Quote from flymike91 :

I don't have a personal problem with homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle but when it tries to become the normal lifestyle and becomes legally imposed upon traditional communities, I get a little agitated. The main argument for prop 8 is that California will become like Massachusetts. In MA, children as young as 2nd grade are taught that it is as normal for a girl to marry a girl as a girl marrying a boy. This has caused sexual confusion (understandably) for some of those children. Parents cannot decide whether or not their child is subject to that lesson because it is part of Massachusetts state curriculum.

:slap:

And then you teach children as young as those ones (or even younger) that it's normal to believe on creationism

Don't worry... eventually you'll grow up (the cultural basis of your nation I mean)

Quote from Intrepid :

lol who cares? Let's face it Massa WILL win the title. If Hamilton doesn't choke something else will happen that loses him the title.

My Tip For the Race: Stay in bed!

But if you're in bed you'll not see Hamilton ruining his race in T1 again

Quote from Becky Rose :

You could do the same with infinity by measuring the hotness of Milla Jovovich (the 5th element).

So infinite is equal to zero then?

Quote from SamH :

I don't like the thought of it either, but it is bugging me that nobody's asked the question at all, for it to be played out and dismissed. I have this desire to hear people who are authoritative on the matter, completely dismiss it and give good reasons why Renault wouldn't/couldn't have done it.

Spanish press asked Alonso about it and obviously he said that no one would do that.
An accident it's an accident and it's always dangerous... maybe pressing a button on the wheel or stalling the engine in the middle of the track would be a more secure way

Raikkonen again :slap:

I'm falling down week by week

Quote from Migz :

Have you noticed it says viagra over most of the skins

As long as I race at the same league as them, yes, I know about the viagra sponsorship, but didn't notice the "chumino negro" (something like black snatch) skin yet . You can also spot Durex sticks in the cars... bunch of wankers those RTN's :biggrinfl

:bowdown::bowdown:

Lol at the "Mi chumino negro" skin :ices_rofl

I will fail one week more

But then at last I will improve my drivers...

Quote from G!NhO :

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=gJAAeAIX-8I


http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3FshOpPqj88 << toyota

And your Avatar reminds me this one

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=GyG3-rcwJkE

:bump:

Spiderman 3 - http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=gAWJkVdhDBQ :elefant:

You know... Ibiza... too many drugs

Quote from Klutch :

Sure, hit him with feedback about his car.

NOT his age and ability to drive.

Sorry again, but the topic title is about "FIRST car", so I think that he wants feedback about that car as first car being he young and without many experience out there on the road (I've been driving for 10 years now and I don't think I have much experience, and I see that when I was young with two years of experience I was over estimating me as many young people indeed does :nod.

So my advice is: Take care with that car, it can looks great for you (not for me, that's for sure) and don't think you're the best driver out there because you're not

Quote from Klutch :

You people really need to ****ing relax and let him have fun with his new toy, instead of worrying about someone elses life that lives halfway cross the world/country who has nothing to do with you.

Sorry, but since he comes to the forum to comment his new car it has something to do with us

I know... this thread is quite pointless but if he wants feedback about his new car why not be truthfully?

No one can beat japanese at making funny shows

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwM2hzprEY

The end of the video it's the best

Quote from evilpimp :

DFP is horrible especially for drifting for one reason. The FFB is SLOW. And if you try to counter steer too fast itll resist. I have a DFP and can not drift with it and it does feel unrealistic. My G25 on the other hand is perfect. Smooth, calm, silent, yet still strong when it needs to be.

If your using a G25 I've been told by real life drifters that went on LFS that the G25 is really really good for the FFB in LFS.

You're the first person I see saying that G25 is silent... I'm really happy with it, but silence it's not one of its virtues

I don't like that car at all... American muscle is just not my type of car

Quote from f4sttr@ck :

sir, u are quite ignorant, i have been driving different cars since i was 13 years old, and yes, i can, and will, handle it as well as anyone else in here.

Soon on LFS-Forum: "An stupid moron wreck on my Camaro. Not my fault, I handle it like a pro " a new thread by f234st€tr$673ck

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bf3cJRkeEqE

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

@RocksGT - Paddles aren't really a problem, some GTR cars have paddle shifts, but they don't have a clutch button.

