Quote from chanoman315 :

probably you dont, but what about pecholobo and zanini...

We don't know more about pecholobo than you do
Zanini also race at our league, but I don't know if he uses the macro or not.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I find it very odd that this is your first and only post on the forums.. By chance you seem to have gone on a thread where your name was mentioned. Is it just me, or are all you spanish cheaters friends with each other? Do all Spanish cheat? Or do all Spanish people know other Spaniards??

arrechee don't speak english, so he doesn't read this forum. I warned him that he has been named at this particular thread for using something considered unfair by the community. When I warned him I was convinced that he actually use the macro as some people were saying that as a fact and I know some people do a serious investigation of this topic.
But when I talked to him he said that he never used that macro and he barely know what I was talking about, believe or not, that's your problem

And yes, the spanish community are a big one and we know each others, but take a look at LFS-World and count how many spanish racers use clutch button. As far as I know there are three racers arrechee (who doesn't use the macro), -M- (who pretend to before this discussion raises and failed miserably at cheating :ices_rofl) and Zanini (that I sent a PM to him but I don't have any answer, maybe he didn't read it yet :shrug.
If you have a problem with spanish people and want to fingerpoint us at least show any prove of what you say

Quote from -M- :

What about me?

You DO NOT use the macro. Just a script for automatic clutch pressing at stick shifting, but (correct me if I'm wrong) if you don't set the button rate, there is no advantage (except not having to press the button in every shifting)

Quote from arco :

In earlier patches you could shift manually using a button clutch. You could preselect a gear of choice, and then press the clutch to do the shift. That's not possible anymore, as far as I know. Looking at his earlier hotlaps he was using autoclutch, so this switch to not using it seems to have happened quite recently.

As far as I know he come back to LFS after some months focused on his karting races, he changed his old PC and he started testing new configurations, views, etc... so it's possible he started with autoclutch and then moved to clutch button if he found it quicker or better for controlling the car . The only thing I know for sure is that he DO NOT use the macro. If anyone wants to accuse him for doing then he may show a better reason than LFS-World showing he uses button clutch and that he's beat a few WR's (he owns 3 at the moment).

Quote from arco :

Well, it's not easy finding someone that is 100% certain using macro, as they all deny it. But I think it's pretty certain that Pecholobo was using it, so I compared their hotlaps on AS1/UF1. If someone is using autoclutch, the graph would be at 100 on each shift. Here they are mostly faster than that.

There's a couple other things that I find strange. Like using hybrid tires all around and extremely strong brakes. Dunno what that's about...

They all don't deny it . Pecholobo has said that he use the macro and everyone trusted him. arreche says he doesn't and people still don't believe

If you find strong the arrechee's brakes take a look at Zanini's one... that man may have uber-sensitive foot for not locking tires in every braking . And the choice of hybrid in the UF1 it's very common, they heat faster and get better times by sliding the car a bit on the closed bendings

Quote from arco :

How does this work exactly? If he presses the clutch without lifting the throttle, there should be a rise in engine revs. I don't see that happening. And why can't they use autoclutch? It's been asked before, but no one seems to want to give an answer.

Well I don't know how exactly he shift gears, I only know that he does not use any script nor macro so I assume he must press the button with every shift

One thing I've discussed with my teammates that impressed me about arreche's driving technique was how he downshift (back in early S2 times) extremely quick without losing control, blocking the tires and braking in extremely low space.

But I repeat it, I'm not a Hotlapper, I'm a very slow racer (trying to get to Bench in every combo, but not always I get it ) so I'm more focused in endurance and constant driving than on flatshifting techniques and advance time scratching .

Anyway if you have some questions I can try to get the answers from him, but this morning he was very dissapointed with people accusing him of doing something "unfair" when the only thing he does is give his best.

The reason for button clutch he gave was that he don't have a clutch pedal and he find manual clutching quicker than auto-clutch and, as far as I know, manual clutch via button it's not an unfair adavantage, isn't it?

Quote from arco :

Look at the clutch graph, and you'll see the time difference in engaging the clutch.

Could you compare his graphs with ones from a person actually using the macro to see if there is a difference? I've read from some people that macro clutch it's not actually quicker than manual clutch but I don't even know if it's true...

Quote from Bawbag :

RockGt, start using the hotlap analyser, it isn't hard to work out, then you can get your evidence.

