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csurdongulos
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Quote from N I K I :I haven't any other techno music so I putted that one

you do know that you don'T HAVE to put techno music in a video at all, do you? if you have nothing better than techno, just use the engine sounds
csurdongulos
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hah, just saw the end "credits", in member of SChumacher? Niki either learn proper english (at least google the expression) or just stop writing at all, especially BS
csurdongulos
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Quote from farcar :I wish it had engine sounds.

i wish it had only engine sounds. that "song" really sucks big time and I am quite certain Schumacher is ashamed of it as well
csurdongulos
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Quote from Dru :i guess its always a thing about - tomorrow it will be cheaper, but tommorrow there will always be newer better models out.....


it's an ongoing cycle isn't it.


Optical Drives\DVD Writers SAMSUNG DVD+/-RW 18x6x18x8 DUAL LAYER BLACK Cooling Fans SPEEZE - Heatsink/Fan - Silent
CPU\Intel Core 2 Duo INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6400 1066FSB SKT775 Memory\DDR2 1GB DDR2 PC-5400 667 MHZ
Hard Drives\SATA 250 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 8MB
Graphics Cards INTERGRATED 3D VIDEO
Motherboards\SKT 775 ASUS SKT-775 P5VD2-MX S/V/L M-ATX 1066 Computer Cases XBLADE - Black - 450W PSU
Operating Systems NOT INCLUDED Anti Virus NOT INCLUDED
Sound Cards ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL 5.1 SOUND
USB Ports 10 X USB 2.0 PORTS
Networking FAST 10/100 LAN (BROADBAND READY)

Thats £335 including VAT - just have to sort out a decent graphics card, any ideas??

to be honest I wouldn'T go with that motherboard as it only supports up to 533 mhz ddr2 memory and it is VIA chipset based. I guess it is very cheap, but if you want a decent MB with potential to overclock you should go with the ASUS P5B series. it is up to you to decide how much fits into your budget, but depending on your needs you'll be better off with any model out of the P5B series. the basic p5b model is quite cheap as well and performance wise it is right up there with the more expensive models, however it is missing out on the accessory side and like less SATA ports? no firewire and so on, just check out the specifications on the ASUS homepage for the various boards and see what you need.

Also buying 800mhz ddr2 memory would be wiser, as the price is not that much higher and again you have more potential for OC or future upgrades and you can run CPU and memory in asynchronous
(spelling? word exists? )mode, which can give you a fair bit of performance boost if you use it at 800 mhz instead of 667.

about the videocards. from the Nvidia side I would only recommend the new 8800 series as the cards before didn't have a good AA/AF quality, therefore the ATI cards produced a better (sharper - for me) image quality when AA and AF were used. If you want a decent DX9 card, you could select from the ATI cards as well, the x1900 XT with 256 MB is an excellent choice, but the x1950pro would also rock and is cheaper.

edit: definitely the e6300 instead of the x2 4200 AMD. Also try to squeeze in 2x1gb-s of memory, or 2x512mb to take advantage of dual channel mode.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Jakg :pitlane sillyness - Redman getting pissed due to quali'ing badly due to (imho) and unfair (and now changed) quali system

nah, it was because he forgot to put in enough fuel for the feature race.

edit: but he might know better
csurdongulos
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isn't there already an Apex Racing Team? one of the oldest teams actually?
csurdongulos
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Quote from kurent :Let me help you get started, I race alot with these three:

XRT
- RWD, rear tyres overheat in a long race and you get "rear end all over the place" steer

well I was driving this car in the stcc for a couple of months now and I disagree with your point. if you are pushing the car hard enough the front tyres overheat about the same amount as the rears, so I would say the tyre overheating is very balanced.
csurdongulos
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awesome! and it shows basically everyone who took part in the event, and we had like what, 26 racers?
csurdongulos
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Quote from greygoose0076 :either that or one of the front wheels locks up on a 4wd car.

theoretically, or in your LFS version? if so, show us a replay of the 4wd locking up as welll...
csurdongulos
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Quote from Vykos69 :no becky, that's not true. You just like to put things around and twist them. I am not into MoE as admin, I just think, that same things are treated different ways. And sorry, even if Sam is an admin here, he should obey his own rules and guidelines. No matter what, a STCC thread - even if it's only about how many colourfull bars STCC should have or not - does NOT belong here. It belongs to League-forum... So Andrew, step back from attacking other leagues, that just doesnt suit you.

Vykos, this thread is not about the league, this is about the public servers, which don't belong to the league subforum in any way.

It was because of similar posts to Hoellsen and yours that this thread (and the ones before) has included stuff related to the stcc league itself and now you are starting to moan about why it is being discussed here? open a thread about it in the league section then

when there were stcc league related things, like a movie, the broadcast or a qualification event, they were posted in the appropriate forum section. Until we have a general public servers subforum, threads as these will be created in the general LFS discussion section, and they should be in my opinion.
csurdongulos
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Quote from apo3d :That i totally agree with. BUT when you enter a server with, hm, let's say 'new&bronze' in the name (just a wild thought), would you really expect the fellow racers to be less than one second away from the wr? Honestly when i first...*cough*...if i'd join such a server i'd expect it to be full of 'aliens' .

Question would be: he's allowed to un-lap, but is it ok if i fight him like i was fighting for position?

Btw, is there anyway i can save a multiplayer race when i'm not the server?

@ your first paragraph: sure, people have to think and take into account the circumstances, not everybody can do that, as it requires thinking and some people just don't know how to do that

@ your question: when I am in the position of a lap behind and catching up to slower drivers I always stick behind until I can make a safe pass without hindering him/her, it is just a mentality question, no way your fault. But if you meet someone who is lapped, faster and close behind, it is much safer to let him go to avoid a possible accident.

you can save multiplayer replays when you press "2", or did you mean when you are not IN the server? in this case the answer is no
csurdongulos
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Quote from CYA LTR :And these are not n00bs or newbies but often people who drives close to WR times on the track...that is exceptionally annoying.

the reason for this might be that they are not experienced in public racing. They are used to driving in leagues against guys with similar pace, who won't take a corner unexpectedly slow.

no, I am not defending them. I enjoy racing on public servers, though usually I am able to pull away up front once I got there and if no accidents happen or no alien is there, but I really enjoy the process of getting to the front when I have a lower place on the grid.
Anticipation is very important on public servers, I always expect the worse from fellow racers unknown to me, this makes me extra cautious, leaving enough space in the turns and braking earlier than usual when close behind someone. in the end I either had a good race, or everyone had an accident or made a mistake and I end up winning
csurdongulos
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Quote from Tweaker :Only there is the kind of enforcement you'd see from the likes of an evil villain and its sidekicks. I am not online to be questioned and put at risk by those people, I am online to race and have a good time. Why should someone hang over my shoulders and be so anal about everything I do? People have taken the whole clean racing thing a bit too serious. Perhaps it is from their own personal experiences of wrecking and they can't let it go.

you are just being paranoid, I have never seen anything on the servers where a driver was punished despite not doing anything wrong. if it was a mistake ban, it has been rectified later after a discussion.

and you know, this isn't something that necessarily has to please you, you can go to other public servers if you don't like it, this is not something you have payed for and has to meet your needs and expectations (people seem to forget about this), there is no place for complaints, just suggestions, in a decent manner.

for me the silver and gold server has achieved a more competitive field, populated by the cars I want to race and as a side effect it is also free of noobs, who always manage to ruin the race in T1. there are some overambitious drivers still, but you can deal with them if you are careful enough. so I am all satisfied.

csurdongulos
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Quote from ayrton senna 87 :ive raced with MANY people, and hardly any (apart from the above list) can come from the back to the front of the grid quickly, overtake and defend properly, and know when not to defend. Of course the league wrecking incident was bad from 1 of em, but im talking about their race craft, not their reputation!!

I was talking about clean racers, who give you just enough room to have a fun race, I could name 50 if I had to and I am not that much online either, except for the past weeks to get my platinum on stcc

anyways what you are describing are fast guys, it doesn't need to be a fast guy to have racecraft! also, most of the aliens lack racecraft due to the simple fact that they are just pulling away and have no challenge, so they don'T have that much experience in such situations.

i would say racecraft also has to do with your behaviour, whatever the circumstances, I could hardly say he has racecraft, when he wrecks intentionally. but that's from the past, I am sure he wishes now that it had never happened in the first place...and probably he has never done it since, but one bad day can just change everything.
csurdongulos
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Quote from ayrton senna 87 :nah i aint a hotlapper type, although many are. i could count the decent, smart RACERS ive met in LFS on 1 hand;
  • quicksilver
  • nikimere
  • arrechee
  • tristancliffe

that's only because you haven't raced with a lot of other people, and by the way, listing arrechee there must be a mistake. calling someone smart who after disconnecting rejoins the at that time most prominent league race and tries to ram off some other drivers in the race, sounds a bit...strange to say the least.

I had some bad moves in the past, but I never wrecked anyone intentionally ,and now the only thing I am aiming for on the race track is a clean pass and a good battle.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Linsen :Can't really say who's the best, but the video I enjoyed the most of all I've seen was probably from S1 and unfortunately I don't have it anymore . Maybe somebody here remembers this rather artsy video which had some 360 degree drifting in it (XRT), a lot of b/w (or all b/w?) and the music was Col from Morcheeba? I don't remember who made it, but I'd be really grateful if somebody still has it and could upload it as I'd love to see it again. It put you in a really sentimental mood ...

I remember that one, it was Lajoosh I think (or a couple more oooo-s ), try pm-ing him.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Boris Lozac :Ok, so 90 % of the people here are having that same problem as i am... but you seem to neglect it, like it's no big deal...

