"I'm going to prove that two wheel drive is superior to four wheel drive. Hold on, buddy!"

or

"I'm sure we have a defect. Cause when I do THIS, there is a small creaky sound at the back. You hear?"

Last edited by wsinda, Sun 24 Jun 2007, 17:37.

This one brought the widest grin on my face:

Quote from BigFatCat :

"I zought ve had fixed der back end getting loose under braking, ja?"

Your turn, BigFatCat!

OK, we just had the 24h, so...

U.S. Army's new take on patrolling high-risk Iraqi neighborhoods

Don't worry about electric/hybrid/hydrogen cars being not "sporty" enough. By the time fossil fuel gets too expensive you will have LFS S7, which will feel more real than reality itself, and where you can waste all the virtual fuel you want.

If global warming really breaks loose, the question will be: which energy source will power our boats?

Quote from AndroidXP :

Now from a completely different perspective, we also have to worry about the fun we have, since doing something (that is not important for survival) without having fun is pointless, no?

Quote from Alan Dove :

Yes sometimes someone else's race might be ruined because I didn't give them room...however that is not my problem... that is there's! This is racing, this is what happens....when someone thinks that the person in front is going to give room and they don't then they are a fool for believing that somehow room is going to be donated to them.

This is typical for two kinds of mentality that exist, and that I've seen in every kind of sports I have done.

Some people take part because they like to measure themselves against their opponents. Above all, they want to have fun. And, equally important, they want the others to have fun too, so afterwards they can part as friends.

Some people take part because they like the challenge. Above all, they want to win. To finish first, they are prepared to use every trick that is allowed (and some tricks that aren't). There can only be one winner. If you lose, tough.

At the professional level of the sport you won't see the first type, because these folks are not willing to sacrifice the time and money that it takes to reach the top.

At the recreational level (which includes all of LFS, imho) you can see both types of people. And whenever they mix you may get sour faces. Each side will claim that the others don't have the right mentality.

Quote from lerts :

two proofs of telepathy

Seems more like two proofs of gullibility.

Did you ever consider down-to earth explanations, or do you always prefer the supernatural?

Quote from AzN_devil :

*EDIT* dont know if its ok to post this here..so im gonna remove it for now

It's OK to post. In my replay analyser you can also view this data (see screenie). One person thought it was illegal to show setup data, but changed his mind after he saw it was documented on the LFS site.

Quote from Leprekaun :

Personally, something which I think ALL of motorsport lacks is nobility.

You think so? Here is a quote I picked at random:

Quote from Wikipedia :

(Mike Hawthorn) was the winner of the 1958 Formula One Championship. With only one win that year against four wins of Stirling Moss, he benefited greatly from the gentlemanliness of Moss as shown at the Portuguese Grand Prix of Porto. Hawthorn was disqualified for pushing his car, against the rules, on the way to a second place finish. Moss interceded on Hawthorn's behalf and the decision was ultimately reversed. Those second place points at Porto contributed to Hawthorn winning the championship with a season total just one single point more than that of Moss.

Quote from Becky Rose :

What we'd like to do is offer you great new features, but without money we cant do it, and we are fully aware that asking you for it is going to get us no where, but ...

If we can do all of this just for 0.25 seconds of your bandwidth whilst you connect to a server, is that okay with you guys?

Becky, Sam,

I'm sure you have great plans, and I'm grateful for all the wonderful things you have done so far. I also realise that running STCC/CTRA has cost you a lot of money, and that it will continue to be costly even with sponsoring.

Still, I'm against advertising. Not because of the bandwidth it costs; I have broadband, so I couldn't care less. But seeing ads does cost me money. Sponsors will only pay for the ads if they work. (OK, some sponsors may give money because they like your plans so much. But the average sponsor is well aware of the effectiveness of his ads.) Ads that work make sales rise, and the money from the sales came out of the pockets of the folks who watched the ads.

In short, the funds that you'd receive came from the visitors of your servers. But in an indirect way, and after the advertisement industry has gotten its share. You say you don't want to ask your visitors for money. But advertising also draws money from them -- without their consent, and (partly) outside their control.

With websites we've seen a technological arms race because of advertising. People who don't want to see ads invent ways to block them, and the folks who run the ads invent ways to circumvent the ad-blockers. Loads of effort has been spent in this war, in both camps. This may also happen in LFS.

Please consider this when you plan to cross the Rubicon.

Quote from SamH :

There'd be absolutely no need to ask Scawen for an ad-blocker. Don't join the commercially financed server. This has already been covered. Read the thread.