Not in LFS. Either paddles nor clutch button. FZR has H shifter. XRR and XFR has stick. If you have a DFP and you use paddles instead of the stick for gearing in GTR's and stock you're choosing a hardware configuration more unrealistic than you could and one config that it's easier to master for better times
Is that unfair too?

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

You'd never stall your engine if they're using auto clutch with the clutch assigned to a button and its a disadvantage because its faster. Lokk at Zanini's AS North Rev/FO8 hotlap, he gains alot of time in the 3rd sector because the switches from 6th to 5th in the flick of a button where as someone with AC would have to let off the gas to change to 5th. Yes he might be using macro but BC is still basically the same, you can chnage down by pressing two buttons otgether instead of letting off the throttle.

I think you've misunderstood my post... sorry if my english is poor... trying to do my best

There's some people out there who look for realism and wants their engine to stall if they don't apply clutch correctly. The only way for this to happen is havin manual clutch. And some of that people do not have a third pedal to use axis clutch, so they use button clutch. And if they do HL they don't change their config (as many people do not HL with 720º on stock cars which is also an advantage in some situations, as rallyX combos).

And I started thinking of something... all the people who has a G25 (or similar wheel with clutch pedal an shifter)... it's fair from them using padles to shift? It's not supposed they may use shifter and manual axis clutch?

I think many of them do HL with padles because it's easier to get good times (speciallly on GTR's). Is it that not "unfair"?
Is the most common hardware configuration which says what is and what is not fair?

And I must say I'm one of them... I don't have many time to get used to shifter and manual and I prefer to use padles for races because I feel more confident... Am I racing unfair?

Quote from Flotch :

If people with a clutch pedal have an advantage, it is ok and very fair according to the skill level required. Using a bc requires no skill at all, and so is unfair compare to those who use a pedal, that is the point .

You're missing one point

LFS it's not all about HotLapping... some of us (in LFS-Spain community the vast majority of us) are focused in races (1 hour races).
There using manual clutch (even if it's via button for not having a third pedal) it's not an advantage at all.

If you go under-revs you'll stall your engine if you don't push the button, if you do a spin you'll stall your engine too... and there is people (like -M-) who wants to deal with those features...

In the other side... custom view it's not tyre view, nor an static view that do not change with driver position. I use custom view in order to adjust it in any car for perfect view of mirrors (yep... those that you don't need in HL, I really need them on races) for my FOV + screen resolution combination. And yes, I use to change driver position (never thought of that as an unfair advantage, mainly another setup option :shrug and I do change the custom view to adapt to the new position (I like viewing the "real" speedometer and revo).

So I can understand the problem about HL with clutch button, but there's people out there using button clutch for other reasons than a pair of tenths on HL

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

About my quote, if some of the spanish community want to upload cheated/unfair hotlaps then we should all drown them out and i stick with that, thats my personal opinion and im sticking with it. I think it was a fair comment.

Are button clutch hotlaps cheatd or unfair ones? If you think so then blame Scawen for allowing that as an option and not warning in-game that that feature is unfair and you should use AC if you don't have a clutch pedal

And don't forget to drawn everyone out there using button clutch, not only the three spanish racers

Quote from [DUcK] :

It had nothing to do with where they were from, Rocks. If it was a bunch of Aussie's doing it, then I'm sure Australia would have been branded as a 'cheating' country, but since it was mainly Spainiards doing it, that's why you guys got branded for it, nothing against the country. I'm sure arrechee is a fair sportsman, I've not seen him drive so I wouldn't know.

I will quote some things that were said about spanish racers at this thread, then you can see if there's a little flame against us or not

Quote from arco :

I can think of a few others as well. Also from Spain go figure...

Quote from tiagolapa :

Its not surprise your are spanish and of course friend of the cheaters. Maybe you are one to..

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

I rekon we should invade a combo the spanish communtiy have gone after get all the top drivers to beat them and drown them out...

Quote from aceracer :

Since Spanish drivers were singled out here, maybe an attempt to at least propose an explanation.

Quote from Biohazard :

aceracer is the first spaniard actually posting something useful in this thread.

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

ive been folowing this topic since the start and im suprised that even after this topic where its pretty clear you cant call it a cheat but it sertainly is, that som spanish guys keep using it comon find a life do it fair or not

yesterday again ky2r LX6 from daveWS was realy good, then the spanish guys com with this macro bullshit and just get 0.8 sec off it unfair $%#%$%....

Quote from SamH :

Seems the majority of people who ARE using this macro (and seem in some way to be doing it to SPITE the wider community now) are Spanish, but in fact that's largely irrelevent - though I'm sure you can see how it seems relevent, since people naturally generalise because "general" things are easier to conceive in the mind's eye. I'm glad to hear you point out that it isn't "the spanish community" as a body/group. Perhaps there is something you can do within the spanish community to encourage these people to reassess their practice?

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

If we are going to generalise then I would say that in general, most Spanish people on public servers fall off the track more often than people from the other nations, so the only thing this macro cheat will do is take them to their next accident that little bit faster.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Is it just me, or are all you spanish cheaters friends with each other? Do all Spanish cheat? Or do all Spanish people know other Spaniards??

Quote from BlueFlame :

You should see it on FPS games too, No wonder why .es has almost no pro gamer teams. Because at the LAN's obviously they can't use their Wallhacks when people can see them doing it.

Anyway. I would want to resume in this post what I've been saying through the thread:

- There are two big LFS communities at Spain. Liga Internacional LFS and LFS-Spain. I can only speak as member of the last one. A senior member but only a member, I'm not related to admin staff although I know them (as well as many of league members also at person, as we have made some meetings).

- As far as I know there are three racers at LFS-Spain using button-clutch: arrechee, Zanini and -M-. arrechee and -M- doesn't use the macro thing so calling them cheaters it's the same as calling cheaters the mouse users, people using less than 720º, or people using AC when they have a G25

- pecholobo and Aitorr don't participate at LFS-Spain, so I can't say anything about them but I wouldn't want people blaming LFS-Spain community for people who is not related to us

- No one have listed spanish button clutch users to stating that we are the majority of button clutch users out there, so that argument is void.

I don't have any problem with anyone in here, but I don't want you to have a false image of our community

Quote from [DUcK] :

Also the laps you chose to beat, weren't the 'fastest' of all hotlaps tbh. And since the charts are still a little "green", not every wr is hard to beat.

Are we missing the point maybe?

The community started discussing about the use of a macro for clutch button. Eventually it seems that "unfair" is the most correct word to describe it. Meanwhile some people accused some drivers of beating WR's because of the macro. Some people indeed tried to point at spanish community as a bunch of cheaters, but I'm not giving them any attention, I think we're far above that acuse-without-proves shit

As I know arrechee doesn't read LFS-Forum and I know he's a fair sportsman, I wanted to warn him for being accused and so he has the chance to speak in his name. And not only he'd never used the macro, he'd demonstrated he can beat WR's using AC (although in this thread -at least before arrechee comes- no one complains about manual clutch button :shrug, but now it seems that he can beat it because the current WR's are not top end and because he chooses easy combos :uglyhamme

Quote from arco :

Anyway, to keep hotlapping fair, each method should be equally fast. Or we need separate hotlap lists for each method.

And another separate one for mouse and keyboard users?
Do you think Mateusz's WR's are not fair? I don't mind if he is a mouse user because he don't have a wheel or beacuse he likes it more, he's an incredible hotlapper (and I'm a big fan for being the most rallyX's WR's holder :nod and I think he deserves fighting against wheel users too.

Button clutch is a hardware problem (not having a clutch pedal and want to use manual clutch) as it is mouse steering (not having a wheel and wanting analog steering).

I think it's time for Scawen to decide what to do. Obviously the macro should be removed or controlled in any way, maybe the AC need to be a little faster, maybe the manual a little slower...

Quote from Bawbag :

Judgeing from Flotch's post, only 4 of them are without "cheats"

You see now though, he's taken a couple of my XRG wr's which wern't to slow, but he's taken them both by under a tenth, makes a change from 7 tenths.......

I'd say that the difference is the time expended working in the combo

arrechee's WR's usually are the combinations for our weekly league race. Obviously one week hotlapping will bring a better WR than 4 days for 5 combos

Anyway... he has proven not to use the macro (and not to need it), I only hope that people get sure of what they say before accusing anyone of cheating