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Albieg
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Quote from STROBE :
Ferrari International Assistance...

As I explained earlier, Ferrari hasn't been assisted so much this year... Unless you'd like to question the way Ferrari was developed using stolen data without losing a single racer point... Wait, wasn't that the other way round?
Albieg
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I agree with what you wrote. In fact I'm quite astonished I found myself rooting for Ferrari this year since I've never felt any kind of sympathy for them until this season.
Albieg
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Quote from BlueFlame :Well you have to Admit, the reason Ferrari can get away with it, is because they have a way... how can I put it so everyone understand... I think it is called 'arse licking' but I'm not sure

I wouldn't talk about arse licking... I'd just say that some people (not only Italians) are really smart asses. The way Ferrari reacted to every single episode of this year was focused on facts. When Ferrari got unjustly penalised for the tyre issue the FIA had to issue a statement that sounded like a way to avoid an apology, but Ferrari didn't make a fuss. They knew it wouldn't help.

All they did was to act in the smartest possible way avoiding any kind of emotional response. They kept their cool in the worst moments and aimed for a result. This simply didn't happen in McLaren, who messed up things very badly. The official complaint is likely to put them under the spotlight again as the super villain.

I really don't understand how such a team could waste an enormous amount of sympathy just like McLaren did.
Albieg
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Quote from BlueFlame :It just... It's too coincidental IMO.

Too many coincidences. Am I wrong, or McLaren during all this season has been using all the questionable tactics Ferrari has been renowned for, except that they were completely unsuccessful?
Albieg
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Quote from tristancliffe :
Hamilton's move relied ENTIRELY on Barrichello getting out of the way. Bearing in mind the Honda is, what, 3 seconds per lap slower, and Barrichello wasn't going to defend anyway, it was a pretty stupid move.

A little reminder from page 12:

Quote from Albieg :Still having troubles finding real life racers to race with, Intrepid?

I thought Hamilton was lucky there, Barrichello has been intelligent and managed to avoid a racing incident. It was just a question of time, and he knew it, so he didn't close the door.

8 pages, as Nobi said... other opinions don't differ that much. Intrepid reminds me of a thing called Flat Earth Society.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :a separate forum for different opinion to yours..??. interesting... I thought forums were about debate and opinion... but yh i like your way of thinking...

what makes a good forum...? everyone agreeing... yh that sounds really interesting...

Yawn. Again. No, a forum is a place for debates. I suspect you don't know what a debate is. Get a dictionary, you badly need it.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :and now you can see why I wanted him to set up my own server of specific drivers... making sense now????

Make your own forum too, please.
Albieg
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Quote from Jakg :Perhaps they factored this in and deliberately made the fuel colder so it would warm up to req. temp during the race?

Probably, but the fact that only McLaren filed an official complaint tells me that this could be a widespread and well known practice, and just a team is trying to gain some advantage from whistleblowing. The whole paddock, as I reported yesterday, was in a bad mood (except for McLaren), so it looks like someone went too far.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :I think I understand my position fully...

I do too. That's why I think you shouldn't be here.
Albieg
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Yes, it makes sense. You got penalised 3 times on CTRA and you keep repeating your mantra about how to race, each time drawing more criticism and annoying more people who like heated debates and races but dislike boring brats. A lot of people disagree and a lot of people wouldn't like to race with you here. You're unable to have a sound judgement in this forum and you don't want to listen to other people's opinions. Even in a track you're not alone, and I suspect you would have the same attitiude thinking you're always right. Why don't you shut up and listen instead of repeating your mantra like a broken record? Show me you have a brain and two ears.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :the same incredibly stupid moves that ensure a rookie beat the 2xWDC in the same car? That's racing. That's why Hamilton is there and you, and I are not!

Judging from the way you see that shitty pass of Hamilton, the only thing that keeps you alive is the fact that you race in karts or sims.
Albieg
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Quote from ajp71 :Or how about "You just lost the WDC because you were beaten by 3 cheaters"

and none of them racing in a McFerrari, scandalous!
Albieg
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Quote from SamH :I don't have anything to gain by making up stuff Someone, somewhere, must have claimed it

[edit] or if not claimed it, at least posed it as a question worth asking

In this case, more than a question worth asking, I'd like to have answers, and lots of them. But without any data to back up such hypothesis (or information about the reliability of the source) I'll consider this a conspiracy theory.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :DeKo - that isn't a temperature infringement though! close, but no cigar!

Yawn.

(and I press 1)
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :
sore...too right! lol

Yes, sore losers. McLaren has been a total delusion for me this year. I lost a lot of the respect I had for them, and I'm losing it day by day.
Albieg
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Quote from J.B. :Exactly, none of that stuff would stand a chance in a civil court. Ferrari on the other hand won Australia with a hinged, movable underfloor.

You're wrong. The evidence came from an Italian police investigation, and has been proved reliable. So McLaren wouldn't stand a chance.

Much more debatable is the way in which such evidence went from the Italian police to Ferrari, which has not been yet disclosed. I see an ethical problem here, but at the same time this ethical problem doesn't mean McLaren didn't use the data. It is certain.

This evidence would not only stand in a civil court, but it will stand in a criminal court, probably.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :nope. Macca are appealing. I suspect they just want the time to look at the evidence.

Sore losers. I've seen quite a lot of them.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :
You don't send someone to jail for stealing bread!

And what a tempting slice of bread it is, worth millions of dollars. Can I have a slice too?
Albieg
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Quote from Mazz4200 :wasn't Intrepid, was it ?

If the selective whistleblower was hysterical like that, I perfectly understand FIA's decision.
Albieg
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Quote from Mazz4200 :Hmmm, by my reading of it, they either knew they were cheating but couldn't prove it, or they were acting on a tip off from someone who hoped they were ?

The second one.
Albieg
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And this tells it all. Even an appeal at the court of Paris couldn't grant anything more than a huge fine or deduction from constructor points, starting from this deliberation. Anything more would be considered just one more outrage.
I don't know if it's a good decision or not, but I'm satisfied.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :From what I can recall the FIA could not secure that any

1. Illegal parts were being run on the car
2. that parts on the car were designed with knowledge of the Ferrari materal

They ASSUMED quite a lot, but not could not really 100% prove it. The evidence was strong, but not conclusive. The element of doubt was very important ion this case.

However with the BMW, and Williams case the COLD hard evidence is there.

Let;s take another example. If I jump the start and gain what .250 would I not be punished with a driver through??? Surely an estimated 10hp advantage over 70 laps is WAY ON AND ABOVE .250.

If you gain an unfair advantage by driving 1. illegally 2. running illegal patrs or fuel you have to punished properly!

Intrepid, do you seriously believe in what you write? You know, you have a certain comedic sense... And I thought you had no sense of humour. I was wrong.
Albieg
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Quote from Intrepid :
Stepneygate is irrelevant to this specific case!

:ices_rofl

(I'm not repeating myself. I can distinguish between comical and ridiculous.)
Albieg
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I've come to a solid conclusion, Intrepid. You could be the first to land in my ignore list. I don't like the way you attack and run away from the debate, reiterating your points ad nauseam.
Solid conclusions... just like testicles. They are extremely personal. Sometimes in a boring way.
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