I did read the thread. In post #54 you said, in response to AndroidXP:

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I'm sure Scawen would ensure that it would be optional. If I had a choice, I'd ask for default to be on (auto download), because it lends leverage when server ops are talking to sponsors, but I'm confident that nobody who objected would be forced. I would definitely make that decision to accept/refuse detectable by server ops, though. I think that's important, for collecting stats etc.

If I read you correctly, you say downloading ads should be a user-selectable option. If so, it would be fine with me. Ad-haters like me can set it to "off", racing fans who want things to look like real life set it to "on". Problem solved.

But I'm skeptical that it would be like that, because an easy way to block ads will diminish their value (less eyeballs). Sponsors will pay less, so admins of sponsored servers will be tempted/pressured by sponsors to refuse connections from "ad-blocked" visitors. I think you are leaning that way, because you want the blocking to be detectable for the server, and in post #61 you state:

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Don't join the commercially financed server.

It's not a "plethora of negativity", Sam. I'm strongly against commercialism, yes, but for good reasons. I think it's detrimental to society. But let's keep that discussion for some other thread.

LFS has been a "non-commercialised" sim until now, and for me that was an important reason to buy it and to join the community. I'd hate to see that go.

Quote from Alan Dove :

He could have stayed on the outside, there is grip there..... but he didn't because he was smart....

my point being you have to be aggressive.....

He didn't because he was either a clean driver, or not a very good one. If he was as aggressive as you, he'd have stayed on the outside and collided with you when you went wide. And he'd have been the one in the right.

-1 :thumbsdow

I despise TV programs and movies that try to get me to buy stuff. I use an ad-blocker and a spam filter. I avoid websites that pop up commercial garbage. I try to keep my doormat free from paper ads. And it's no different when I'm playing LFS.

Product placement would ruin my fun in racing. If a server admin would throw in billboard ads for real products, I'd disconnect immediately. And if the devs would need to insert ads to cover their costs, I'll happily pay some extra money for an ad-free licence.

In real-life racing money talks. Do you want it to be that way in LFS, too?

Quote :

add the option for users to turn it off.

Forget it. Sponsors won't pay for ads that can be turned off with a simple click. Next, admins of sponsored servers will be asking Scawen for a server-side option to ignore ad-blocking.

Quote from SamH :

Think of it in the other way I suggested.. LFS leagues offering actual prizes.

If you want to offer actual prizes, then require a fee from drivers who want to enter the competition.

Quote from Alan Dove :

Now the driver who I overtook did the sensible thing on not try to hang on round the outside because my now inherited racing line dictated i was going to run out on the exit as I accelerated away.

It's not very clear to see in the vid, but I don't think you "inherited" the racing line. You did have the right to the apex, but that doesn't mean you have a right to the exit. If the other guy needed to lift while there was still overlap, then you squeezed him.

As long as there is significant overlap, neither the inside driver nor the outside driver has exclusive rights to the corner. Both drivers must leave room for the other, so neither can take the optimal driving line. The inside driver must wait until he has fully overtaken the other, then he can use the full width of the track.

Your interpretation of the rules is biased towards the inside driver. He just needs to brake very late to get the apex, and then he can squeeze the other at corner exit, or block him when he tries a switchback.

(Maybe it's different in karting, because karts are too short to make 'overlap' meaningful, or because contact has less severe consequences.)

Quote from Thill :

3/4 dont give a ****, why should I?

Because if you don't give a **** and stop racing cleanly, you will make the problem worse and ruin other people's race.

Be part of the problem or be part of the solution. It's your choice.

The fuel usage of F1 cars is totally irrelevant. If the FIA wants to contribute in the fight against global warming they should do all races in one country. The F1 teams travel around the globe during the season, mostly by plane, and that's sending far more CO2 into the atmosphere than all the laps they could ever do on track.

In this light the most dangerous sport is probably soccer, purely because of its popularity. Think about it, all the fuel wasted by people driving to the stadium, all the kilowatts spent on televised matches, or on keeping the fan's beers cool... It's a massive emission of CO2. Ban it!

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Climate change is probably the single biggest issue facing our planet

Nonsense. Mankind may be harmed by global warming, but the planet will be just fine. The effect is only that some species dwindle while others thrive. (However, the mass extinction caused by deforestation and other human activities, that's a different story...)

Quote :

One F1 team has one-use-only wheel bolts that cost £600 each.

Maybe. But wasting wheel bolts can be perfectly CO2 neutral.

