Still can't believe this news, just so sudden. I feel spooked to reflect and realise his final kilometres in LFS were spent pushing me back to pits after 12hr race...
The car is not wholly different to the previous build, we're still continuing with most of the techniques we used on the early build. Thankfully though there is no more irritating "floaty" feeling - the car felt hopeless previously without sufficient downforce pushing the car into the road. On NTMv5 we have slightly more mechanical grip so now by default the car is much more predictable in low speed corners, and we're able to tweaks things in the setup which weren't possible before (for example: anything other than softest rear suspension was unworkable / undriveable, even at layouts like Silverstone and Spa).
But there is an overriding problem. In a simulator you can push the boundaries to the extreme, and what we're seeing again are slight drifts into corners and on the absolute limit of traction again exiting the corner - as the tyres don't degrade, there is no punishment for doing this. So whilst we were fighting to find stability last season, we're now pushing the setups back to "neutral-oversteer" feeling as that's the fastest way to drive this car. Despite a narrower front and rear slip angle, it still allows us to slide in and out of the corner in perhaps unrealistic ways, and even though 2009 Bridgestone tyres were notoriously hard compound (though still a bit softer than 2010 spec), there needs to be more punishment for ill-treatment of tyres. But everyone knows iRacing are light years behind everyone else in the tyre department, despite their serious two year focus and typical PR boom about it.
Nevertheless, it's definitely an improvement. Hopefully there is more to come - tyre temperatures and pressures need to be fixed, as well as the 'garage bug' which doesn't even give an accurate reading of ride heights, spring deflection, ARB preloads etc. As for adapting to the new car, I did a laptime 0.7 seconds off the eventual pole after just ~15 laps on an Interlagos setup, so it's easy enough to get near the limit. Getting closer and closer to that limit is the next challenge, but with some careful preparation and planning on the setup, it was achievable.. lots of front runners didn't even practice much and still had competitive times. Now that the car is easier to drive, I expect the gaps will close very slightly, but Redline hooked up an incredible setup this week which overshadowed the gaps behind, hence they had no opposition and could cruise the entire race. Hugo did an amazing job to stay within ten seconds of Greger despite a visibly slower car actually, not many people observed this.
1. Who will win drivers' world championship: Vettel
2. Which team will win constructors' world championship: Red Bull
3. Who will score more points in 2013. Bottas or Maldonado: Maldonado
4. What is the best race finishing result for Adrian Sutil in 2013: 5th
5. Do you think Sergio Perez will win at least one race in 2013: Yes
6. Who will score more points in 2013. Hamilton or Rosberg: Rosberg
7. First driver you think will lose his drive during 2013 (miss at least one race): Räikkönen
8. Will Caterham or Marussia score points in 2013: Yes
9. Do you think Massa will win at least one race in 2013? No
10. Does Kubica drive F1 car before the last race? No
11: Winner of Australian gp: Vettel
12. Winner of Monaco gp: Hamilton
13. How many points will the dwc winning driver have at the end of the season: 296
UTC Time of Incident: 19:17
Lap and Location of Incident: Lap 6 Turn 2
Your Car Number: 04
Other Car(s) Involved: 01, 60
Brief Description of Incident: 01 drives into 04 in the braking zone - possible involvement from car 60. 04 half spins, loses time and positions.
• The correct lap 6
• The cars (/teams) involved #01 and #27
• The lap/sector/time Lap 6, Sector 1 Turn 2
• And a short description from your point of view - #27 uses car #01 as a brake entering the T2 hairpin. As a result, car #01 loses 4 positions.
Absolutely agree with u Sermilan, he is a ****ing idiot and will never learn his lesson. I don't even race here but I'm appalled by this. A 5 place grid penalty is ridiculous considering his idiot driving, and he already has two warnings.. this is a guy who wrecks in almost anything he does.. even crashing in the pit lane and revenge wrecking his own team-mate account to his achievements. Ego prick. It's one thing to crash into people all the time, but to then be an arrogant bastard about it afterwards?
Maybe u need to stop watching all that Senna bullshit, cos too much of it is going to ur head. Keep this up, and nobody remembers u as a fast driver, but they remember what a wrecker u were - kinda like ur hero in that way so maybe that's what u want. Like u he could never accept blame he was so in love with himself on the track.
Usually I don't give a shit for anything u do cos on and off the track u try to be as much an idiot as Senna was so u just don't deserve any attention, but when ur taking cars out with ur stupid Senna quotes playing in ur head maybe somebody should speak out against u brainless idiot. Maybe u think ur the only guy who deserves to win sometimes but have some respect for some other cars around u - 3 crashes in 3 races - bravo, even Senna couldn't manage that. Predictably I guess u flashed ur lights and beeped ur horn for the rest of the race.
Seenas WINNING is so important to u, I recommend u drive some crappy GT3 league if u never wanna lose. I'm sure u will like that very much! As said already in these threads, you could win this race easily but still u showed lack of intelligence in the car as always If u had a brain, it might actually be difficult to beat u in races, but it's kinda like bullfighting - only difference is a bull can't engine rape and ignore his team-mates.
