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Quote from BlueFlame :
These hacking cars (in a simrace sense) beat someone who could of won the championship, but these hacking cars were beaten by someone else who DID win the championship. Who deserves to win it?

It has absolutely nothing to do with who deserves to win it, the problem is there has been no consistency in the rules this year, the FIA just seem to make them up as they go along. This whole punishments being discretionary business simply doesn't work because it results in a decision that is clearly made on everything but the actual offence committed. IMO a technical infringement should result in a fixed penalty, probably disqualification, with no room for lee way if the car is not within the rules.

Quote from Intrepid :
and also whem most of you said previously that 'karting' moves like that 'couldn't be done in a F1 car'... I think I understand my position fully... Hamilton PROVED you lot have a very limited view of what is possible....

As I have said before it was not an overtaking move, Hamilton just dived into a gap which he shouldn't have done and Barrichello actively worked to avoid contact and give the place away, which he is in no way expected or obligated to do. IMO it's more like a rookie mistake from Hamilton and excellent observation and collision avoidance by Barrichello, although admittedly his driving wasn't as bad as that video you posted.

Now what do you think of this? I suppose you reckon it's a brilliant overtaking move despite the fact it was retarded and resulted in forcing a car off at 160mph? Would you still say the same if they had all made contact and we had seen a sequence of high speed T-bones and flashing lights?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but karts and cars are not the same thing, whilst generally a similar thing and generally those who are good at one are handy in the other they cannot be compared as equals. A kart is basically a glorified motorised push cart, nothing sophisticated about it that's the beauty of them. They're small go round corners quickly and are supposedly not too expensive. In a kart you can get away with a lot more, yes there is a possibility for injuries but generally they're light enough to come to a stop fairly quickly and very rarely have high speed impacts with large speed differentials. Given their nature karts can generally get bashed about more without huge expenditure, they're much smaller so can more easily pass and only run very short races. All this adds up to more aggressive driving and contact being able to be got away with. Now single seaters cannot have contact and get away without, virtually without exception, this means that contact basically ends races and needs to be avoided at all costs.

The main reason why contact is absolutely unacceptable and will always be in proper racing is on grounds of safety though. I'd hazard a guess you've never seen a high speed impact at a track without F1 style safety standards, they're thankfully very rare and I've only seen a handful but trust me when you've seen one you never want to see another. The reason why you see so few big impacts is that accidents are so much rarer due to brainless idiots like yourself being left in karts. If there were routine big accidents in either of the series I've been involved in, the Morgans especially, there would simply some accidents that weren't lucky escapes.
Quote from BlueFlame :you're the one talking out your ass mate, you seem to think Kimi's contract til the end of 2009 and Massa's contract to the end of 2010 mean nothing. I may make myself look like a fool to others, but one thing I never do, is contradict myself. Whether it be stupid logic, or blatent ignorance. (as most of you know no. pretty much ALL of you know.)

just to add to my comments your stupid too and cant see the joke in what i was saying, did you think i was serious about alsonso joing ferrari? thats why i put "lol" at the end, it was a joke to say maybe ferrari will let him join after alonso grassed up Mclaren, dumb ass
Quote from ajp71 :It has absolutely nothing to do with who deserves to win it, the problem is there has been no consistency in the rules this year, the FIA just seem to make them up as they go along. This whole punishments being discretionary business simply doesn't work because it results in a decision that is clearly made on everything but the actual offence committed. IMO a technical infringement should result in a fixed penalty, probably disqualification, with no room for lee way if the car is not within the rules.

A simple excercise:
Let's just, for sake of brevity, consider all technical infringements equally bad. Let's take away Ferrari's points (both racers and constructor) for the movable plank infringement. Since Ferrari data was used during McLaren development let's take away all the points from McLaren (again, both racers and constructor) and boot them from this season. I won't talk about the next one. Let's take away racers and constructor point from any team that committed a technical infringement. What would the outcome be?

That's why I'm satisfied.

But overall you're right, having a set of rules that has no certainty in punishments is silly. Total discretionality is no good.
Quote from andybarsblade :just to add to my comments your stupid too and cant see the joke in what i was saying, did you think i was serious about alsonso joing ferrari? thats why i put "lol" at the end, it was a joke to say maybe ferrari will let him join after alonso grassed up Mclaren, dumb ass

If your joke was so easy to understand, you wouldn't be here explaining it.
Quote from Jakg :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWuHUfU9eB0

1:16 lap from Aryton Senna... in 1991!

That laps as old as i am, and yet it's only 2 seconds slower than today...

It could be much faster now. But there are too many restrictions. Not taking away from Senna, that lap is great..
Quote from BlueFlame :If your joke was so easy to understand, you wouldn't be here explaining it.

only to the one person to stupid not to get it
Quote from tristancliffe :
If you were any good, you'd be racing and winning. Instead you run a shitty clone of karting.co.uk and teach youngsters how to kart. So, judging by your posts, your awful online record, and your driving ability in real life, I'd say you know shit.

Hamilton's move relied ENTIRELY on Barrichello getting out of the way. Bearing in mind the Honda is, what, 3 seconds per lap slower, and Barrichello wasn't going to defend anyway, it was a pretty stupid move. But then you seem to think any pass in F1 by Hamilton must be awesome - maybe you just have a lower IQ that you look (which is already pretty low).

Anyway, in short, you clearly know nothing about F1, racing or LFS (and you can't even be bothered to buy it!!!!).

lol I wouldn't expect anything more from you tristan. Funny how quiet you were when my team COMPREHENSIVELY beat your TEAM IRL at that kart meet a few years ago.... and I wasn't even that fast! anyway... giving me a 100% win rate over you

but again I wouldn't expect anything more from tristan. Delving as deep to throw personal insults says more about his insecurities about what i am saying than it does about me.

out...
Quote from StewartFisher :The only thing I can come up with is that the cooler fuel drops the combustion chamber temperature slightly and therefore allows a higher mass of air into the cylinder during the intake stroke.

thats what i thought too ... most likely youre cooling the air with the injection
if you were to just inject more the only thing youd achieve is a richer mixture

Quote from Intrepid :lol I wouldn't expect anything more from you tristan. Funny how quiet you were when my team COMPREHENSIVELY beat your TEAM IRL at that kart meet a few years ago.... and I wasn't even that fast! anyway... giving me a 100% win rate over you

but again I wouldn't expect anything more from tristan. Delving as deep to throw personal insults says more about his insecurities about what i am saying than it does about me.

out...

great so you as a guy with several years of karting experience managed to beat a bunch of sim drivers which all had a few minutes of rental kart driving experience before the race at best

thats certainly something to be proud of
Quote from andybarsblade :only to the one person to stupid not to get it

Well if I am as stupid as you say, it would mean you are trying to explain a stupid joke to a stupid person.
A pat on the back from me to Tristan too. I dislike the way he handles some matters, but in this case he was absolutely right.

Team vs. team in a kart to say you're a winner is all you got, Intrepid? Your world is really very little. And not only your world.

I may be a shitty driver, but at least I'm not a pathetic loser.

Edit: the pitpass link is interesting. I guess that Hamilton's car was just upgraded to Vista, and without the "Start" word on the button he messed things up.
Yes, they're team won because of Mr Dendy, and because every other team had at least one (out of two) non-karters in them (not including a few arrive and drive sessions, which most people had done). I don't and never have claimed to be a better karter than you, and certainly not as good as Mr Dendy. That doesn't change what I wrote above.
If we could keep the personal abuse out of this thread, it would be appreciated.
Quote from SamH :If we could keep the personal abuse out of this thread, it would be appreciated.

If we could keep the personal abuse out of these FORUMS it would be amazing!
Quote from BlueFlame :If we could keep the personal abuse out of these FORUMS it would be amazing!

The impossible we can do at once. Miracles, though.. take a ticket..
Lol Nice one Blue!
Quote from Jakg :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWuHUfU9eB0

1:16 lap from Aryton Senna... in 1991!

That laps as old as i am, and yet it's only 2 seconds slower than today...

But in 1991, they had 3.5L engines, which would be more powerful than the current ones. But the car would be a brick, aerodynamically in comparison
Huh?

In 1991 the most powerful car had about 700hp and about 15000rpm (maybe less), compared with about 800hp and a lot flatter torque curves of today. Modern cars are so much more driveable.

No paddle shift, no clever diffs, no TC, no pretty much everything.

Also, the track has changed slightly over the years - gradients and radii are slightly tweaked, and the tarmac is probably a lot different.

In Senna's favour, he had a wider track, sticky qualifying tyres (and probably qualifying engines), and vastly more ability over a single lap than anyone other than perhaps Kimi.
Sorry - i just realised i was thinking of the mad turbos of the 80s that had 1500hp in Quali trim.
The mad turbos were 1.5l not 3.5.
You say they didnt have paddle shifts in 1991, what did they do to change gear? Surely a shifter wouldnt fit?

E: i see he was changing gear with his right hand, did the cars have a clutch aswell?
Quote from niall09 :You say they didnt have paddle shifts in 1991, what did they do to change gear? Surely a shifter wouldnt fit?

E: i see he was changing gear with his right hand, did the cars have a clutch aswell?

of course it had a clutch, do you actually know how engines work?

And if i'm correct in 1991 McLaren still had H-shifters (which I think someone said in the onboard video thread here on this forum) and paddle shifters were invented by ferrari in 1989.

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