That's disturbing..

http://i.imgur.com/eJa4D.png (uncensored but blurry enough)

It was in the news (still image, it is from a video?) and according to the police it is him.

Quote from deggis :

(still image, it is from a video?)

It's a zoomed in still from a video, yes. It was filmed inadvertently from a helicopter by an NRK photographer. They didn't discover that they caught him on tape until they got back to the editing room. Hence the low quality.

Quote from hp999 :

It's quite worrying that all of this shit is taking place in Northern Europe... the Finnish school shooting a few years ago and now this... fk knows what and who's next.

Edit: ↑agreed

I don't think school schootings (there were two) and this case are so comparable. This guy was really organized and had planned this very accurately. Also, in his twisted mind he didn't shoot "civilians", he shot "enemies". It is more comparable to terrorism.

And also, what kind of f*cking organization is that, almost a 1000 young people on the island, political rally, and no security or any sort of police? They were hunted like animals on that island Someone has to resign for this, at least!

Quote from deggis :

I don't think school schootings (there were two) and this case are so comparable. This guy was really organized and had planned this very accurately. Also, in his twisted mind he didn't shoot "civilians", he shot "enemies". It is more comparable to terrorism.

Yarp, though they all have one thing in common... innocent people being murdered.

I just found a video he uploaded, it seems, hours before the attack under the name BerwickAndrew
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21123164bZCBQeZ8

Edit: Full video available on youtube here. The original on youtube was taken down.

horrible.

Quote from deggis :

I don't think school schootings (there were two) and this case are so comparable. This guy was really organized and had planned this very accurately. Also, in his twisted mind he didn't shoot "civilians", he shot "enemies". It is more comparable to terrorism.

In fact, his twisted mind becomes interesting.
He spent 9 years to write (alone?) the 1000 pages book - elaborate on political, even more, transcentendal beliefs.
He spent as he wrote 300,000€ on this study.
And apparently on the attack, which I think the second one was a deliberate rather than as reaction to few victims at blasts.

So... back to his twisted mind - what was he trying to achieve viciously shooting 80 political teens (perceived as opponents) at 600 gathering??? Hatred? Punishment? Shattering common political correct beliefs? Do you think we can find it in "Declaration of Independence"?

From the video, apparently the hatred is what made him do it. Fighting the 'marxists' which I guess in his mind include social democrats.
The scary part is that I can identify some of the thoughts I've had about socialism.. Obviously he takes it to a different level though.

By the way, does your name refer to Ayn Rand? Because that's quite relevant right now :P

well... living in former-marxist state I would tell, in fact more and more they are
But we are not living in crusaders times when fighting means with fire&sword, as we say here.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

And also, what kind of f*cking organization is that, almost a 1000 young people on the island, political rally, and no security or any sort of police? They were hunted like animals on that island Someone has to resign for this, at least!

You have to understand that stuff like this just does not happen here. This is not a threat anyone could predict. Had you told me armed security should keep guard at a place like Utøya two days ago, I'd call you a lunatic. This was always one of the most innocent, feel-good gatherings I knew of.

In Poland we had more than year ago similarly shocking incident with nearly the same deathtoll... It was catastrophy of a plane with 96 politicians of right-wing party, when pilot chose wrong altimeter on landing...even thou we had lots of jokes on the victims the very day the tragedy happened...

Therefore I fully understand how shocking it is for you and connect in deep grieve.

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3.26 Avoiding suspicion from relatives, neighbours and friends

Present a ”credible project/alibi” to your friends, co-workers and family. Announce to your closest friends, co-workers and family that you are pursuing a ”project” that can at least partly justify your ”new pattern of activities” (isolation/travel) while in the planning phase.

F example, tell them that you have started to play World of Warcraft or any other online MMO game and that you wish to focus on this for the next months/year. This ”new project” can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not answering your phone over long periods. Tell them that you are completely hooked on the game (raiding dungeons etc). Emphasise to them that this is a dream you have had since you were a kid. If they stress you, insist and ask them to respect your decision. You will be amazed on how much you can do undetected while blaming this game. If your planning requires you to travel, say that you are visiting one of your WoW friends, or better yet, a girl from your ”guild” (who lives in another country). No further questions will be raised if you present these arguments.

Blaming WoW is also quite strategic due to another factor. It is usually considered ”tabu” or even shameful in our society today to be hooked on an MMO. By revealing ”this secret” to your close ones you are therefore (to them at least) entrusting them with your innermost secret. Usually they will ”contribute” to keeping this secret for you which can be very beneficial. (If people from your ”secondary” social circle ask them they will even usually ”lie” on your behalf (giving you alibi), in order to keep your MMO project a secret.

