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Quote from kaynd :

The problem is not the existence of the button... it's just have to be slower so it doesn't give an unrealistic advantage that also overcomes gearbox restrictions.

But that was the reason I brought it up... The fact is LFS allows auto clutch, and unless you use an axis for the clutch, you should leave it on auto... That is, if it gives you an unfair advantage to use a button clutch.

Sorry, I understand the first post was a little unclear on the point I was trying to get too...

I like where you going with the whole street car to race car transition but it was simply way to drawn out. I would have also liked to seen a little more zoom on a few scenes. Still it wasn't a bad movie and considering this is your first (I think) video, it was fairly good.

That's not my kind of movie but man, those special effects are jaw dropping.

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

Mah, am i missing something here, looked at xenoa's stats and i don't see anything special, they were talking about him like he was a rudy (sorry rudy:razz

We handle all driver applications in the most professional way possible. Without investigating each and every application to the fullest, it is unfair to any and all the drivers that apply.

Quote from Cawwa :

Let's move on RACING.

That's what I like to hear, best of luck to you guys!

Quote from PwrSlave :

So it is a bit harsh to say that youwe lost all the respect for us? It is your choice i dont have a problem with it. It is something he did on himself, it was not a team decission. If it would be disscussed we would suggest him to not do it. But what's dont is done. Im not apologizing for anything, its just that we consider ourselves a fair and friendly team and it pissed me off to read here about we be spammin the sh1t, bcz we dont. And the disscrediting of our team.

Well, I will say that from the past, I've never had any issues with you guys and I consider the team, on a whole, to be well mannered and well organized. For this I'll change my comment too, "If I had posted this I would have released the driver's name, since I lost about 95% of the respect I once had for him."

As for, "it pissed me off to read here about we be spammin the sh1t, bcz we dont." This may be true, but why else would your driver be testing the integrity of others? To keep it private? That seems like a big waste of time ether way.

Quote from PwrSlave :

And you certenly do not see us moaning and spamming the forum all the time. If anything we only wish the very best of luck with the guys new team, and thats all.

And I'd like to wish the very best of luck to you as well. After hearing your response I want you to know that I didn't mean to offend you or the team by my comments. I just want you to know that I'm very offended by xenoa comments and I hope your guys (as a team) have a serious talk with him about his respect for others.

Now I'm going to have to go along with Ben on this one. We can all put it behind us and forget about this. I just wanted to make sure you understand that I'm not upset with your team, just this one driver. Good luck with your future ventures.

Quote from migf1 :

How about keep using the existant, legitimate system without using any cheats/exploits?

+1

Hugo and me where having a conversation earlier and I was wondering... How many times have you seen a button clutch in real life? :cry:

If all your going to say is that this is a game then please understand that this is a simulator, not NFS.

Quote from orange_boy_uk :

What a stupid website

What a stupid avatar...

Site is kinda stupid though.

Quote from Victor :

sorry that banner is a tad too big. Too high mostly.

Could you please give me the dimensions in which you need it?

As for now could we please continue using the current StormCup Banner, linked to: http://www.lfs-lota.net/index. ... ;sa=series;sr=about;id=35

Thank you!

Quote from Mc21 :

sorry, i closed it as soon as i heard tokyo drift music.

I basically did the same thing.

Quote from SpikeyMarcoD :

If i have to wait for everybody to do that, it will be the next century.

I think its way better quality then other sites and its bundeled. And i credit the authors, never claimed them. Vids are just sitting on my HDD for my pleasure. I just thought it would be nice to have a lot of them in one place

And i dont count LFS video as most is crap, sorry but it is. Ofcourse people are welcome to upload theirs themselves and link them to the group.

I like your idea...

You just need more of my videos.

Hey, can I join your team? :dunce:

Quote from xenoa :

All i have to say at this point is....some ppl should understand what they read...

Understand what, that someone did something very impolite, immature, and low down? If so I'm understanding it perfectly...

If I had posted this I would have released the driver name and team, since I lost about 95% of the respect I once had for them.

Quote from Kaw :

One thing I really do not understand about this accusasion. Is that we havent stolen any drivers from anywhere at anytime. So why test this?

Well the part that really upsets me is the fact that he came to us asking to join the team. Even if we would have allowed him to join, that's not stealing, it's simply accepting... If we would have accepted they would have probably started spamming the forum with a bunch of BS, that in all actuality, they are responsible for.

Last edited by BigTime, Thu 17 Jul 2008, 17:47.

Quote from Riders Motion :

Two Girls One Cup ffs! How comes anyone here could find that name...

I'm pretty sure that was ice cream and Reese though.

Lord I would hope so... :yikes:

Quote from Dennis93 :

Good bump, and make a new thread about it, i hardly think you can set yourselve up to Saiko^D nomatter how good you make the vid

I hate it when people bump threads this old.

I'm just going to post :inq: in all my old movie threads...

Quote from Jakg :

If I was Scawen (and had time to read this thread) i wouldn't reply at all - i'd make my decision and act upon it, and then maybe make a quick "well I feel that it's [whatever]" post using my second account...

Anything would be sufficient. Who knows though, they may be working on a solution to the problem as we speak...

Quote from Bawbag :

On the topic of is it or isn't it cheating, it is, your taking an unfair advantage over your opponents. About two years ago I used the button clutch for XFG at blackwood because "everyone" done it, it gave less advantage back then and on every shift I would have to press the clutch at the right time, so it was faster when you done it properly but now when everyone is just setting up a macro it's just retared. They are shifting in the same way as we are, nothing more nothing less, yet they are gaining up to half a second a lap....

People who use it are just weak and desperate, end of.

+1, It's just that simple guys.

Quote from FlintFredstone :

I think if scawen just stops the button clutch speed (engauge speed, leave disengauge for anti-stall) a little it would combat the problem straight away

Simon

That might do the trick.

Quote from burnsy1882 :

the League of the Americas (LOTA) has taken over the series, and we already have a server for the series.

Server: LOTA StormCup

Not my favorite slow mo but great work, that crash was cool!

Quote from Glenn67 :

Your right I have no clue, never was pertending I was a guru of racing I'm just an average joe who likes a good battle on the track and isn't too fussed at the end of the day whether I come first or second but that's just my perspective I know as I said earlier I don't see anyone racing for sheep stations here.

I really want to apologize for this... I try not to be so harsh but sometimes subjects, such as this, just let the beast out. Though I don't agree, I should have said this in a more civilized manor...

Quote from Glenn67 :

Well that begs more questions to its legitimatecy rather than closing the case In LFS you can reduce the steering rotation and the FFB so you have win/win not win/lose. And while having around 270deg might be legit in F1 LFS has alot more cars than the BF1 why should people be driving the standard road cars with sequenial shifting and 240deg wheel rotation - that is imo cheating just the same as using a macro clutch and with greater speed differences in an average race, but again that's my opinion

That really might be a nice add-on to the game to be honest... If you run so many degrees under the standard, your FFB goes up a certain amount. Only problem is some people don't run FFB.

However the radius in which a car steers is adjustable with all cars (without a complete replacement of the steering system) while having faster shifts (this is usually depended on the driver or transmission) is not.

Quote from Glenn67 :

I am not saying any position is right or wrong, I just think there is a lot of double standards on what is regarded as PC and whats not. I would agree we should reduce the difference that exist as much as possible, but at the same time I think there is many more and some that could never be monitored so it doesn't make sense to turn this into a witch hunt but instead keep it a civilized discussion, that is the intent of my posts.

Well that would be like saying that people who have low FPS are at a disadvantage and deserve a pat on the back... The fact is that once you get into a high end level of sim racing (IE world record pace) the wheel nor anything (including this marco) else, other than driver skill, should have anything to do with the pace in which a driver can perform. If you can't compete with your wheel, then upgrade IMO.

Quote from Glenn67 :

What people fail to understand is that nothing is ever equal, we can endevour to make things as equal as possible and we should but unless everyone has exactly the same physical setup and circumstances then things cant be equal.

Well my response to this is really simple... Some people left foot brake while others right foot brake. If you want to be on the level adjust... Adjusting is not downloading a script that makes you shift faster.

Quote from Glenn67 :

What about people that make there own controllers? They could make them with better features which would give an advantage.

Such as?

Quote from Glenn67 :

That's the point I'm trying to make also. The macro clutch thingy is not the only way people gain advantages over others in LFS, so why is the macro clutch so politically incorect when some of the other things are so widely accepted as PC

So your acutally going to sit there and say a mod that allows drivers to shift faster (THAT IS NOT PART OF THE GAME) should be allowed. Other than the radius of steering, there is nothing to back up your case... Well hell if that's the case why not just start editing the engine... After that we could make the car lighter. Then we could add NOS after that.

The simple fact is, if you allow someone to modify the way the transmission works, then everything should be adjustable, or it is a cheat... No modifications to the game should be allowed unless all driver experience the same results, period.

Quote from Riders Motion :

Actually I do:



I totally get Nolan sometimes!

You have completely redeemed yourself!

Quote from e2mustang :

why u guys have to see the front? Feel it BABY!!! Dont drive like IRL girls... :P

Yeah I'm kinda in the same boat. I can't see the front of my car on my daily driver ether...

Imagine how an F1 driver feels, those guys sit so low they can barely see (exaggeration) the track...

[quote=chanoman315;867135]:/ .... not many people feel comfortable or get many fps by using it.... or have a good monitor to feel it realistic .../quote]

Feel comfortable with what, digital gauges or on board views?

Quote from Glenn67 :

I have tried using button clutch back in 2004/5 because alot of well known fast drivers were using it back then, just to see what the fuss was about and at that time I could see there was about a 0.1 to 0.2 difference which for racing isn't that big a difference for the extra complexities of using a button as clutch so I didn't bother any further with it.

Well if you dont think having a .1 to .2 difference isn't a notable advantage in a race then you just simply have NO, and I mean NO clue what so ever, of what racing is.

Quote from Glenn67 :

In my view using unrealisticly small steering rotation like 240deg instead of 720deg gives you far greater advantage than using a macro for changing gears and by the logic of this witch hunt should also be banned, which btw wouldn't dissapoint me

As an example using 240deg rotation I can do 0.4 - 0.5 sec per lap faster and more consitantly than using 720 deg so it should be banned because if I want to run 720 deg which is realistic then I'm at a huge disadvantage.

You can change the degree in which a wheel turns... The only side effect is that the wheel will become harder to steer (the force in which it takes to rotate) when you decrease the radius.

How often have you seen an F1 driver rotate the wheel more than 360 or 480 degrees? I rest my case.

Quote from Glenn67 :

Then we could go on about views, does using custom wheels view give you an advantage over cockpit view? I would contend that it does as you can be far more precise with your entries and exits to corners - and we all know that can shave off many 0.1 sec's per lap. What about real gauges verses virtual gauges? I certainly can read the virtual one more clearly, so that is a big advanatge over those that choose to use real gauge mode. Again the more accurately you know speed mid corner the closer and more consistantly you can be at the limit. Again many 0.1 sec's in a race. I could go on and on about differences.

As for the views, I think cockpit should be enforced at all times... As for the gauges, nether matter... Most of the good drivers do this by timing, sound, and sometimes feel.

Quote from Glenn67 :

I can't believe so many believe that we all have a level playing field. Of course we don't, every type of controller choice in LFS will have advantages and disadvantages. Setting up LFS and your controller does have an impact on you ultimate speed that's a fact that reaches far beyound the macro clutch issue. It has just as much impact as car setup imo.

Agreed, but having a different controler and using a cheat that makes the car shift faster don't even fall into the same realm...

The simple fact of the matter, this Marco (or what ever it's called) adjusts the game in a way the devs did not want it adjusted. Secondly, it give everyone that doesn't use it a big (an advantage is an advatage rather it's .1 or .001) disadvatage... I don't see how anyone can look at this as a form of fairness. People kill me saying that it isn't a big advantage.... ANY ADVANTAGE IS AN ADVANTAGE!

Last edited by BigTime, Thu 17 Jul 2008, 03:14.