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travbrad
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Quote from Whiskey :That's part of your problem. Try your wheel in any other sim where the Force Feedback is "realistic" and then you'll know if it is really broken

Quote from travbrad :I've tried in LFS and it has basically the same problem.

Believe me I'd rather play LFS, but every time I try to play the only available (single-seater) servers are BLGP. 10 years of driving the same track is getting old. I don't even want new tracks, just for people to race the tracks that are already available...

Maybe the U.S. time zone is just dead nowadays (it didn't used to be :shrug
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DFP FFB problems?
travbrad
S2 licensed
I went to play some F1 2011 last night and all of the sudden my Force Feedback became very strong (to the point where it was actually difficult to move), but once I get it past about 75 degrees right/left it becomes a bit easier. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling the drivers and Logitech profiler but I still have the problem (I've also tried not using the profiler at all, and still the same issue)

If I set the strength in the profiler very low (like 15), it becomes easier to move again, but the FFB doesn't really seem to work (just seems to get feedback randomly). I've tried in LFS and it has basically the same problem.

Does this sound like a broken motor/wheel? Or is is possibly a software/driver issue? The wheel is quite old (I drove 50,000 miles in LFS alone with it) so it's probably time to get a new one anyway, but the motor seems to be "working" still (just not doing what it's supposed to).

P.S. It still does the rotating "test" thing correctly when I boot up my PC (or plug in the wheel)
travbrad
S2 licensed
I just played for the first time in a couple years, and while there isn't a lack of servers, there is a huge lack of variety. 90% of the servers are running Blackwood, and most of them only with demo cars. Is this what LFS has become while I was away?

I know people complain about the lack of new tracks/cars, but it seems they aren't even using the content that's already in the game..
travbrad
S2 licensed
Well I unplugged all my stuff, uninstalled the logitech stuff, then reinstalled/plugged-in, and that seemed to fix the problem.

I think Win7 tried to install it's own drivers for it or something, because when installing Windows my wheel was moving for about 10mins. So if anyone else installs Win7, I recommend plugging in your wheel after installing.
Windows 7 logitech/pedals problem
travbrad
S2 licensed
Is anyone else out there running the new Windows 7 RC? I have recently installed it, and for some reason I can't get the accelerator pedal to work (in the wingman software, or in any game). The brakes, steering, and all of the other buttons work fine though. I tried the "combined pedals" thing which didn't work either. Any ideas on how to get the accelerator pedal working?

The weird thing is I can get the accelerator pedal "working" (albeit in reverse) by using the brake at the same time, but any time I just use the accelerator pedal there is no response.
travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from Bosse :Havent you crashed beacause of some other spin around in the start? And maybe the race wont be restarted. Then maybe you would like the launch control?

Haven't you had someone crash into you into a corner or under braking? Get rid of all corners and braking zones!
travbrad
S2 licensed
My DFP seemed to work really good at first, but now it seems very "loose", like it makes tiny little movements even when I am not moving the wheel, and it isn't nearly as accurate as I'd like it to be. I have to constantly compensate for these little movements. It also goes slightly off-center now because of this issue, which can get annoying.

So while it's a good wheel, in my experience it doesn't really hold up to long-term heavy use. I've never owned a G25, but it definitely does feel smoother than the DFP. I'm not sure how it compares with regards to durability/reliability, but I would think it's better in those areas too.
travbrad
S2 licensed
I occasionally flip on that curb too. It seems to all depend on the angle you hit it, not necessarily how much curb you use.

In addition to what other people have said, even just 1 extra turn of rear downforce can help a lot with this part of the track as well. You may lose a bit of top speed, but if you can be on the power earlier it sort of evens out.

Those WR/hotlap sets tend to have the minimum downforce possible, and often aren't the easiest to drive. I find a bit of extra downforce often helps a lot. I know I'm not going to be setting world record pace anyway, so for me the important thing is driveability.
travbrad
S2 licensed
I've never used the LFS training stuff, and probably wouldn't have even if it was in the game when I started playing. I learned about racing lines/racecraft from just watching racing, and also other games before LFS.

After you know the fundamentals, the only thing left to do is practice, and what better way to practice than by racing or hotlapping.

This thread got me curious though, so maybe I'll have to give it a try.
travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from Chrester :Another question, if i choose to keep my trusty xp and run a dual boot system (xp and 7 at the same hd) where i can choose witch system to boot on, will i be able to run lfs no matter what?
Thinkin of the serial key unlock problem.
Dont i need to unlock lfs on the new 7?
And if i choose to boot on xp, is that unlocked lfs locked again?

In my example i have two fysical harddisks. HD1 with xp on (and perhaps 7 as a dual boot) and HD2 with my games installed on.

You shouldn't need to unlock LFS again. At least I didn't. You can access your other hard drive/partition from Windows 7 and play LFS straight from there (since LFS can run straight from a folder).

Some games may have issues trying to run this way though, because they need registry entries and extra software to work.
travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from GP4Flo :How do you get those massive FPS gains? Can you check if LFS now uses both cpu cores with windows 7?

There has to be something configured wrong or some sort of driver problem for him to get that kind of difference in FPS. That's the only explanation.

Still only uses 1 CPU for me. That's how the game was/is is coded, changing operating systems won't change that. When LFS came out dual/quad-core CPUs didn't exist, so there was no reason to code for them.

I would have thought any dual core CPU would run LFS flawlessly though (because LFS is pretty old and dual-core CPUs are pretty new), even though it only uses 1 core.

Quote from Shotglass :what kind of useless usb sticks do you guys use? a modern hdd does 70-90mb/sec a good usb stick will do 25-30 so ~1/3 the speed
not exactly too slow

Well running at 1/3rd speed would still be significantly slower. Whether it's fast enough to "get by" I don't know, but I think for the best experience you'll obviously want to run it from a HDD.

Keep in mind that number for HDDs is the sustained speed as well. Modern HDDs have burst speeds of 200-250mb/s, and burst speed is what matters when it comes to quickly loading applications/small files/etc.

Also, as someone mentioned the amount of writing Windows does will wear out your flash drive very quickly. They just aren't designed to have data constantly being written to them in the way Windows does.
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travbrad
S2 licensed
1:13.930, I suck at blackwood.

No photo, and I'm not sure how a photo would help? Video/replay maybe...but photo?
travbrad
S2 licensed
Games seem to run slightly slower for me than with XP, much like Vista. It does seem to be an improvement over Vista though, generally speaking. It's not quite so bloated, and there are less annoyances.

It honestly seems more like a Vista upgrade than a whole new OS though. I suppose calling it Windows 7 will avoid the negative stigma of Vista, not to mention they can charge full price since it's a "new" OS.

Quote from Arrow. :Windows 7 lookings interesting..
Can you guys please tell me what its like lag wise? online play? is it any better or any worse than vista?

Hope you can help thx

I think it's pretty much the same. Lag is usually more dependent on your internet connection and network (NIC, router, modem, etc) than anything else.
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travbrad
S2 licensed
1680x1050 (16:10) 19"

Apparently I'm using 99 FOV right now, but I do change it frequently, even during races sometimes (I have the buttons assigned on my wheel). I'd say it's usually between 85-105 though
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travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :I've found the opposite. rFactor has the cartoony unreal graphics to me. But it's not especially sad.

Yeah, I've always thought so too. Rfactor has really "soft" graphics, and overdone shadows/lighting.

I think a track editor would be cool, but I'm fairly content with what we have now. I haven't mastered even one combination, let alone all of them. I do hope to drive Nordschleife in LFS at some point in the distant future though

I honestly think we should leave the cars completely to the devs though. The cars we have seem very authentic and high quality. Rfactor has some pretty piss-poor user created cars, and it's hard to even find servers racing the particular car you enjoy driving (because there are just so many).
travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Looks dangerous for anyone over 5ft 10".

Yet another similarity to F1
travbrad
S2 licensed
Quote from Ikaponthus :Is there anyone here who effectively races with anything but a high-quality steering-wheel and pedal setup? Speak now, what are you best lap times?

When I hurt my arm awhile ago I had to use a mouse for steering (still pedals for throttle/brake though) to be able to play LFS. It took some getting used to, but eventually I was just as fast as I was with a wheel, and I actually got my best ever result in an OWRL race while using a mouse.

It was definitely harder correcting big mistakes though (no FFB, plus a mouse doesn't have an obvious center/straight position), and I think it would be very hard driving on the absolute limit because of that. I'm not good enough to drive on the limit even with a wheel though, so it didn't make as much difference.

I generally agree with your post though
travbrad
S2 licensed
I'm a big fan out CTRA servers, mainly because there's a good variety of track layouts to race on. The points/license system is nice too, but I mainly just like racing at tracks other than blackwood.
travbrad
S2 licensed
I think the should make it possible. I wouldn't think it would be that difficult either?

That being said, I've never done a driver switch, so if it's a lot of work I'd prefer other changes/additions first.
travbrad
S2 licensed
No, because it would just encourage banzai moves and crashing your way past people, not to mention hitting barriers in south city (so basically it'd be like Gran Turismo )

As mentioned, it wouldn't really help beginners either because damage helps you learn to drive without crashing.
travbrad
S2 licensed
I think an Ultima GTR would be sweet, although probably not very likely since it's so rare. Maybe they'd be easy to convince that way though (good publicity)?


Honda NSX, Lotus Elise/Exige, and some sort of 70s era F1/open-wheeler would be cool too.
travbrad
S2 licensed
I'd prefer wet weather, but I don't expect it to happen (at least not any time soon). For a truly realistic simulation of wet conditions, it would require dynamic weather, and also dynamic track conditions. This is an enormous task, to say the least. I think it would basically require a complete rework of the entire game physics/engine.

I wouldn't mind a more simplistic rain simulation though, just with less grip and some spray/rain effects. I imagine even that would take a huge amount of work though.
travbrad
S2 licensed
Just noticed this: http://pc.ign.com/articles/886/886340p1.html

Interesting idea, I had never heard of this happening (maybe I'm just out of the loop? ). I don't have the talent or the physical characteristics for it (I'm 6'5"), but it sounds like an awesome opportunity.

That's a very big/major gaming website too, so it's nice to see LFS getting a mention
travbrad
S2 licensed
When it's damaged particularly bad you can tell by the popping sound too. Not sure how much help it is though, it's hard to "undamage" your engine
travbrad
S2 licensed
Yep, as suspected you are downshifting too fast, especially in turn1 and the right turn after the long straight. The engine is at/past the redline when you are downshifting which is very hard on the engine. Just try downshifting a bit slower so that you aren't at/above max revs. Downshifting like that can also upset the stability of the car (and even cause a spin), so you might even find it easier to control into the corners with slower downshifts.
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