I have a manual clutch assigned to one of my wheel buttons. I use it when doing 360's in the RB4/FXR warming up the tires. It helps when the revs get so low that the car is nearly stalling, I then just engages the clutch to help raise the revs so the car can keep spinning.
You need to have a clutch of some sort when you have a wheel or whatever controller without clutch axis...
It's part of the car's controll.. no need to explain why you may need to operate it manualy.
If I was Scawen (and had time to read this thread) i wouldn't reply at all - i'd make my decision and act upon it, and then maybe make a quick "well I feel that it's [whatever]" post using my second account...
Very simple as far as I'm concerned. The script is not provided as part of the games code, so by definition it's an addition. This therefore makes it a cheat if it gives any advantage no matter how small over people using the original game code with no modifications. If it modifies code to gain improved performance in the game world then it's a cheat. It is in fact the definition of a cheat in the world of gaming.
That way we never get to know who has the bigger winnie, and in a few months this returns in another thread.
A few patchs ago , saving 2 or 3 gears and using a single shift was very commom...
Losing a race for a cheater is the same thing as winning the race and the cheater doesnt existing.
Do not forget, my friends, there will always be someone cheating the rules! And the desire to be able, to like, to have, will always want to try to be better than the other people for some way. That is the nature of humans.
That is why I am not mad those who seek to cheat. They have bad-fame, I do not. I always search for the fair side, I always value the respect, the passion of the simulator.
A cheater to me is a person that lacks respect for others.
It may not be official yet, but I think deep down everyone knows this is absolutely a cheat. I'm a long time PC gamer, beta tester, even some modding, and this is absolutely the definition of a cheat. At this exact moment in time some may be conflicted, but look at it this way.
If it were made clearly by the dev's/programmers that it "WAS" a cheat, probably only 5% of racers would have an issue with it. However, if it were made clear that it was "NOT" a cheat, I absolutely believe more than half of all racers would have a problem with it.
Buttons instead of proper axis controls are there so you can drive in a way without having a wheel & analog pedals...
That doesn't mean that LFS is not a simulator... you can fit a real car with several servo control systems and drive it with a mouse or keys... it's just not practical in real life.
The problem is not the existence of the button... it's just have to be slower so it doesn't give an unrealistic advantage that also overcomes gearbox restrictions.
Sorry if this is a quote from way back on page 2. I've read every post in this thread and no-one has picked up on this. Duke, do I understand that you think it's fine to have a script that enables the pit limiter to engage/disengage automatically? Surely that means one could never get a Drive through penalty! The question of whether a script for gear changing leaves me unmoved as we're talking about nanoseconds but a pit limiter script sounds very much like cheating.
I consider it an exploit. not as heavy as a cheat but it wouldnt feel nice if i knew the only reason i lose to that guy is because he does this.
I just think its wrong, and if i had a G25, i would do everything possible manual, even if it requires me to re-learn some stuff or slow my laptimes (they arent that great anyway). Damn i paid for clutch pedal an H- shifter. and it feels cooler and more realistic.
You said its because it uses an external program, but is that program made entirelly JUST for cheating? i dont think the logitech programmers did this just so you can win easier... thats why i dont consider it a cheat myself. It feels kinda nice knowing that he used the cheat to win. That means he sucks.Hard.