Quote from tristancliffe :

If you have 'an emergency' then the most you will want from the handbrake is VERY VERY light pressure. Split circuit brakes will almost NEVER totally fail, but if they did the last thing you'd want is the back wheels locking up because you grabbed the handbrake. In such a situation you'd be best of using engine braking, and then rubbing the car along whatever barrier edges the road to slow the car down in a reasonably controlled manner.

Well, Audi doesn't seem to think so. Applying the e-brake in the car will result in a full-force panic stop. I'd love to give it a try, but for some odd reason, my dad won't let me lol.

And I'm not sure where you're coming from, because I'd much rather use the e-brake to slow my car down, than scrape it along the concrete barrier on the side of the road...? You don't have to YANK it and lock the wheels... just - as you said, gentle application - maybe along with engine braking. But I don't see why you would want to ignore it altogether...

Quote from rjm1982 :

I wanna know how many cars have Electronic brakes.

I do believe that all Audis after 05 had them (at least the A6 and A8.)

Anyway - I remember Viper Racing. That was my first-ever racing game, and I'm glad - cause it was the first real simulator too, lol.

I've heard the term e-brake used for I don't know how long. That's what it IS though. When you take a test with a driving instructor - they test the "EMERGENCY BRAKE" before you set off so that if something goes terribly wrong (like, say, in an EMERGENCY) the instructor can stop the car.

It IS an emergency brake. Hell, stateside, many drivers don't even bother to use it when parking at all, which means the only time they'd ever use it, would be in an emergency.

Quote from drifter92 :

I'm not really demanding it, its just a suggestion.And why shouldnt i get a respectful answer

Because you didn't "suggest" it in a respectful manner.

Anyway - like you said - let's end the argument. I think that with the number of tracks in LFS, if you take the time to go through all the different layouts, SURELY there should be a few that suit your drifting needs? You have to remember that drifting is not what the developers of this game are catering towards, which means it's very unlikely that you get a "drifting track" anytime soon.

Quote from drifter92 :

everyone is attacking me so i attack back.

Well, that's part of the problem

Quote from drifter92 :

the lfs drifting comunity is growing so i would like some tracks for us.

The fact that you demand this as if you are the center of the universe and we all serve you, doesn't make it any more likely for you to get reasonable or respectful answers.

How about this. In hotlap mode, you can see the temps - that way at least giving people the ability to watch the tires and adjust their setups accordingly, but in any other racing mode, you don't see the temps. I can tell when my tires are overheating without the temp guages - from both the smoke and the loss of traction.

Yeah. That works!

Here's mine - doin' some repairs after a collision 2 months ago. I hope I can put it back together!! Never done anything other than change the tire before, lol. Need to replace the turn signal indicator lens/assembly - replace or hammer out the left fender, and later the driver's side mirror (which is taped up.) Maybe one day I'll repaint the bumper too.

Yeah. YouTube is currently trying to transition to a high-def video host. There was a sample somewhere on their site of super-high def video that they were also going to host, but last I heard they were still trying to compress the video enough to allow it to play instantly instead of buffering for like a minute. The bitrate was through the roof.

Quote from avih :

Ok, a short update.

I've replaced my aged FX5600 Ultra 128M with a 7600GS 512M AGP. There's a VERY noticable improvement. On the back of the grid (multiplayer) I can now get 30-40 FPS and in race I've seen more than 110 fps and if I limit it to 60 (my refresh rate), it almost never gets lower than 60, except on the grid and other crowded situations. That's with 1920x1200 resolution but with very little filtering.

So there you go. Athlon XP 2500+ can cope with LFS very well as long as it's accopmanied with a reasonably modern GPU.

Hope it helps

Wow. Are you sure you don't have something faster in there? That sounds more like my FX-62, lol...

Quote from zeugnimod :

:faint2:

Lol. Well stated. That actually made me laugh. Dunno why. It just fits.

Guys - this is obviously nothing more than a u-turn location for those drivers that find themselves going the wrong way and don't want to make a k-turn in the middle of the track. Duh.

utz - Sourdough Hard Individually Twisted Pretzels

I like 1280x1024. That's pretty much all I've ever used actually until my good ol' 1400x1050 on this laptop. But my desktop still runs on two 1280x1024 monitors...

...unless its running on the 1024x768 projector.

Personally, unless the resolution is 1280x1024 or greater, I don't buy, because the screen just gets too cramped with today's programs.

The funniest videos are the ones of people getting blown into the water on takeoff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ErWJY&feature=related

-1 because how am I going to zig-zag drift my way through the garages in Blackwood?!?

Yeah - but imagine how awful 512 res skins would look on that thing...

Quote from tristancliffe :

Quite certain. Harder suspension will absorb the same energy (with less travel) and return it just as much. The dampers are designed to control the wheel (and body) with that spring rate. If anything the lower spring rate will allow the body to take a smoother arc up the ramp (or down it) than hard suspension.

If you film it, then great. Do be careful though, as there are lots of Youtube accidents of people jumping and killing themselves. Personally I'd go for the numerical 'at a desk' analysis every time

True.

Yeah - I'm not about to total my car. We'll have to see how the road is. It changes all the time. It's dirt that leads up to the bridge - and it's constantly flooded so there are always potholes forming all over the place. Thing is though, like I said, you don't have to be going terribly fast. At the very least I'll take a couple pictures of the actual incline and such and we can do that number crunching

I won't be able to get over there until later this week, though, if I do.

I'm almost thinking of going out there sometime this week and trying it out again with someone else filming it. Thing is - right at this moment I've got the car up on jacks in the garage as I'm replacing the left front fender because of that accident I had two months ago that I told you guys about.