Quote from Albieg :

Great
Anyway I'd like to see the CTRA servers to come back soon with limited functionality.

+1

I want to race the XRG again! :weeping:

Quote from Becky Rose :

For now feel free to throw some wild ideas around as to what is coming: You never know, you might be right ... or better, we might like the idea...

OK, how about a new and improved "meeting room". Or rather, a "dating service" for online races.

It's a place where you can enter your preferences for car, track, and race length, and where your licence and PBs are known. You log in, wait for the server to team you with some other racers. After a little wait you get a pop-up showing the proposed combo and lap count. If you like it you click "Accept", and you find yourself on the starting grid with a couple of other racers with abilities that match yours, ready for some close racing.

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Quote from SamH :

I think the biggest problem with depression is that most people would have to experience it in order to understand just exactly how debilitating it is. Unless you've been there and remember what it's like, "get out and about and pull yourself together" can seriously compound the problem rather than help. It's an illness - a medical condition.

Sadly, this also happens with other "invisible" conditions, such as ME and whiplash. Many people, including medical professionals, react like "I can't see any injuries, so you're not sick, and now stop complaining". They don't even see the error in their thinking.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

My doc just wanted to give me pills and make me go away. I told him I didn't want pills so he put me on a lower dose, I took them once, felt smacked up, never took them again.

On the positive side, it did at least make me realise I had to solve the problem myself.

Some doctors can be a great help, some are outright harmful for your health.

I agree that you must solve your problems yourself, in the sense that you must choose who you go to for treatment. You're the only one who can decide what works and what doesn't. If your doctor only makes things worse, go to someone else.

I disagree that you must solve your problems yourself, in the sense that medics are useless. Some people can get out of a depression alone, but it's not for everyone, and not for every condition.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

A 'friend' is saying I have no right to be depressed. I am /so/ tempted to put her MSN here and let you all yell at her.

Then stuff her. What holds for doctors is also true for friends: be critical who you turn to, and shun them if they make you feel worse. (Later, when you get better, they may be good to be with. But not now.)

Quote from lerts :

what if atlantis was true and we were facing the same destiny

Then the killer whales will take over and rule the world.

But not to worry. Nostradamus, Piri Reis and Hermes Trismegistus will come to the rescue in the flying Great Pyramid, ship us all to Andromeda and we will live in eternal bliss with the Vulcans and the Thetans. (Or something like that. I tend to forget the details. Maybe the Hopi were involved too, and the Templars. Oh, and some onions and catsup.)

Quote from lerts :

if nasa was to calculate when the winter equinox is in 25000 years they would make a mistake of 50 years due to equinox precession accelerating and decelerating

What a bunch of morons an Nasa! Any prediction of the winter solstice has an error of at most half a year...
(FYI: the equinox is not in winter, but in spring and autumn.)

Seriously, I think I can guess what kind of calculation you refer to. Quite possibly this date has an intrinsic randomness, according to current astronomical knowledge. Random means that, by its very nature, it can not be calculated precisely. So, if I assume that the astronomers are right -- like you do yourself -- anyone who makes an estimate that turns out to be very close has merely been lucky. By definition.

Another experiment: ask 100 people in your home town to predict the local temperature exactly 1 year from now. Meteorologists will tell you that any estimate will have an error of at least 5 degrees. Now, if you collect the guesses from these 100 people, I'm sure that next year you will find that your town has a couple of meteorological geniuses!

To make a program, offer it for free download without bragging, and to invite constructive comments, that's something that many 28 year olds won't be able to do. So for an 8 year old, it's pretty amazing.

Shaun, a big for your effort. Sorry for the non-constructive feedback you got in this thread.

Quote from Rooble :

'Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me'

The person who thought that up was obviously never bullied at school. Nor was he/she ever in a bad relationship.
People can be stunningly clever in finding the words that really hurt.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Most drivers in LFS are willing victims of poor driving, because they had the option to avoid an incident and ignored it because either they did not predict it when they should have, or they figured 'its the other guys fault he isnt allowed to do that he wont do that oh bugger its too late'.

I disagree. OK, it may be true for incidents in duels, mid-race. When I'm fighting someone for position and we're heading for the next turn, then I can prepare myself: guess how good the other is, choose my line, and know when to expect a push.

But my major headache is the T1 carnage. Try avoiding that, if you are in the midst of the pack racing towards T1. You can predict the actions of one or two opponents, but not of a dozen. (Especially when some of them are noobs or hotheads.)