90% percent of people here is what, like 15? (considering multiple posts). how many people race lfs on a daily basis? like 1000? I wouldn't call this thread representative

also most of the posts were telling about several applications running in the background, even downloading stg in the background, which I find ridiculous. If you want to play online, close everything except your firewall, everything takes up a little cpu time, a little bandwidth, whatever. you are also messing up other people's races, who cared enough to shut down unnecessary applications.

the only things running besides lfs for me are a firewall and the antivirus software, which has autoscan turned off of course

the only thing bothering me is like mentioned above, when someone is connecting you cannot enter/exit pits, which is annoying as it is usually associated with a lag as well and takes like 5-10 seconds. otherwise LFS's online play is flawless for me.

also, turn on compressed skins, might help reduce stutters.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Slopi :I like where this is going. Though I have to ask, why couldn't the devs simply take from your idea and build it into the game? You would have to maybe sign up to be licensed. Also, servers could run the option of licensing or no licensing.

I suppose that belongs on the suggested improvement thread... But would be it difficult for the devs to put the system in LFS?

there was something similar to this back in S1, namely the credits.

however it was nowhere near as complex and relatively hard to achieve to drive your chosen car as the stcc system, and of course you could get credits for offline racing as well.

the concept is similar, but the stcc system serves the purpose much better.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Hyperactive :I remember seeing once in some finnish magazine a test like this (not a serious one). They just took some old tire, attached a big-ass compressor and started pumping. Well, the big-ass compressor could just do about 7 bar pressure and it wasn't enough. Even with some knife action didn't do it so they had to cut it even more to make the tire to fail.

well I am waiting for other replies on this issue, but based on this experiment, max pressure is not that unrealistic (anymore, remember S1?), as it reduces grip considerably.
csurdongulos
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Quote from frokki :Good post, mpn89!

I am one of those who qualifys with 1.4 bar and races with 2.4
What's the main reason why unrealistically low or high tyre pressures actually work in LFS?

I would say what was mentioned before already: no tyre sidewall damage.

until that is simulated there will be no reason not to run low pressures to achieve maximum grip.

to be honest I don't think LFS tyre heat model is (that much) off, it is just the sidewall damage simulation that is lacking, which results in these unrealistic pressures. I am always trying to get optimum tyre temperatures across the surface of the tyre, but with camber changes you cannot achieve that as the pressures are way too low, even when using 1.9-2.0 bars the outside and the middle of the tyre are almost even, whereas the inside is a lot hotter, I guess 2.3-4 would do ok for street cars (TBO class especially), but that would reduce grip significantly and would make you really slow, and would take 5-6 or even more laps to get the tyres to optimum temps.

edit: on the high tyre pressure thing: I only saw that with the fox and on oval setups. the fox has downforce and it is easy to drive, however those high tyre pressures do result in very nervous handling. on the oval it is simple: higher pressures=less rolling resistance, thus higher top speed and that is what's needed for ovals.

I dunno but would too high pressures result in the tyre exploding, due to creating too much pressure inside? then it is another thing left to be simulated so it can be avoided
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csurdongulos
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Quote from danowat :Because at the moment it doesnt, would be nice if it did

this only makes sense if you are driving like 400-500 km-s, but for the general pick-up racer or non masters of endurance league racer this is of no importance.

and did anyone at all try racing for 6 hours or more twice, with different tyre pressures to see if it was already implemented?
csurdongulos
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Quote from Becky Rose :FYI regarding the discussion above, I just checked bandwidth figures for the first two days since the footage went live and we shifted just over 1 terrabyte in the first two days. This is from the site which hosts only the movie files and a single, tiny, webpage used during the event with some live timing stuff on in the first heat.

meaning how many downloads then? and did the interest grow compared to the previous rounds, or you cannot decide due to the various mirror sites?
csurdongulos
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Quote from Becky Rose :I have a RAID-0 array, all my drivers work together in theory - half the data is written to one drive, the other half to the other. In theory it's double speed hard disk access, so I cant imagine that is the problem.

well I am not into this RAID stuff, so I wouldn't know, but maybe someone does if this is a problem or not, we'll see.
csurdongulos
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Quote from Becky Rose :I have experimented trying to get 32bit again though, and that's a definate no no for now, my computer just can't do it.

is the game folder and the raw avi destination folder on a different physical disc? I heard that this would also cause lower fps, I just thought maybe this could be the reason why you cannot capture in 32bit mode.

anways, the broadcast is great as always, and even better 'cause now I featured on it as well when you said you wonder what I would be up to in an fxo, perhaps even lapping half of the field was funny
csurdongulos
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Quote from Dajmin :Isn't our sun set to burn out in about 12,000 years?

it's supposed to be a lot more than that: http://ask.yahoo.com/20040121.html
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