Are you certain that a soft suspension wouldn't make the car more likely to get air? If a car has a soft suspension, it "loads up" as you hit the jump, and then "unloads" just before you leave the ground - acting like a springboard and pushing the car into the air.

It was quite a while ago that I did this - so I may be exaggerating - but I'm very curious to try it out again with someone outside and see. If I get the car back together and I feel like doing it - I'll bring someone along and get them to film it or something. How's that

Quote from tristancliffe :

How do you know that isn't play in a bush, or the springs getting a bit loose on their platforms, or the bump rubbers kicking in, or some other knock. You cannot tell by feel along if your car leaves the road, and you cannot feel when the tyres touch the road again - only when the springs start to slow you down, which they'll do regardless of whether you were in the air or not.

If the tyres squealed then maybe the tyre was just unloaded, but not off the ground, or maybe one tyre was for a second 0.1mm off the road.

I am ALMOST POSITIVE that you were nowhere near going off the ground, however there is a chance I am wrong.

It's got nothing to do with being a good driver - the physical sensations of being in the air are exactly the same as being a bit unloaded over a hill. And had you taken off even slightly the slightest bit of yaw in the car would result in a big fishtailing moment, followed by a crash (probably). You haven't mentioned the sphincter-clenching moments afterwards, so I can only assume it tracks straight at all times.

I'm not going to exaggerate my story so that it sounds more realistic. The rear end did not come around. You have to remember that the car I'm driving is much heavier that cars over where you live - which means as long as I approach the "jump" straight-on, the car has very little tendency to be knocked off-center by any inconsistent surfaces. The back might not have even come off the ground - but the front was absolutely positively a few inches off the ground.

Take a look at this video. That's what I'm guessing was the result of the jump I did. I wasn't going quite that fast, but the "bump" was quite a few times bigger than that. It's not that difficult to get a car airborne when you have a soft suspension that tends to help push the car into the air.

Quote from tristancliffe :

But how do you KNOW the wheels were off the ground rather than the springs just nearly fully extended - it'll feel the same. Indeed it'll look the same.

Because you can FEEL when the tires hit the ground again. Not to mention that I took another pass and applied the brakes just as I left the hill and I clearly heard the front tires hit the ground and start screeching (if only for a moment before ABS kicked in.)

I don't know what else you want me to say. Hows this:

"I am ALMOST POSITIVE that I was off the ground, however, there is always a chance that I am wrong."

Will that make you happy? I know you are way older than me, and that you have WAY more driving experience than I do, but that doesn't negate the fact that I might, juuuust might, be a good enough driver to understand what is going on with my car sometimes

Yikes guys, if you really, REALLY don't want to believe me - that's fine. Suffice it to say I can get airborne with my car - and I've done it. I'm not about to go out and videotape it just to prove it - because I could care less. I don't even remember why I said it anymore. I can tell when the car is in the air. Period. If you saw the road, you'd understand why it's not hard to do.

And this is basically a jump. The road literally goes like this ||||\_____ (though not as steep as that) off of the bridge. I've gotten air going <--- way because the road literally is a ramp, and the suspension on my car is soft enough to help launch the car into the air. My dad got air going the other way... he was in a rush, lol. I'm actually amazed he didn't do any major damage to the front or rear bumpers. As long as you're going at a decent clip - you just fly off the end of the road. I'm not trying to say he flew five feet off the ground, but it's physically impossible for any car to drive off the bridge at any speed higher than "pretty slow" without losing contact with the road.

Unless you have this suspension I saw in that demo car once a few years back that actually pushes the tires into bumps on the ground to reduce body movement.

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Quote from March Hare :

How much droop in the audi's suspension? It can feel like you are off the ground even though your wheels are still in contact with it. The tyres can even chirp.

Not much. It's a sport suspension and he's got sport tires. I don't know how to explain it to you other than the tires were off the ground.

Let me put it this way - I went back the next day with my Subaru and managed to get the front tires airborne going UP the drop, lol. And my car's got a LOT of suspension travel.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Sam, why would you wanna mod the car anyway? First of all, your insurance is gonna be hell high with mods, and a 1.8 litre car!

Why not just go for a E36 1.6, or maybe just a bloody 1.2 clio/fiesta or something? Where are you gonna be getting the cash from to pay for the insurance, as i think over £2k or more will be alot for someones first job. Btw sam, the E36 318 is only doing about 115hp, so you will need alot more than a ECU remap to get to your desired 200hp mate.


do that

Lol. I thoroughly enjoy these arguments if only because of the different views on horsepower from Europeans. I find it funny when someone calls a 1.8 liter engine BIG and DANGEROUS, when over here a 1.8 liter engine would be considered puny and worthless. My first and current car was 2.5L, and my brothers first car, which is a 1989 Nissan Stanza that looks like a piece of crap, sounds like a piece of crap, and drives like a piece of crap - is a 2.4L engine. We just have entirely different standards here.

Then again, our cars are also bigger and heavier...

Quote from Inouva :

OK OK


Better be nice with the emo , Let´s take caution how to answer him , dont be he grab some razor Blades and ......

Be careful what you say. In high school last year, we created an advertisement for a movie night that was to be held after school. The ad depicted all different cliques and types of kids (popular, jocks, nerds, emo, etc...) all acting like they normally do (A.K.A. hating each other and such) but getting together 'merrily' to go to this event together. It was supposed to be a very nice friendly message. Next thing we knew, we were almost sued by an emo girl in the school who said we depicted emo kids in a stereotypic manner (e.g. depressed and such.)

Funny thing though is she turned out to be a cutter, and apparently had an entire website full of people cutting themselves and how-to posts about how to do it and had almost killed herself on multiple occasions.