Can we call them Last-On-Lap pentalties?

LL just doesn't roll off the toungue like LOL does....


seriously... the rules look ~good as far as i c.

I believe I've used the term passing predominately, but regardless one car is taking over the position of another.

In rain, as you put it, they'd have to give up the side-by-side, three-wide racing. No-one there wants to see that tbh, as that's not oval racing.

A lot of the tracks have progressively banked turns, to promote multiple racing lines (grooves in american speak), aiding the ablity to drive side-by-side. The "groove" can shift and change driver to driver, and throughout the race dependant on temperature.

Oval racing is just a different set of practice than our traditional racing line/overlap mentality.

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If you think that disagreeing with someone is trolling, then you, sprinter and I are all trolls. Personally, I feel I'm using the forum for it's intended purpose.

- ditto.


We'll have to agree to disagree. Ultimately, rain racing just doesn't mesh with what NASCAR is. It's perfectly acceptable for people to have disdain for NASCAR, just try not to make it something it isn't.

This is getting nonsensical. You aren't even responding to the points being made.

Road course racing for you is enjoyable to watch, we understand, but it does NOT have as much passing as a Nextel Cup race on an oval.

I'd very much like to see 24 F1 cars on the pit lane at the same time, I doubt it would be as "no-problem" as you described. If so, it would certainly be eased by the fact there would only be 12 pit crews.

Bristol has no room to be widened, or the garages moved (as do some other tracks). The pit lane loops the entire circuit, and doesn't even have enough pit stalls for all the cars.

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Okay, I'll reply

F1 has lots of racing, just not much passing at the moment. Other non-oval series have lots of passing - GP2, F3, DTM, BTCC (which I don't like), MotoGP (yes, even bikes without lights, mirrors, windscreen wipers and two tyres less race in the wet).

Ha! You have lost your mind to seriously say any of these series produces close to as much passing as a Nextel Cup race does.

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Nascar avoids the issue because they're all stupid, and worried about litigation rather than good driving skills....

Right, so you say it's fair to just stop a race abitrarily, maybe once half the leaders crashed out and Spyker has taken the lead?

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F1 pit stops also, sometimes, happen in large packs. The drivers have been given a device to stop them killing everyone - pedals, steering wheels, a brain, and a pitlane speed limiter. It works. Nascar should try it..

NASCAR doesn't have pit lane speed limiters, controlling the speed is part of the drivers skill, maybe F1 should try it. Stock cars impair the vision of the drivers to a much higher degree than an open-wheeler.

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When 20 off f1 cars come into the pits, you have about 240 pitmen, with lighter but spikier, open wheel cars driving about, and not many accidents. Standing water? Are US pitlanes drained? Skinny wet tyres? What's the skinny bit got do with it, other than aquaplaning resistance? Widen the pitlanes a bit? They seem fecking wide already..

When have you Ever seen 20 F1 cars in the pit lane at the same time in race conditions? You HAVEN'T. Now, put 30-40 F1 cars on the pit lane at the same time, you can't.
If you figure a way to make Bristol's pit lanes wider, patent it.

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It wouldn't be anymore dangerous than now. Not one bit. Accept it.

Ha.

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I agree spook. Only stereotypical (read: not all) Americans could be entertained by silly looking cars on tracks that are (and some oval fans admitted as much in this thread) as eay to drive as peeling an orange.

But 500 cars in a car park and tell them to go quickly, and there will be lots of passing, lots of crashes, and lots of cheering. Not far removed from an oval really.

Your claims that wet races are more exciting, are based off your own knowledge of European series that are not run on ovals and thus by nature have less passing. In road courses and street circuits, yes wet racing makes it more exciting. Oval racing has countless more passing, tighter racing, and larger packs. It simply would not be as good on a wet oval.

Futhermore, you are both simply ignoring the points made in this post:

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If NASCAR had, on average, the same amount of passing as an F1 race, I'd say go for it. There would be little to loose. F1 this is not, and the quality of the racing, for the drivers and fans wouldn't be there on a wet oval.

There is no definative way to say, this is a safe amount of rain to race in and this is not, so NASCAR avoids the issue. The ACLO and FIA feel free to flip to flip flop, as seen by this years Le Mans and Nurburgring F1 race.

Pit Crews. The nature of NASCAR is that pit stops take place in large packs. Also, Pit Crews stay on the pit wall until their car is in its stall, when they then leap onto the road. Sure, you could slow the pit lane speed limit, but 30-plus 3400lb cars (240pit crewmen) + standing water + skinny wet tires + narrow pit lanes = unnecessarily dangerous.

If NASCAR had, on average, the same amount of passing as an F1 race, I'd say go for it. There would be little to loose. F1 this is not, and the quality of the racing, for the drivers and fans wouldn't be there on a wet oval.

There is no definative way to say, this is a safe amount of rain to race in and this is not, so NASCAR avoids the issue. The ACLO and FIA feel free to flip to flip flop, as seen by this years Le Mans and Nurburgring F1 race.