^ Hate to say it but that is kind of funny.

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February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.

Interesting that he (somewhat experienced shooter) thought it was a realistic game.

I think games should pretty safe because the political agendas will fill the stage.

Just shocked to hear the news, truly shocked! My first thought was "why Norway?". If I'm not mistaking, Norway was proclaimed as the best country to live in, in 2010... that means a lot of effort and care in all aspects of ordinary people's lives....

So... our crusader decides to start his "war to defend" his nation by killing 90 of his own youngsters and destroying parts of his own city? What a brilliant thought! :doh:Wonder why he didn't decide to take the rocket launcher and just shoot at the Parliament when in session, as they are the "real enemy", rather then go fully armed against defenseless kids?

And now, after Islamic fundamentalists, we've got ourselves Christian ones too, capable of leading brave battles against fearsome enemies such as fully armed civilians... fully armed with pencils perhaps and "sinful" thoughts of how to provide for their families, where to go tonight to have a good fun...:irked:

Why is everybody taking a piss on civilians?

Quote from flymike91 :

Retribution is as powerful and valid a human emotion as any other. I don't regret my own feelings against a despicable man and what I consider to be an naive justice system. As if a man who can murder dozens of youths in cold blood can be rehabilitated and put back in society, it's almost laughable.

Ofcourse he wont be rehabilitated. After his 21 year sentance they will find some excuse to keep him locked in.

This is his full 'diary'

http://www.2shared.com/file/M- ... peanDeclarationofInd.html

The short version:
https://docs.google.com/docume ... hzVIpeK6s9-j0&ndplr=1

I only read the short version .. Not fully... But...

Years of planning. It's shocking

If hes not gonna get beaten up to death in prison, someone will do it if he never gets out

oh what a suprise, an rpg recluse fag went on a killing spree.

Bet you any amount of money he had a collection of manga too that and/or comics.

From the book:

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Marius lives only 5 minutes away from my home. He’s been dating a very cute and nice girl named Christine for a couple of years now. She wants to settle down but he’s trying to delay it for as long as possible. He works as a fireman, quite ironic as I will soon ensure he gets his hands full…

This is some freaky stuff. I wonder if the other knights will have the balls to do this kind of stuff later on.

Quote from BlueFlame :

oh what a suprise, an rpg recluse fag went on a killing spree.

Bet you any amount of money he had a collection of manga too that and/or comics.

What a surprise you try to take an unrelated and totally trivial piss in a topic that has actual importance.

Been following the news today, shame as I love Norway as a country.

News says he was shooting more or less continuously for over 45 minutes. What kind of rifle can take that abuse? Unless there were more guns on Utøya.

We here in Norway feel a bit strange now. A friend of mine called it 'a rape', which is kind of fitting, I think.

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just want to say "**** you middle east" when things like that happend.

Well, The US has been saying that for ten years and counting, I think it's safe to say we all hate the ****s in the middle east, Not the innocent people that happened to be born there.

Sad that stuff like this happens. :/

One man army fighting a war without sense. I'm trying to make sense of it but even from his view point it is stupid and contra productive. I could see some kind of argumentation for the bombing, but the slaughter is demented. Ethnic cleansing of social democrats, that can lead to nothing he want to achieve.

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<<Fronting as a WoW nerd to avoid susspicion>>

Quote from deggis :

^ Hate to say it but that is kind of funny.

Very clever... Hmm I have some friends I need to check up now... :-)

Quote from atledreier :

News says he was shooting more or less continuously for over 45 minutes. What kind of rifle can take that abuse? Unless there were more guns on Utøya.

A Ruger Mini-14, a shotgun and a Glock (as from what I find), since he kept cool and methodical, sniping with single shot he could probably go on until he ran out of ammo.

Quote from atledreier :

We here in Norway feel a bit strange now. A friend of mine called it 'a rape', which is kind of fitting, I think.

This is insane, I feel for Norway.

Quote from sermilan :

And now, after Islamic fundamentalists, we've got ourselves Christian ones too

I think it's important not to run the "christian fundamentalist" angle too hard. That wasn't really his main motivation at all. The only way he really used Christianity in this was to separate himself and his own values from "the others"; basically immigrants, particularly Muslims, and people advocating multiculturalism. Christianity was just a handy label to use when thinking "us vs them".

This is fairly typical for Norway. A lot of people here would probably describe themselves as Christian if you asked, but very few actually follow the religion other than maybe going to church for Christmas. That doesn't mean religious thought-patterns don't manifest themselves in other ways though, as this man is evidence of.