I'm not a Hotlapper so I've used the HL analyser to see my errors in few combos, but usually I don't have time for study the graphs or I prefer (and it's better for my practise) to expend it on the track

Anyway if you know how to see if someone is using or not the macro by looking at the analyser I would be pleased to know it in order to clean the name of few mates that has been accused and they claim they never used it

Thanks in advance bawbag and keep the good work I've learnt a lot from your replays

Quote from e2mustang :

when you are watching wr in hotlap analyser,u can see the blue mark goes only a bit up,now if you even push a button for clutch(which is no problem for me) it should go just all the way up as the regular type of shifting does,isnt it?

Don't know... I'm not an user of HL analyser, and I've never used clutch button either

The only thing I know is that I have the word of someone who was accused of using the macro when he claims he never used it and I just want to know if someone have any evidence for the acusation apart that he can beat WR's by tenths

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

im not talking only about him but all macro users

Ok, but you can be sure he is not using it

By the way, you've made an incredible job at FeBlack - FZR just tested it for getting a time for the inscription and your time is just :jawdrop:

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

We well see in next patch as this macro thing isnt possible to use anymore if there still that fast then oke there aliens if there not the were leiing

That's not necesary

arrechee is in LFS since S1 times and he always was one of the fastest... I can tell that almost every combo he raced at the league he beat the WR. I remember great battles with Worm and biggie beating the WR several times during the week all three of them :bowdown:... and at that time no one talk about shift macro

Now the HL's are recent and many of them are not very competitive, so it's possible to lower the WR several tenths (not by me, of course )...

Quote from jscorrea :

Your finger pressing the button clutch is not cheat, but an external program by engaging you do is cheat.

Ok, someone said before the opposite, but anyway, arrechee said that he uses button clutch, no script and no macro. He just have the clutch assigned to a wheel button and he presses it at every gear shift... don't see what the problem is

Quote from e2mustang :

who said that,where did u get it from?

From here:

Quote from e2mustang :

Oh yes its true,me and few ppl on lfw chatbox were watching all the wrs they made,with the script.may i ask cant they shift with autoclutch and liftoff just like the other users?

Quote from baSh0r :

no they cant someway they need to be fast because the usually can'T

Why do you say "with the script"? Who are you referring to? arrechee has said he didn't use the script ever... could you prove he did?

So now button clutch without macro is also cheat?

Quote from Becky Rose :

Personally I interpret the whole thing totally differently, but since we're talking about Catholicism here i'll leave my personal view out of it. The Catholic view is very clearly a double standard, where one thing is said as justification to prove something else. Sadly all they've shown to me is that they are just as bigotted as ever they where.

So we think the same

Catholicism is full of double moral... just look at what they treat the priests who love children a bit more than they may

About Jesus words... well I think he and the apostols were a kind of hippie band, so maybe they have free sex one with each others, so I think he really didn't have nothing against homosexuals, or at least I don't see it in his words

Anyway... you seem to refer to New Testament and Old Testament indifferently, when they are two Books with a lot of differences about many things, and this is clearly one of them

Quote from TRM.13 :

This the text that arrechee want to write here and I will translate to you in my poor english:

"Hi all,

I am very disapointed with the people who said that I do cheat. I don't know how to use the macro. I use the old sidewinder wheel without FF. I use the clutch in a button. THAT'S ALL.

Come to my house and see with your own eyes or use any kind of program for detection of cheats, I don't do cheats at all!

You better run instead of making pain to other people

Arreche"

You were faster than me

Ok guys, I think some of you were a bit fast as blaming and fingerpointing people... I must say that I thought that arrechee was using the macro because you told that he did and I tought you had analized his HL's before making such an accusation and not only because he's able to lower a WR by a few tenths

I've sent a PM to Zanini too, now I don't know if he's using or not the macro, but now he's awared that the script is considered "not fair" and some people is telling he's beating WR's in an unfair way.

Please, before making such an accusation make sure that what you say is true

Quote from -M- :

Hmmm I see my bar perfectly

It seems you're not using the macro, you've blatantly failed in cheating :uglyhamme

Anyway... take care, people can indeed flame you for using button clutch (as LFS-World says) although you're not using rhe macro (and you have the aggravant factor of being a spaniard :inq

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

yesterday again ky2r LX6 from daveWS was realy good, then the spanish guys com with this macro bullshit and just get 0.8 sec off it unfair $%#%$%....

Uh, oh!

I've just realized that today combo for the league is FE Black - FZR and you're holding the WR

I hope nor Zanini or arrechee beat your WR using the macro or you'll be a lot more dissappointed

Quote from migf1 :

Btw, -M- can use just the button clutch without the macro if he seeks realism. He can also use Track IR

I'm talking to him via MSN, soon he'll post in here I think...