First of all sorry for protesting only u My3id, but when u call for people to be penalised on a ****ing abandoned start then infringe the same rules urself u deserve same treatment when ur driver goes out there and makes a fool of himself again. Also rest of the action is none of our business seenas we have only one car left.
So why didn't Tomek just stay behind thru the corner then draft him down the straight if u make it sound so easy and common sense to do? And if I look at the positions list our driver went from 1st to 2nd as a result of that, that looks like he lost the lead.
Second protest was done without access to a replay because I couldn't get it in time. Nevertheless, his speed dropped to 55kph on my screen which is a bit excessive lets be honest although it's nothing to make an issue about, even though admin CSF seemed to think it was.
Then the weave, well, make ur own judgement on that but he ruined his own chances by moving that far to the outside of the track, so maybe he can just live with that burden. Still, it was a dangerous move. If you're gonna be that aggressive at least have a good spatial awareness. With any lag involved that could've been a seriously bad result for both cars.
e: Tough break on the timeout My3id, that is of course out of your control and we can't be pleased about that. Nevertheless, ego can bite u in the ass sometimes.
Session of Incident (Q1, Q2, Q3, Race) - Race
Lap AND Timecode of Incident (eg Lap 4, 9:02.32) - Race start, Turn 1.
Your Car number - 46
Other car(s) involved - 03
Brief description of incident (location included please) - Car 03 divebombs into relatively short braking zone and makes contact with Car 46 - who clearly has the high ground for the corner causing Car 46 to lose the lead.
Session of Incident (Q1, Q2, Q3, Race) - Race
Lap AND Timecode of Incident (eg Lap 4, 9:02.32) - First SC restart, Turn 1.
Your Car number - 46
Other car(s) involved - 03
Brief description of incident (location included please) - Car 03 slows unnecessarily on the restart then swerves towards Car 46 on the straight.
I think u better go and google 'irony' before u die in a pool of it.
You shouldn't even be allowed to race here because u clearly lack any critical thought in what u do. You're only 1kph slower down the straight and still in ur stupid little mind that can equate to 2s over a lap, because of how it reaches the top speed! Disregarding rev limiters (which neither u or the FZR's were close to) explain to me how that is actually possible (let alone realistic). Powerband? Or is there something else the rest of the world has been missing out on that you've been hiding from us?
Well then Einstein I guess u better load up some telemetry and prove it to us (if ur capable of doing that) - but these restrictions are not gonna change so stick that in ur ****ing pipe and smoke it dumb idiot - there are people who aren't native English speakers who make more sense than u. That combined with ur lack of intelligence mean it's impossible to take anything u say very seriously. On a small straight with it's 4WD an FXR will gain time rather than lose it. Don't blame ur incompetence on the restrictions because many have tried in the past have failed - so improve ur own performance first before thinking about it. Try watching the leaders to see what u were doing wrong all this time because u were way off the pace and driving like shit.
If u were such a 'know it all' you would've used R3/R2 (maybe even R4/R3 or R3/R3 in severe cases) compound tyres for the entirety of this season, but u didn't which just rendered ur opinion about these related discussions worthless. I thought we were passed this barbaric shit, but u just confirmed retards still live in this world and always will. Anyway the rest of the thread is already proving u wrong but u know best. Good day.
So where to start with u then ignorant bastard, who chose not to do your own research and indirectly criticise other peoples, instead relying on blind assumption and making yourself look like a ****ing idiot infront of everyone. This just feels like a waste of time even making an effort to say anything when I or anyone else shouldn't give a shit, but u test my patience. Either you're a very good troll or u lie about ur birthdate, ****ING PHONY!!!
First of all, in a race like today on a race track, you change velocity. We don't race on a ****ing dragstrip, it's a ****ing race track. You know, there are something called "corners" in between the straight bits which u build a setup around. These "corners" prevent u from just staying on 100% throttle for 100% of the lap and running 1/1 wing and this being a top speed contest.
These EXACT restrictions have been in place for nearly a year now since the start of the 2010/11 season of Grand Touring Amateur League in various other leagues too, and almost identical versions have been used for the past three years, including the Masters of Endurance series. OK, sometimes people have moaned that XRR is maybe a few tenths too quick here and there. But what's this?! Under our noses, Mr. Know ****ing nothing at all has spotted: "hang on, FXR is two seconds slower!!! blasphemy!" Let's change it!
Now, for a league where two seconds is the difference between being 1st and 21st, do u think the organisers would make such an elementary mistake? Maybe you don't buy logic then if ur still disagreeing. Didn't it ever occur to u that when u pull away 0.5 seconds from the car behind exiting a hairpin that might not be down to ur driving Godliness? And then losing 2 tenths on a 1km straight is the organisers taking a dump on u.
Go to 19m00s in the replay if u still care and watch 3rd place 03 T.Nogiec (who actually led the race for a long period of time) in the cheating FZR that is gaining 2s on u on the straight As he brakes before T1, he does 238kph. Then along comes driving Gods -insert whatever the **** ur team name is here - and they hit 237kph. ..... awkward silence.
And unless u think Nogiec is on a high wing setup seenas you're Einstein and have probably thought of this already - race leader (and winner \o/) I.Price hits 240kph on a LOW wing FZR setup before braking for T1. That is FACT - go look it up in a dictionary. To further sum this up: "to prove my point ... <insert blablabla here> " - you didn't prove shit, u just posted ur opinion and have ignored the factors infront of u and just wanna make ur shit car quicker so u can get an easy ride to victory.
If u call FXR being TWO SECONDS!!!!!!!! slower a fact, then what the **** do u call that birthday u put on LFS World as?
What the **** did I just read?
Summary of essay: If it's such a shit slow car, why did u choose it then decide to moan about it 4/5 of the way through the season
Kind regards,
I could beat u on a ****ing keyboard
This was one of the best races I've ever competed in since I started sim racing. For the near future at least I have to concentrate more on the pile of shit called iPaying or iRacing or whatever it is. But racing against competition like this on this sim is something I really wanted, whether it's the last thing I do here or not.
I ****ed up the quali trying Bawbag WR set for first time. Rolling start then increased the deficit and I got held back in traffic at the start of the race despite being one of the heaviest out there. Jarl kept out of trouble and when he did have to defend he did it well keeping a cool head under the pressure - I'm usually strong mentally but he completely fooled me with his switchback on the oval which I didn't expect and broke my rhythm - his pace came as a surprise after all the sandbagging too. Anyway he did good job, and I'm happy the title could be decided in such a way with Jarno right up with the action at the end too. Was a great way for the season to end. Pity Robbin wasn't in the midst of the action too but that's racing, and it doesn't always go right sometimes, just gotta look ahead to next one.
Doesn't feel too bad to lose actually. Stops u from being complacent at least, eheh. Anyway, great season - certainly one to remember and a deserving champion in the end. Thanks for the admining and the good competition. See u all next season maybe.
Another +1 here. Overhyped, underwhelming shit - even if it is where the competition is at, and that dictates everything. Buncha lip service, really shocking ****-up though.
I've had time to reflect on this race and it's one that will stand out for a while and I will take lessons from it. I was expecting it to be competitive and it was, but mostly as I'm in awe of Jarno's performance. I'll cover this rambling one by one from my side, sorry if this becomes a little bit ego-centered but I feel inclined to contribute and that seems the only way in a drivers-based championship.
I'm not a particularly fast driver nor do I have racing talent in abundance, but I make up that deficit by driving with intelligence and through maximum preparation. Something was a little different here though, I always fly at this track regardless of the car I drive, so felt a subconscious arrogance heading into it that I could challenge for a race win with not much practice. Well, turning ur first laps on the Thursday/Friday preceding the Saturday event was a mistake, and seenas I like to achieve the best possible result for this championship in particular, I felt a bit pissed off at my shit pace, couldn't find a balance and couldn't run the car how I wanted to - ran out of ideas on the setup with limited time. That whole "fighting for the championship to the end" deal - a 103 point deficit with only 4 rounds to go looked over.
Well, Saturday afternoon I felt lil bit more comfortable - but still had a shit qualifying without even testing the Q set and didn't expect top 3 in the race. However, improved on the race setup with not long to go and surprisingly was up to P2 after 5 laps. Jarno built a big lead while the front pack battled though, which meant playing catch-up for 60 laps. On the whole it was a boring race, just push, push, push all the way - even though P1 was pretty much out of the question knowing Jarno's typical fuel strategy. That late race safety car closed things up, and on equal conditions we had similar pace, but after watching the replay - I can take a few things from that. He seemed to find a style of driving the car under the limit that could bring super consistency which didn't extend the gap, but still maintained it.
In the end, it was all he needed to do, so I feel like a bit of an **** driving on my limit for 60 laps and smelling like a tramp afterwards when 2nd was best possible result anyways. So congratulations for breaking some of ur opposition. But in all seriousness we can learn a lot from that. It was a great, tough race. Not much more to say than that. Note to self: prepare.
****ing finns, but where would we be without u.. oh, and hopefully we get a deserving champ winner in the end. cya at fern bay
During a league race today a bizarre pit bug occured to my team-mate as he stopped into his pit stall for a damage repair.
After making a spin and collecting damage on both the right front and right rear suspension, the driver makes a pit stop on the same lap to repair the damage. After stopping in the pit box, there is an initial period where the car is serviced normally, but approximately two seconds after the pit stop is made, both right side suspensions suffer moderate lower wishbone damage.
Incident demonstrated via YouTube, timecode 0:28:-
I can't really think why it would do this, but one thing to note was his input of throttle slightly preceding the incident. The damage isn't suffered immediately upon service, but when throttle is applied, less than half of a second later the damage is inflicted. I know an spr of such an incident would be a lot more appreciated but if anyone else has experienced this or if it's a known bug, then it would save a lot of time.
So soon after a patch change, this is a suspicious incident. Nevertheless, the incident is there so it would be appreciated to get some clarification on that or fix as it was a very costly incident and potentially important to anyone it happens to.
Unfortunately the race replay is too big to attach and I'm unsure if mpredit will work on this updated LFS version, so thought it would be better to post the whole replay: