Quote from dodo.ger :

scawen, i really dont wont to bother you as you seem to have to do much anyway, at least with reading, but some pages back, i asked for another unlock to take a look at u33 sounds. i tried u32 and liked most of the sounds, but i just couldnt stand driving the fo8 in an hour race with the new sound so i did go back to u30 and used my 2 unlocks.

can i please get another unlock to try u33? someone else asked too btw.

And that someone else got replied to - click on the "contact us" link at the bottom of this page, and e-mail technical support, don't ask here.

Quote from Gunn :

Yeah but then your sound is screwed up for every other program.

What he's saying is that if you have the balance right on your eq for other programs, it should be fine for LFS. I really can't see the point of having an eq in-game. And the relative volume of the sounds should be limited in adjustability (as it is). In fact, I think its good that it doesn't allow excessive adjustability. I wouldn't mind certain sounds being split up more though.

Quote from mouse-user321 :

I'm stuck.

I've downloaded and installed the U32 patch, but now I don't when I open LFS I'm a demo racer when I should be S2 (fully paid etc).

Have I done something wrong? How do I fix this?

Thanks

There's been a change in the license system, fixing a bug. This leads to many people having to redo their unlock. Everyone got a free extra unlock because of this with the release of U32. So you'll just have to unlock LFS again.

Whilst I agree that U33 sounds better than U its not that far ahead... whilst we who have been keeping up with this thread can see that the sound is getting better and know that more is to come in the nearish future, I'm quite worried about the reaction of people who don't know this. "Sound improvements!" on the main page will get so many people excited... most of those people will be pretty disappointed when they hear sounds that aren't much different from U33.

EDIT: Thanks, kallelix.

Quote from tristancliffe :

GTR(2) - if you can convince thousands of players that dodgy tyre slip curves are even vaguely correct (and all the handling problems that ensures) then no wonder they won't play LFS.

Haha, I've always been amused by how people on the GTR2 forum will throw Doug Arnao's biography at your physics arguments. illepall

I actually can't think of a 1.8l straight six offhand, that would sound like an LX6, even in another non-louts 7 car. And I can't find a matching lotus replica or caterham. Perhaps the closest would be a BMW 320i E36 - I think those are pretty common in Lotus 7's, after some tuning... any ideas?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Good idea. Does the LX4 sound like the LX6 now, or are there still subtle differences using the same file in different cars? In which case, maybe someone should try some combinations to see what improves what!

The sound is pretty much the same, I think - only different due to the different acceleration of engine revs.

EDIT: For LX4-like sounds, "locosts" are worth looking up (coming from Low cost lotus 7 replica) as they are essentially the same thing. For example: http://video.google.com/videop ... 145254570563&q=locost

Last edited by axus, Tue 19 Dec 2006, 11:52.

There should also be an option: "Notify me of test patches : Yes / No"

Quote from Lajoosh_ :

used all my unlocks after reinstalling u30. cant try u33

E-mail technical support ("contact us" at the bottom of this page). Don't post this here.

I've been driving the LX4 around and I think it sounds utterly horrible. There's a constant ring to it (kind of "zzzzzzzzzzzzz" tone) in the background which is pretty annoying. I really think that the LX6 sounds a lot like the LX4 should and the LX6 should be a bit more raspy and so forth.

EDIT: I just put the LX6 sound file in place of the LX4 one. ROOAWRAWR Its damn near perfect if a bit too throaty.

Last edited by axus, Tue 19 Dec 2006, 10:52.

Quote from Enforcer-J :

I don't wanna have to stick to U30 forever just because the sound is horrible.

I can't believe that anyone can say that the old sounds are better than U33 apart from the BF1 which is still arguable. Every other car has moved forward. Still, its undeniable that they still need work.

They are getting to a sort of roaroraroooooooommm now, if that makes any sense, so definitely closer to the desired "rrroooooaaaaawrwrrwrrwararararrrrrrr". (desired sound by ORION.)

Just had another listen to the FZR... when driving it really hard, it sounds like its cruising really loudly. Its a bit boring really. Then the revs accidentally slipped higher, a bit into the redline, but gently because my foot wasn't all the way down. It sounded like the RWOAOAWOROAR I wanted to hear was starting to develop.

Quote from StanleyCarter :

erm... I don't get it, where is U33? I've checked the first page and there's only U32.

Download U32. Once you have it installed, run it and go to Multiplayer -> List of Games. You will be notified of a patch and be asked if you want to download it. This will update LFS automatically. You will never have to manually download a patch again.

EDIT about sound: I really think that what Todd said about variation of the waveform with RPM needs to be looked into, don't think there's enough of that atm.

Auto-update went smoothly, nice work with that.

A great general improvement in sound across the board. I don't think anyone can say its worse than U. I'm still not convinced by the gear whine (assuming anything's changed apart from volume). I hope to see that being played around with. The LX4 still sounds a tad muffled to me. I second Tristan on his BF1 comments, but its a lot better than it was in U32 for sure.

I think that the engine sound gets reduced to an annoying hummmmm at high RPM in many cars though (4-cyl ones especially). They really need more violence still . Although, I like where U33 is going.

EDIT: BTW, title still says U32.

Last edited by axus, Mon 18 Dec 2006, 19:17.

Quote from KiDCoDEa :

todd u are well known for taking every oportunity to showcase your work and point us to the commercial website. im fine with that since obviously the mods never noticed thats what u do in this forum for years.
but taking the test patch and showcasing your synth engine... man... doesnt really matter what deaf axus begs you to do. its nowhere near the quality of lfs and just killed off my ears with fatality move.
stop hyping what u never did and please stop hyping yaaself and leading a few clown to post everywhere about you. its not cool and makes u look less talented than what u may be. its been 3 years with avis that look worse than racer. feel free to post cool stuff on the offtopic section if u really care.
and please stop acting as mr bridgestone who is married to mrs yokohama.

Kid, kindly stop trolling around here like you own the place. Its getting unbearable lately. Make yourself another fake RSC account and go troll there if you need to get it out somewhere. You're also being a presumptuous moron and showing no-one respect. Your argument about a commercial site is inherently backward because its always something hosted on the site and not a direct link to the site. And its not of something for sale at the site in the first place.

With regards to whether what he said has a place in this thread, that depends entirely on his intentions with it. I've heard a car with exhausts going straight to the side of the car (no muffler etc), and its a pretty unbearable and similar noise. Simulate the rest of the exhaust, add the actual engine sounds, transmission whine and what have you and you have some awesome sound.

Also, if you're gonna type something like your above post, please make sure its properly understandable.

Quote from underthesky :

I Thought this thread was about the new patch and its compability? I was wrong obvioysly,

No, you weren't. The question was answered about 3 times before, by Scawen and by others though.

Quote from Test Patch Forum Rules :

YOU MUST : Read the first post before installing any TEST patch.

It's VERY important to read the announcement post of any patch before installing it. If you don't know what's been added to the patch, there's no way you can know what you are testing. And this will save you writing posts about things we already know. And PLEASE read the whole thread before posting. We are trying to keep the test patch threads short and to the point. We do not want multiple reports of the same bug, or suggestions that have already been made.

EDIT: To add something constructive to this post, I think that the sound needs to be louder on lift off, ie. say you're going at 5500rpm and you lift. The sound should be different to the sound you get when you lift at 7000rpm and you allow revs to drop to 5500. I'd like to hear the engine choking on itself as its no longer feeding on the squirrels and kittens in the (squirrel? ) tank, and the remaining bones in the pistons being shattered to pieces. Ok, that last sentence was overdoing the violence thing but you get the point .

EDIT2: I think the LX4 should sound somewhat like this, albeit a bit less meaty (as the car in the video has some 70hp more): http://youtube.com/watch?v=TE2bPmNokFU

Last edited by axus, Mon 18 Dec 2006, 11:43.

Quote from underthesky :

I installed the patch , and suddenly I am demo racer... Do I have to use another sign up to get full game again? I still have two unlocks to go, but I lose them everytime when there is a new patch?

No, there was a bug in the license system which is now fixed. You merely have to unlock LFS again (and you got another unlock again because of the "not entirely compatible" patch).

Quote from Tweaker :

Quite a nice effort, but I still think those sounds are horrible to be honest . Unless you are putting a microphone directly into the exit of the exhaust pipe, these won't sound true to form at all. Way too poppy, metallic, and I don't see the 'grumbliness' in it, I only hear distortion and and too much static treble. You need smoothing and other generated sounds to 'soften the edges'.

They may have some quality with the different ranges, but I still think making a completely synthetic sound... and having it sound nice is very hard to do. Your 3rd attempt is actually a bit worse, I think your 2nd one was in the right direction, though it was too dry and grainy.

I think Todd hasn't even got a muffler there, Tweak.

I dug up a transmission whine sound, to help the cause. I'm not really convinced by the current ones at all. Anyway, here it is... I'll post more if I find:

http://video.google.co.uk/vide ... 3519415145&q=kad+mini

Yup, its true!

http://zeplins.co.za/images/rituals/santa2006.php

Note that R50 is approximately $7.14 US.

There have been a lot of positive comments on the LX6. I certainly think its the best sounding of the new lot BUT:

There's too much gear whine. At the moment that kinda adds to the engine sound because it lacks those frequencies anyway, so the engine still needs some mid-high and high frequencies added to it. Then, with less gear whine and more wind noise, it will sound spot on I think.

Quote from Lato :

I really wish You could use just sound samples, easier and much better. Anyway Im looking forward for sound tweakimg with next patches.

I really think many will disagree with you here, please don't go to samples. The system is getting there and I think with a week's tweaking etc, it can sound REALLY good. If you want to use samples go use CSR.

Just going by sinbad's comment on the LX4 sounding as if it were at 7000rpm when at 9000 and the Tristan's comment on the BF1 sounding like 8000rpm when at 19000... and the similarity of the cars... are you sure that the engine RPMs are being used and not a kind of percentage of redline rpm or something? (Probably not, just a wild guess but thought I'd post this in case its a bug in the code).

EDIT: Thought I'd also mention that the LXes' cloth roof shouldn't dampen half as much of the tyre squeal as it does now. It should dampen less than what the other cars do, definitely.

EDIT2: Just to make sure (not that I'd know by the sound but it should make a significant difference), is the right V8 firing order being used for FO8/BF1? They probably (I'm not sure) should be on flat-plane cranks.

Last edited by axus, Sun 17 Dec 2006, 09:31.

Quote from deggis :

If I was Scawen I get in contact with Todd Wasson and ask how he implemented these. Check these out, according to Todd these are fully generated. In my opinion sounds better than LFS - sounds also very synthetic but these also has a bit of that noisy rrooooaaarrr feel that LFS competely lacks.

Actually, I had the pleasure of hearing some of his more recent sound stuff and it was much less synthetic sounding.

Some clear transmission whine sounds can be heard (its not just transmission whine but you can clearly seperate it from the rest) in this video towards the end:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nkfvQvc9ipI

This is when the McLaren is being driven. Also note the sound of the transmission on lift-off. Sorry its quite a long way into the video.