can't wait. pre-ordered mine the other day. i'm not expecting this to be a LFS killer ( ), but should be fun. i love driving real-world tracks. only thing that sucks is no limited edition in the US

Quote from Bladerunner :

If it's the latter, look no further than phpbb. Not the most secure of forums, but constantly being updated and worked on...

with a few simple changes, it can actually be made into a pretty secure platform. just turn off "allow html" and disable global registers. then you just have to deal with spammers, and if you have an attentive admin staff, isn't an issue.

some really great photographers here. i enjoy taking pictures, and surprisingly every once in a while a good one comes out

haha...the best part of that whole thing was when he was talking about why jesus could never be a president of the us, because it is so very true.

the nation would hate him, because i'm sorry, if jesus was infact a real person, he would not look anythign like the jesus that is typically portrayed in this country, that is pristinely white. he would look middle eastern, because he would have been. and sadly, after 9-11, that's a group that many in this country have a very bigotted attitude towards.

i think the guy in the video is dead on...jesus would not have a chance of becoming president of the us...at least not right now. hopefully not too far in the future the country as a whole will come to its senses...but i'm not going to hold my breath.

Quote from bbman :

It sucks especially if you want to play it with your wheel... You have a 50-50 chance of getting it configured properly... According to some forums (Codemasters support is awfully quiet about that), I'd basically have to rip my G25 in both directions to get steering adjusted... With it costing 200 euros, you can imagine where I want Codemasters to shove their game...

Ironically, this problem has been around since the first release of Race Driver, still isn't fixed...

heh, i downloaded the demo last night, installed it, and couldn't get it to recognize my g25. so, quit out of the game and uninstalled it. and that's the last i'll think about that series

Quote from faster111 :

6 players use the same wheel as i am getting nope i don't have any second doubts about the wheel.

no, six people use a wheel other than one of the 4 listed, and one of those six stated that he uses the Saitek wheel.

but hey, its your money. don't let these other people try and make you feel bad about your purchase. i don't care what anyone says, any wheel (that works) is better than a gamepad or mouse/keyboard.

the wheel you are looking at looks similar to the wheel i had before i upgraded to a g25. i used to have a driving force ex (the ps2 wheel), and i loved it at the time.

now, i'd be hard pressed to go back to that wheel for any reason, but at the time, that's all i knew, and i loved it. my old wheel has been passed on to a friend that i got hooked on LFS and my dad (who i also got hooked) purchased a DF ex for his wheel and has a grand time with it.

so, ignore they nay-sayers and enjoy your wheel when it arrives.

in IE
tools -> internet options, and change your home page to whatever it is before.

that alert that you are getting is a Javascript Alert to make it look like you have a virus.

System alerts don't have "Windows Internet Explorer" in the title bar.

i can see how macroevolution can seem strange when looked at on the surface, but if you look into it a bit deeper, it makes much more sense.

if start with a single celled protozoa and end up with a black bear, its easy to dismiss on just the face value. but it was a very, very long process. its not like the protozoa washed up on a beach, went into a cocoon (speaking of cocoons, how weird is it for a catepillar to wrap itself up and emerge as a butterfly) and emerged as a bear. it was a process of a multitude of microevolutions taking millinea to complete.

and really, why is it so unbelievable? the reproductive system of humans (and many other types of animals as well) is basically a greatly accellerated example of macroevolution. the egg and sperm fuse into a single celled organism. then over time it divides into a multiple celled organism. and then that organism divides more and starts to organize its cells into an organism that has the typical human traits. and then it organizes further and those cells become specialized cells which eventually become organs or blood cells or nerve cells. and the end result is a person. but if you look at the start and the finish, it seems completely contradictory that they are one and the same. but it is just a series of microevolutions put together.

faith isn't required with science, otherwise it wouldn't be science. science is directly observable and repeatable. which is what seperates it from religion. with religion you just have to believe as there is nothing concrete to back it up.

ball bearing turbo, i think this is a great debate (a bit of a tangent from the original topic, but whatever )

and i don't think that you need to step out just because a few people are getting heated. by the very nature of the subject, this is going to be heated on both sides. just go on presenting your side. and as long as all involved are purposely trying to offend other, i see no reason why this can't be a civil (and rather warm) topic of discussion

i've given you my reasons. to explain the natual occurences of the universe and to comfort.

now i give support
source - http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_theory1.htm

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John Shelby Spong, retired bishop of the Episcopal Church, USA has written:

"Religion is primarily a search for security and not a search for truth. Religion is what we so often use to bank the fires of our anxiety. That is why religion tends toward becoming excessive, neurotic, controlling and even evil. That is why a religious government is always a cruel government. People need to understand that questioning and doubting are healthy, human activities to be encouraged not to be feared. Certainly is a vice not a virtue. Insecurity is something to be grasped and treasured. A true and healthy religious system will encourage each of these activities. A sick and fearful religious system will seek to remove them."

David C. James, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church & Diocesan Mission Center in Olympia, WA, wrote:

Many times when we think we are worshipping God, we are actually comforting our very fragile egos. I’m not so naïve as to assume that we build temple and erect altars to ourselves…directly. But our core need to been safe, secure and sound mandates that we construct reality systems that will support us.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Seems unfitting and illogical to make up fairtales to "comfort" us. Why would we need comfort anyway? We are highly evolved! In fact, we are so evolved that we blow each other up and don't share our food. OH WAIT, those are moral dilemmas aren't they? Woops.

yes, and religion was hardly invented in modern times, except for scientology, and i don't even consider that to be anything even closely resembling religion.

and "seems unfitting and illogical to make up fairytales"? ever heard of the romans (ancient)? greeks (also ancient)? egyptians? azteks? native americans?

what do we in modern times refer to their religious beliefs? mythology. what do we say about their "mythology". that it is made up to help explain the unknowns of the world.

you know what they referred to their beliefs as? religion. so i ask. how is it "unfitting and illogical" to think that modern religions are a tool that was made up by earlier civilizations? there is historical evidence to support such a theory.

ah, Albieg beat me to it

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Because we are moral beings, animals are not.

so you are saying that it is impossible to be moral without religion? i personally don't view animals as being immoral.

also, what is moral under one religion might not be moral under another.

Quote from MAGGOT :

Now, there is a question I would like to propose. Why do we need religion? All other animals on the planet seem to get along fine without it. They all have codes of behaviour of which ever member of the pack/murder/herd/pride/[other grouping of wild animals] must follow as per their role, but nothing apparently is based on religious intervention; it is all set in place for the good of the herd. Why are we, as humans, any different? We are animals. We are mammals. We have our societies with rules and so forth, why must we have an all-mighty deity to tell us what to do?

one thing that i've noticed when i've mentioned that people are animals to any random person, is they get greatly offended at that notion (which amuses me to no end), and retort with "i'm not an animal, i'm a person". i uses to try and enlighten them, but gave up on it because they wouldn't accept what i was telling them, and just amused me even more.

anyways, that's beside the point. why do we (humans) need religion? its basically just another tool that we invented to help explain/comfort us in daily life. some people need that tool, and other don't. and no amount of arguing on either side is going to convince someone to change their mindset.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Pfff, I could replace you with a turkey baster.

i wasn't suggesting me (happily married), rather any generic man that you wouldn't mind filling such a roll

wow...this thread is taking quite the detour

i don't remember there being any porsches in the shows race, let a lone wrecked...or are you thinking of that horrid (looking) movie Redline with eddie griffith where he smashed up an enzo in a promotional auto-x.

Quote from Becky Rose :

I can't have kids.

My doctor says I need a boyfriend first.

you're doctor is completely off base. a boyfriend or husband is definitely not required for a woman to get pregnant. an f'-buddy will more than suffice

also, going back to the eye for an eye stuff in the bible. this code of law far pre-dates the bible. it was actually the code of hammurabi, who was a babylonian king around 1760BC. and it contained (amoung other things) a collection of specifically stated "mirror punishments"


and so on. but even then, it wasn't cut and dry eye for an eye. there were different levels of punishment based on the class of the attacker and the victim. if the attacker is of a higher class than the victim, then the attacker would most likely only pay a fine.

now, given that a good portion of "christian" countries don't have a class system, that essentially makes both parties of the same class, so the mirror punishment system would apply (under hammurabi's code).

even still, it wasn't a vigilante world. the punishments were carried out in the legal system. it wasn't the victim (or their family) that executed the punishment. so, knowing that, the people attacking the clinics/doctors/mothers would be found guilty and be put to death if they killed someone in their actions.

a lot of statements in the bible weren't explained out explicitly because the statements didn't need to be. the bible was written in a time and location where the audience would understand it with out having to have it spelled out for them because they lived in that world, under its laws, and with its beliefs.

the modern world is so far removed from the world the authors or the bible lived in that many of its "teachings" are no longer applicable and many others need to taken only after given it much critical thought.
for example, how should this be applied to the modern world?
Exodus 21:7

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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Quote from wien :

It worked for Firefly though. They actually got a movie out of it in the end. (Which more or less tanked, despite being pretty good.) Drive is(was?) actually created by one of the writers/producers behind Firefly, an has Nathan Fillion from the same show in the lead, so the fans may stir up some noise this time too. Doubtful though, as it wasn't really that good.

i guess that's true. and i likely Serenity. and i hadn't seen of firefly at all when i watched it. and i like the movie so much, i just bought the series of firefly on dvd (haven't watched it yet though).

Quote from danowat :

I started to watch it, and after a fairly lame 1st episode, it gets pretty good, shame its been cancelled already.

Whats the deal with America always cancelling shows?

dunno, but its really damn annoying. especially considering they cancel the good (or at least decent) shows, and carry on with the crappy shows.

online petitions don't work. you know why family guy got brought back after they (fox) cancelled it the first time? because the DVD sales were through the roof and the rerun on a different channel were getting good ratings.

sadly, i don't think that will happen here because family guy had 3 seasons that it could draw from for dvd sales and reruns. a 6 episode show might get decent dvd sales, but it won't have enough episodes to bother with reruns.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Oh wise and noble Glyphon guru, what does the future hold for me? Will I be boning supermodels before the year is out?

sorry, that's outside my area of expertise. so i consulted my back up...the magic eight ball

so, i asked it your question. answer came back...
absolutely*

* this answer is for novelty purposes only, and no guarantee is made that you will in fact bang any supermodels before the year is out. no refunds

aaaaaaaaaaaand...



its been cancelled.
http://community.tvguide.com/b ... ancels/800013604#comments

from the offical Drive site...
http://www.fox.com/drive/

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Final 2 episodes to air this summer. stay tuned

wow, that really sucks. i know you are working on it, but definately get out as quick as possible.

a few years ago a friend was working for a publishing (magazine) company that was having "hard financial times". several times during her employment there, her pay would be postponed for a month or two, then when they did pay her, it wasn't the full amount that they owed, and would promise to get her the rest in a few weeks.

this continued on for 6-7 months. it got so bad that she and a few other employees ended up suing the guy to get their owed back wages. poor guy had to sell his new 7-series bimmer and some of his other recent personal purchases to pay everyone.

it seemed the guy was putting buying nice new toys for himself over paying his employees, who needed their paychecks to pay their bills and rent.

after getting all her back pay, my friend quit that job, and found one that actually paid her.

sorry for the tangent story. its all i had to offer seeing as i'm not in a position to offer employment (i'm just a grunt), nor am i in the UK.

its not off...i think the default setting is "off", but all this update does in regards to the digital speedo is remove one of the dupliate settings from the options screen.

in other words, in the previous test patches, the settings for digital speedo were available in two seperate areas of the options menu. this update just removed one of those. it is still possible to change between digital and analog speedometers.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

What is it with this recent rash of american "mystery drama" shows where they make the plot up as they go along? Did all the american TV commissioners all simultaneously start watching old episodes of The Prisoner?

you mean this wasn't a remake of a british show? it seems that just about every new show that comes out now is a remake of show that's already been done across the atlantic. it seems as if for the most part the american tv industry has completely lost their imagination or gotten lazy...or both.

i'm trying not to like the show too much. it is on Fox, which means that it will likely get cancelled soon anyways.

Quote from Mykl :

I watched the first episode. I thought it was terrible.

last night's wasn't the first episode (unless you watched a recorded version). the first ep was 2(?) weeks ago and was 2 hrs long (basically the first 2 eps back to back), with the following 2 eps being the usual 1hr, which makes last night's the 4th ep. and i was expecting a terrible show, and i was actually kind of surprised that i like it. not a good show, but enjoyable none the less