said, (being a "sim") the limited setup options will likely mimic the the real VW, so maybe options like the ride height, gear ratios, diff etc will be fixed.
It's a good point to consider.
Does the feedback disadvantage outweigh the advantage of infinite practice and 0 consequences and should the difference be compensated in the simulation?
Irrelevant and off topic. I made my point and few would give a hoot about some loose definition to justify your contradictory remarks.
When I read that too, I thought it was a strange. I'm sure it's just a bad choice of words.
illepallIt's frustrating to see it's taken this long to acknowledge the mistake of delaying content, specially when you consider it was a commonly raised issue before they embarked on physics and tyre updates.
Given this revelation, it would be reasonably safe to say there won't be anything new that wasn't announced, so you really have to ponder whether the pending small content update will be enough to keep the LFS afloat.
Personally I don't think it will be enough. When we eventually see the patch, we'll see a spike/flood of old players return for a month. They'll try out the one new track/car and the new physics and shelve it again, as the reality is that the physics updates aren't going to radically change the appeal of the existing tracks. And the blaring fact is LFS won't survive another 3 years of content stagnation. Lets hope in light of the admission, they decide to develop/release some more fictitious cars/tracks that won't be subject to the physics updates and breath some desperately needed life into the community.
You would agree then, there's limits to everything. Unfortunately the reality is this endeavour is no doubt supported by sales and at some point (if not already) it becomes unsustainable without revenue.
Given this revelation, it would be reasonably safe to say there won't be anything new that wasn't announced, so you really have to ponder whether the pending small content update will be enough to keep the LFS afloat.
Personally I don't think it will be enough. When we eventually see the patch, we'll see a spike/flood of old players return for a month. They'll try out the one new track/car and the new physics and shelve it again, as the reality is that the physics updates aren't going to radically change the appeal of the existing tracks. And the blaring fact is LFS won't survive another 3 years of content stagnation. Lets hope in light of the admission, they decide to develop/release some more fictitious cars/tracks that won't be subject to the physics updates and breath some desperately needed life into the community.
You would agree then, there's limits to everything. Unfortunately the reality is this endeavour is no doubt supported by sales and at some point (if not already) it becomes unsustainable without revenue.
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To be frank, while the mystery surrounding lack of content is left unanswered, questions of truth, honesty and so on will keep perpetuating.
To date the topic of content has largely been avoided and skirted around with vague details, which sound more like excuses to cover up the true situation, be it bad or good. I know that sounds harsh, but Eric's contempt for the community and continue silence breeds mistrust, which really tarnishes Scawen and Victors contributions.
It's truly astounding that not a single screenshot has been presented to show progress apparently made with content, yet we're expected to simply believe it has or is happening.
The devs need to consider their future prospects, in respect to LFS and they need to instil some serious faith in the community. At the moment it sounds like the typical "the dog ate my homework" excuse.
The few LFS players left aren't expecting free content or other updates.
My friend we were screaming about this late 2008, but told to shut up. Labelled as pessimists and moaners, I tired of paying considerable money for local hosting and seeing 'F' all from the devs to correct the content situation.
It's inevitable. The decline was first outside the EU and now spread to the home of LFS.
I'd like to think another patch will save LFS, but unless it's something special, no one with an ounce of common sense is going to invest the time or the money to provide the community with quality servers/comps.
Nothing will change unless the devs take action.
Clearly the devs don't think there is an issue. Everything is okay (aspiration/goal wise) apparently if their posts are to be believed.
But that's irrelevant from a customers point of view, which is clearly being expressed here. Expectations generated are very much the doing of the devs. They certainly weren't conjured up out of thin air, so labelling them as "your own" is just nonsense.
Regardless of who's expectations, aspiration and goals, the obvious fact is, the once thriving community has evaporated due to neglect. That's a big failing in the eyes of many disappointed (ex)LFS players here, who are concerned about development and the future of LFS as a whole.
Some people have short memories. (28th June 2008, 01:55)
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=842674#post842674
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=842674#post842674
It's nice to see some effort by Scavier to engage with the community. I'm sure the community at large appreciates this and hope to see this more often.
While the above statement alludes to a group decision, this contradicts previous responses about Eric's output by Scavier, where he said they each have independent control of their respective areas.
I fail to see the Eric's sense in holding back content. It's irrational and frankly a stupid decision business wise. It the biggest single source of community discontent with LFS and the key to any hope of reviving LFS.
Frankly it takes five seconds to post a screen shot or two, yet we've nothing in years. Not a single shread of evidence to support the claimed amount of new content on the horizon.
It's times like this when I feel for Scavier and Victor who reluctantly face the community and bare the brunt of Eric's stranglehold of LFS.
A - The contact spot moves to the front upon acceleration and towards the rear upon braking.
While the above statement alludes to a group decision, this contradicts previous responses about Eric's output by Scavier, where he said they each have independent control of their respective areas.
I fail to see the Eric's sense in holding back content. It's irrational and frankly a stupid decision business wise. It the biggest single source of community discontent with LFS and the key to any hope of reviving LFS.
Frankly it takes five seconds to post a screen shot or two, yet we've nothing in years. Not a single shread of evidence to support the claimed amount of new content on the horizon.
It's times like this when I feel for Scavier and Victor who reluctantly face the community and bare the brunt of Eric's stranglehold of LFS.
A - The contact spot moves to the front upon acceleration and towards the rear upon braking.
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WOW Take a chill pill guys! Tis Xmas time.
It's not about waiting. It's about accepting it's all over.
The great LFS experiment started off great, but it has gone the way of the Amiga Inc and is now obsolete. The devs lost focus on what mattered. Those who remain here cling onto nostalgic memories and won't accept it's all over until Scawen says so.
The reality is if we ever see a patch, what happens after that? Are we going to wait another 4 years for the next one with some actual content?
It's not about waiting. It's about accepting it's all over.
The great LFS experiment started off great, but it has gone the way of the Amiga Inc and is now obsolete. The devs lost focus on what mattered. Those who remain here cling onto nostalgic memories and won't accept it's all over until Scawen says so.
The reality is if we ever see a patch, what happens after that? Are we going to wait another 4 years for the next one with some actual content?
If you were the betting type, you wouldn't be putting any money on a LFS resurrection.
While there's no hard supporting evidence, the tid-bits of information given allude to a complete stagnation of development and a loss of interest in LFS. If in fact that's the case, then logically the devs would have zero interest in acknowledging the true fate of LFS and prefer to milk the remaining sales, until the community collapses.
While there's no hard supporting evidence, the tid-bits of information given allude to a complete stagnation of development and a loss of interest in LFS. If in fact that's the case, then logically the devs would have zero interest in acknowledging the true fate of LFS and prefer to milk the remaining sales, until the community collapses.
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