I'm a sort of old school racer who like to race in all types of Motorsports (GP, rally, slalom, hillclimb, ovals, endurance...) and I used to race on ovals when I was playing Indycar Racing II (I really like the idea of a mixed championship with ovals, city race courses and permanent racing tracks) and the Papyrus Nascar series but in LFS, I don't really like the Kyoto oval.

I would like more different ovals, maybe a 0.5 and 1 Mile oval and another 1 or 1.5 mile oval with different levels of banking in all corners (maybe a Pocono like layout).

But as it is currently, I find no interest in racing on ovals. A more nascar-like car and a speedway openwheel (a bit heavier than the FO8 and BF1 without the TC and carbon brakes and a powerfull turbo engine) could help though.

Quote from Becky Rose :

It's a great idea. Sometimes my nephews watch when i'm racing.

And you really thinks that he will never hear such words ? I bet if he was your son, you wouldn't allow him to go to school...kids hear so many bad words at school, it's too dangerous for him

BTW, I don't like filters. There are too much false positive and in case you all don't know, the whole world don't necessarily speak english as a primary language and are sometimes kicked because the word they used contain the same letter sequences.

I know we should all talk in english in random public servers, but sometimes I perfectly know that all drivers connected to a server are french or german speaking people and I don't want to be kicked by a stupid bot.

If there is a need for a filter, this should be client side. Afterall, the LFS servers won't prevents Becky's nephew to start a browser and connect to a child porn website while she is in the WC

Pardon my ignorance, but why are stickers in most "drifter skins" reversed ?

Quote from DaveWS :

I was watching the Turkish Grand Prix today, and one thing that i noticed while the cars were on the parade lap was the way they were warming up the front tyres. They would be driving at slow speeds and then turn the wheel to full lock, causing the car to understeer ahead and heat up the fronts.

I thought that i would try out this technique on LFS in the BF1. However when i tried it out the car didn't understeer at all, in fact the car was turning far too much, and even sometimes oversteering, not what i had observed on the TV.

I guess that this is a tyre physics issue, so i carried out some more "tests":

This first test is on the skidpad, where i have driven to the outer ring, and at the limits of the cars lateral grip, proven by the green arrows on forces view (f key). I have then turned into the turn with FULL steering lock, expecting the car to understeer wide and take a wider path (as on the TV). Instead the car began to oversteer and take an ever tightening line!

The second test is on the dragstrip. I have driven to the limiter in 4th for a constant speed, and given my best attempt at "threshold" braking. I have then repeated the test with fully locked wheels, which gave a shorter braking distance! (marginally). This test was with the RACE_S setup but no downforce.

The third test is on the dragstrip but accelerating with NO tc. I set a time of 9.5 seconds. I then tried again with tc set to 5%, and set a time of 9.24 seconds. I am certain that if this test was carried out in real life the results would be several seconds out, not 0.26 seconds out.

The forth test is my attempt at a parade lap in the BF1. A total disaster.

Unless otherwise stated the tests have all been with the standard RACE_S setup.

Some tests may have been crude and inaccurate, but still give a conclusion.

I recommend you view the tests in the forces view.

Here is a link to a typical parade lap, where you can see the technique that the drivers are using to warm the tyres: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFWJIDzQJo

The RACE_S setups are quite oversteery compared to real life(saving!) setups. I bet if you prepared a setup for a 1h30 race, your front tires would be set at a much higher pressures and the car would behave more like the real ones.

I haven't had the time to look at your replays though.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Broadcast Progress
I converted the first set of rushes into a sensible filesize today and found time to add one more static camera, that's 6 recorded now, I think tomorrow I will probably have finished getting all but replay angles (which i'll do as I go along).

Which compression format did you finaly choose ?

everybody does trail braking without actually knowing what it is. What is important is the amount of this trail braking and where it is best applied :

Quote from http://virtualracersedge.com/trail_braking.htm :

Trail braking;

Trail braking (a.k.a. 'brake-turning', braking while turning toward the apex of a corner) is another learning curve for you to climb sooner or later. However, learn trail braking slowly; if you're used to road driving (where you're taught to finish braking before turning into a corner) then you might find it tricky to learn the extra delicacy demanded by trail braking. In PU, the trade-off between brake pressure and steering input is hard to judge when you can't feel the car turning and pitching through your body.

Becky : you should encode the files using a DV compression. If the quality is good enough for cameras, it should be good enough for you. And it is supported by all major video editing softwares (Adobe Premiere included).

The compression isn't big 25MB/s (5:1 ratio) : it needs 13GB for an hour in PAL resolution/framerate, but it should be good enough for you.

with 10 camera angles of 30 minutes, you will need only *cough* 65GB. Your RAID array of 360GB will be fine with it. You will even be able to encode the finished video in both reduced and very high quality and store the biggest one on DVD for archive purpose.

Quote from teaz-R :

Retro again

http://img.photobucket.com/alb ... 26/teazR/lx6aluminium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/alb ... 6/teazR/LX6_aluminium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/alb ... 6/teazR/LX4_aluminium.jpg

To you give us the permission to use your skins as a base for our owns. In short, do you care if we release publicly skins based on these ?

I want to make an LX skin, but I don't want the whole car to look unpainted, just some parts.

antialiasing would be nice though.

If like me he can't use it (it strech my screen for an unknown reason), some light blur on the tarmac+background and use of the "smudge" tool on the edges of the cars could help.

Quote from _-ALUCARD-_ :

here's my last edit

You will be happy. Here is a screenshot of you at an FFSCA slalom (autox) :

I knew his website but you have to see them in real !

Reto Meisel also have a website :
http://www.meisel-motorsport.ch/

Just a quick report from St Ursanne - Les Rangiers.

It was pure madness on wheels :woohoo:

There was a corner named "Les Grippons" which is a bit like l'Eau Rouge at Spa, but much narrower. This is where you could see who had the biggest balls...and it was the frenchman Lionel Regal, famous for a few vids on the net which was the fastest, taking the corner at 233 km/h with his F3000. He also won the event, after a great battle with the Swiss Eric Berguerand. The most impressive closed cars were the BMW 320 Judd (550 HP) of Georg Plasa, the Mercedes 190 DTM (powered by an ex Brabham F1 Judd) or Reto Meisel and the Delta S4 of Bruno Ianniello and the Porsche 935 of Alain Pfefferlé.

I also saw 2 nasty crash. In the first one, Martin Jermann from the Czech National Team lost his Alpha 147 Cup at about 170km/h and almost put it on the roof, saved by the rails. The second one happened to Marc Fleury, a drifter who only participate to do the show: after a rain fall between the last two legs, he didn't realised a small wet patch would remain under the bridge which cross the track at the Grippons. He was already on opposite lock when the rear wheels touched the wet patch and he lost it completely, hitting the barriers and wrecking his M3.

There were all sort of cars from all ages, from 1.6L group N Clio and Pug 106 to F1 engine powered F3000. It was a lot of fun.

I still haven't uploaded my own gallery but you can already find pictures and videos here :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/

For the record, in a regular hillclimb race, the drivers start every 30 seconds, park after the finish line then wait for the last car to finish. The cars do 3 runs and the cumulated times makes the classification.

When there is a crash, the running cars are stopped by the marshalls (red flag) and restart when the road is cleared.

All sorts of cars race in Hillclimb, from almost stock FWD sedans to open-wheels and prototypes.

I don't think waiting for the others to finish is boring as long as the event is well organised. We organise Slalom (autocross) races in LFS using the very same rules and it is a lot of fun. It's almost the only type of racing which allow people to be both drivers and spectators. We laugh at each others on teamspeak and play the commentators and it doesn't require any training because we discover the track 1 hour in a practice session before the 3 official timed runs

--sorry wrong thread--

Quote from Captain Slow :

@tomi. so little post count. so many wise words. tomipedia.

So little post count, but I'm a veteran in the simracing world (I played my first racing game 20 years ago and my first real sim was Indianapolis 500). I have also organised (or just helped) several simracing championship and "work" in my freetime for the first and bigger country wide simracing federation in the world (the FFSCA or Fédération Française de Simulation de Courses Automobiles, born as early as 2001 when GPL and nascar from papyrus were the only decent and online capable racing sims).


I don't post much here because I play a lot of sims and and I am a moderator of our federation's forum. It's already a big job to follow everything.

Sadly, LFS isn't the favorite sim in our organisation (only one running championship). I think the lack of licenced cars+tracks and modding capabilities doesn't help.

someone should upload it to google video or youtube. The quality won't be top notch, but it will be online for a long time and easy to see for everyone

servers are private and obey to their own rules/morality/way of life/laws . Just remember the name of this server and avoid it in the future if you don't like it.

An run your own server if no one fit your taste

I'm normally a wheel driver but I keep an LFS install in a usb drive. When I'm away from home and have access to the computer of a friend, I sometimes play LFS in demo mode with a mouse

Quote from GeForz :

I'm pretty sure no one officially checks if there is money in your mail

I heard about someone losing money this way without any legal mean to recover it. Someone at the post office must have seen there was money in a mail and stole it. When the man asked why his pal never received the money, he was told that it was prohibited and that it was his own fault.

BTW, I don't know how it is in Croatia, but sending money by regular mail is prohibited by most countries post offices...

+1 for hillclimb courses

I'm going to the St Ursannes-Les Rangiers hillclimb race this week-end, it's part of the European Championship and all the great drivers (Plasa, Regal, Meisel, Ianniello, Bormolini, Regosa, Napione, Kramsky, Szasz, Svoboda and many more...) and great machines will be there

A few vids from 2005 :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... ss%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/E1%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... CN%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... ch%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... as%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... el%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... 0N%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/vi ... ni%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv

the bad thing : it will probably rain again this year

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Quote from Nick_ll :

If I remember correctly, FWD was invented by a french engineer, and it is used because it is safer, because for most drivers on the road, understeer is easier to control than oversteer (because for one thing the average driver sucks).

RWD is seen as more "logical" because it allows for a better, more even weight distribution. That is better, in particular for racecars as it allows for a more even tire wear. Now that doesn't say FWD is no fun to drive at all, but I do believe RWD is more fun personally.

It was not invented because it is safer. It was invented because it saves a lot of space compared to the conventionnal front engined rwd car.

After WWII, people in europe needed small and affordable cars, which would still have enough space for whole family. To gain space, they needed to get ride of that huge transmission axle. Two solutions became popular : the FWD solution, keeping the engine in the front, and the Rear engine / RWD solution while the traditionnal Front Engined RWD solution was still used for bigger cars. The RWD solution became more widespread in the early years (50's) because it was easier to do and more reliable (no cardan) though the FWD solution had its supporter in the name of Citroen and Panhard who made it popular. They were soon relayed by the Austin Mini. It soon became evident to everybody that the Rear Engined RWD solution was a great solution for economic yet sporty cars (Renault 4CV and Dauphine 1093, Alpine A110, NSU TT, Hillman Imp, Fiat 500 Abarth, DB Djet) because of a better traction and better reliability with more powerfull engines. But these cars were less comfortable and more touchy to drive, especially at high speed because of a very light front end. The RWD Rear Engined solution was also less practical when a car had to be derived in a station-wagon version. Peugeot and Renault followed the Citroen path and progressively switched to FWD during the 60-70's. Other manufacturers did the switch a bit later (starting with the little cars), mostly in late 70's early 80's.

I love how the LFS fanboys just can't live without lynching everybody.

OK it would have been better if n30 used is tool on a private server before giving it to friends who would use it online. But he already told us he contacted scawen about it. What are the consequences of it ? nothing. Just a few people who used such a tool in a few public races. In the next patch, it will be sorted and all WR will be wiped so who cares ?

Remember that you are all using an alpha version of a software. It is made public to be tested and you shouldn't expect a flawless racing experience though LFS is already one of the best and most reliable racing sim I have ever used.

But I bet you are just addicted to flame wars and mass public lynching...

+1 The LX4 and 6 are a blast to drive with the slickmod

+1 for the RWD counterpart for the UFR. I love the UFR and how it handle, but I would like an RWD sister to play with. I always thought a Simca 1000 Rallye II (or III) clone (or any other little mid engineered beast of the same type : NSU TT, Hillman Imp...) would be the ideal sister of the UFR

http://www.objectifvideo.com/php/video.php?id=1960

http://objectifvideo.ph5.free. ... -st-pierre/photo/ov23.jpg

http://objectifvideo.ph5.free. ... l-st-pierre/photo/ov5.jpg