Pit Crews. The nature of NASCAR is that pit stops take place in large packs. Also, Pit Crews stay on the pit wall until their car is in its stall, when they then leap onto the road. Sure, you could slow the pit lane speed limit, but 30-plus 3400lb cars (240pit crewmen) + standing water + skinny wet tires + narrow pit lanes = unnecessarily dangerous.

Where's the difference? You're argument is as blatantly bad in one instance as it is in the other.

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Which I say is tosh. The cars can be made safer, the drivers wear HANS, belts etc. The walls are becoming SAFER (pun intended). Drivers don't HAVE to drive at 220mph. In F1 the speeds reduce in the wet, yet the racing continues.

You come across as so ignorant.

When the 24 hour Nurburgring race was red flagged for several hours because of fog, were you on your high horse then?

Sure, the drivers could have inched around without seeing anything at 5 mph, but it:
1) would not be racing.
2) would be unnecessarily dangerous.

SATA cables are a lot nicer, if they're the same price I'd go SATA. My IDE DVD+-R drive's cable is the main clutter of my pc...

1) There's a SP in the works for Vista. It's a toss-up for me, DX10 in the future could be good, its worthless now.

2) Yea, they're all 775 socket. The chipset and 1333fsb support is the main future-proofing, P35 is the newest, yet X38 is about 3-4 weeks away.

3) "How to Build a PC for Dummies" - lol, it was quite a bit below my technical level, but good that it walked you through all the steps. A worthwhile $10 for me, its not that hard once you do it once.

Don't race in rain:
NASCAR
CASCAR
IRL
CART
IHRA
NHRA
UIM

to name a few.

And apparently the "everyone could just go slower" argument didn't get to the guys who run the 24hr N-ring race, as it was red flagged for hours over a bit of mountain fog...

Just an interesting note, this race will begin at 5:15PM local time today. It has been hot all week in California, and its currently 100 degrees Farenheit, at 7:40AM...

If nothing else, racing 500 miles in an unairconditioned closed-top car in that kind of heat will be tough.

Edit - 7:50 AM, 105 degrees... ouch

Last edited by srdsprinter, Sun 2 Sep 2007, 14:50.

You should be happy with your new system, as its a step up!

If you are interested in OverClocking, even just a little, getting an Intel based system with a C2D E4300 would put you better off. The price would be about the same, but you'd have the ability to go 3.0GHz with a much more advanced architecture.

The IGTC server should be repaired, or it's being worked on.

Any thoughts to make it like 1.5 hours of laps, or 2 maybe? We're trying to get a better grasp on our tire wear, and 1 hour with a pit stop won't help much.

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Alll other racing runs in the rain

Not even close, but at this point i don't care. Becky got it right at the begining of her post.

Lol at this

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COT has enough safety measures to race in the rain

Except for a windsheild wiper and brake lights....


Uugggggggggggggggggg this thread blows.

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That MX5 was suprisingly quick off the line, not quite standard

Beat me to it... Fast as crap Miata outrunning a challenge stradale, gt3, and lunatic noob.

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Enjoy looks really close

Pretty silly

Sorry, this is without picking up a new CRT, I dunno where to find one of those, or what they cost.

You could easily knock $80 off and get a great CPU, $120 off for 2GB of RAM, $30 of the case, $30 off the PSU (500 watt = plenty), ~$260 less total, ~750 pounds while still having more GPU than LFS will (ever?) need.

Well, the best value for a card at the moment is the 8800GTS from nvidia. Unfortunately/Fortunately, an update for this card is due in November. This probably means slightly faster, slightly cheaper, slightly improved card will be out.

1000 pounds is quite a sum of money, ~$2,000 US anyway. I know prices are slightly higher across the pond, but still that would get you a helluva PC:

CPU: Intel Q6600 (2.4GHz Quad Core)/ E6850 (3.0GHz Dual) for $280
GPU: Nvidia 8800GTS 320MB $300
RAM: 2GB-4GB of DDR2-1066 $120/$240
MOBO: Nice Asus/Equivilent $200
Case: ATX Mid Tower, P180b $140
PSU: Nice Corsair/FSP/Equivilant 600 watt $140
OS: Vista 64bit Prememium (SP1 looking like a Q1 08 release): $110
OP: DVD+-R Sata Drive: $30
HDD: 2 x 320GB SataII drives : $160
Total ~$1,600 = ~800 pounds (direct) ~900 pounds given ~translation of electronics.

Is LFS you're only gaming intrest? If you're heavily into "other" games, then the system will be a bit different than that of a LFS/light gaming rig.

That's an idea, I hate my G25 does the same, spinning madly 1.5 rotation, SMASH, 3.0 rotation, SMASH! Its too expensive to be Smashing about like that!

From logitech's forums, one women was starting the pc, bent over, and the G25 took off madly spinning, catching her necklace in the shifters. Fortunately the necklace snapped, but it shows how dangerous that start-up calibration can be.

Oh, the time has passed so slowly waiting for a renewed spectator. Infinite Thanks to you!

Space pending, please count on 3 LOTF cars showing up.