But we just realized he didn't fixed the rate of the button, just a script for pressing the clutch button when he presses the paddle :ices_rofl

So he's not getting the advantage, isn't he? I just don't read the entire topic nor investigating the macro because I don't mind it

Quote from migf1 :

For me -M- is a problem too, what is unethical stays unethical regardless the outcome. I'm glad you are going to inform them what the LFS community thinks of them right now (even gereralizing for all Spanish LFS racers), although I'm pretty sure both Zanini and arrechee are well aware of this thread!

Maybe they're awared but I'm pretty sure arrechee has no read it because he doesn't speak english at all

And about -M-, he's using the script more for realistic finality than for speed, but I will tell him to take a look of this page of the thread and answer if he wants to

For the generalization to all Spanish racers, well, I fear I can't do nothing to change people minds... We (LFS-Spain) are a big, friendly and enthusiast community, we're getting our weekly race for 5 years now (indeed we're celebrating the aniversary right now ) and that make us very focused in our community and not so related to the international community, so I suppose it's easy for you to blame all of us although the facts are that (as far as I know) only 3 spanish people use the script when our community has an average of 80 - 120 people racing every week

Quote from migf1 :

In other words, dear RocksGT, what you say is that it's those guys' choise to be dishonored in the LFS community, by their own free will! They're already in my black list!

Please, don't misunderstand me

I can't talk in their names cause I have no more facts about why they're using it than any of you. I can only tell that both of them (I suppose -M- it's not a problem for anyone because he's not beating WR's) are superb drivers that can beat WR's without using the script and I think that they use it because they don't know about this discussion and because no one has told them that their WR's are considered unfair

I would try to let them know anyway, I just don't give this so much importance as I'm not a Hotlapper nor I have the hands to beat a WR (include level 100 macros, no way I'd beat a WR :tilt, but I can understand your point

Quote from SamH :

'm glad to hear you point out that it isn't "the spanish community" as a body/group. Perhaps there is something you can do within the spanish community to encourage these people to reassess their practice?

I could open a thread in the league forum, but that is a personal option and I think that the only two people affected are arrechee and Zanini cause they are the only two spanish racers (more accurate LFS-Spain racers :tilt beating WR and using the script. And I think they have a personal fight one with the other (and they are teammates and the only two in their team using the macro) and they use the macro because they don't have much time to train . All of this are personal opinions, I don't have asked them why they use it because I really don't mind, they are far away from my level and I'm sure (because they hav proved that before) that they can beat WR's with or without the macro thing.

In the other side, if you look at the previously mentioned Ky2r - LX6, the third spanish racer using the macro is -M- and he is my team mate and I can tell you that he use the macro because he don't like auto-clutch and he don't have a clutch pedal (DFP owner). So he have a clutch button he must use for avoiding engine stall when spining or in low revs but he use the macro because using the shifter and clicking the button and 720º it's too much work ... but I'm sure no one will complain about him because he's not beating WR's

Quote from Becky Rose :

Curse you for making me read several chapters of Genesis today, have you any idea how badly written that story is?

Yup, I know

Quote from Becky Rose :

Any interpretation to condemn the sexual orientation from this passage is clearly deliberate and an attempt to use the bible to provenance ones own fealing on the issue.

And isn't that the final purpose of every Bible read? (and you can generalize to every religion if you please)

You have some thoughts about how the world may work and what things are correct and what not. Then you take your religion or your holy book and look for things that reinforce those thoughts. And given that is all a matter of interpretation, you can sustain almost any theory with the words in that book . And that is exactly what sects leaders do

Quote from Becky Rose :

I am willing to be proven wrong, i'd like to be, it would help me understand all those people who pray for cures.

It's just a way of having the head focused in something different than the disesase itself. And many people find in it a way of relaxing and holding an optimistic behaviour and this helps them in various ways.

In fact there are some studies about this subject that (in most cases) could be hilarious. Check out those ones

http://www.boston.com/news/glo ... 7/25/a_prayer_for_health/

http://www.ahjonline.com/artic ... 0002870305006496/abstract

I remember a documental I saw at TV about one of this studies were there was prayer groups of various religions and some christian patients were worry about islamist praying for them as they think that would cause the opposite effect

Quote from Becky Rose :

I dont really care about what organised religion says on anything because their views carry the weight of the prejudices and convictions of Bishops, not the word of the God they supposedly represent.

Ok, I can understand it. I was just pointing that they are people who studied the Book a lot (maybe the most in History) and both (Islamist and catholics) reach the same interpretation about homosexuality

Quote from Becky Rose :

Then again the Bible itself is the views and opinions of a few disciples and not in itself the word of God. The only word of God in the bible is some stone tablets, the rest of the book is the interpretation of those tablets by uneducated close minded neanderthols from 20 centuries ago, but only the views that conform to the opinions of various powerful clergy along the way - for the rest you have to read the apocrapher, do that and you soon start wondering just how much of the gospel, is actually gospel.

If the Bible itself is the views and opinions of a few disciples and not in itself the word of God then the 10 commandments could be the same as tehre is no real fact proving they came directly from God

Anyway, check out the 6th commandment.

"Neither shall you commit adultery"

Adultery is the breaking of the holy bond between husband and wife, and is thus a sacrilege. This commandment includes not just the act of adultery, but lust as well. (See Catechism 2331–2400.).

So as long as don't exist a husband and a wife in homosexual relations it is against this commandment. If you can think it in other way, the only valid reason for sexual practices given by the Bible is reproduction (remember Onan, killed by God himself for spilling his seed upon the ground :schwitz, so in that way, homosexuality (or at least his sexual side) it's against the likes of God and this connects with Vatican not blaming people for being homsexuals but recommended them to practise chastity

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

yesterday again ky2r LX6 from daveWS was realy good, then the spanish guys com with this macro bullshit and just get 0.8 sec off it unfair $%#%$%....

Ky2r LX6 was the combo for the monday race at LFS-Spain league.
There's some people in there that don't actually know about this discussion as they don't read LFS-Forums so, for them, the macro thing is just an option that the game allow and they find it attractive or whatever

And checking the time table at LFS-World, there are 40 spanish racers who upload a Ky2r - LX6 HL and only 3 of them using the macro, so please don't generalize. Usually we are about 120 - 150 racers uploading HL's every monday and (as far as I know) this 3 racers are the only ones using the script

I think the problem is that two of this racers are arrechee and Zanini, two impressive drivers that can fight almost every WR and using the macro make people think they are not that good

Whatever... yesterday spanish league's race was FERallyX Rev - RAC. As you can see at LFS-World, 29 spanish racers upload an HL, none of them using the macro and 8 of them beat the previous WR holded by go carter (I know, rally combos are not many popular :tilt

Quote from Becky Rose :

For my argument i'd use your quote, lots of evidence for the other conclussion isnt there... Not so much evidence for homosexuality incurring them the wrath of God, what we do have though is modern opinion on the conclusions to be drawn.

It's a hard question indeed. As Bible is a book of interpretation and there is no a concrete reference to homosexuality it's all on how you want to read it

Here you have the main article in the Wiki discussing Cristianism and homosexuality. Some references are listed here:

Quote :

A number of passages from both the Old and New Testament of the Bible are commonly used in the debate over homosexuality including Genesis 19:4-29, Leviticus 18 and 21, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Timothy 1:10, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Jude 1:7. The arguments over these passages have centered on the extent to which these passages are still relevant. In addition, recent scholarship has produced interpretations of Biblical passages which, according to these scholars, reveals that the Bible never advocates a blanket criticism of same-sex relationships

Whatever... the official position of the Vatican and the catholic community is clearly against homosexuality, advising them to practice chastity to avoid the eternal fire

In fact the official position of Islam about homosexuality is the same (probably more agressive) and (as you may know) they get that conclussions from the same book.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Nowhere else does the bible have anything to say about homosexuality. It's ok to be gay, it's not ok for a girl to have sex before marriage though - those girls must be stoned to death on the day of their wedding.

Sodom and Gomorrah?


Quote from wikipedia:

Quote :

There are two prevailing views of the sin of Sodom in Christian thought. One is that the destruction of Sodom was due to inhospitality, as illustrated by the gifts of God to Abraham for his gracious action, contrasted with consequences of the behavior of the city's inhabitants. First we see hospitality and the way we should act, then inhospitality in that the people of Sodom seek to mistreat the newcomers. The second view is that the cities were destroyed for homosexuality.

Quote from lerts :

but my idea still works you just have to made the umbella like this:

<---X--

force of gravity will keep the umbrella horizontal because its the lowest the center of gravity can be

Hey! This one is amazing. I've tested it and works really fine

I've taken an umbrella, then attached the X filled with water to it and when I leave it alone magically the umbrella changes its position looking for the horizontal line and remains stationary on the ground

I'm just wondering it could work with almost every object :hyper: