Quote from BreadC :

old vid

old game. yet we still play it b/c its some what good. just isn't the best yet and thats what i want!

Quote from BreadC :

why dont we have a robotic arm which punches you in the head real hard when u crash.. to replicate the g-forces/pain

xD

you should be able to pick up what track this is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKNoRQ3VbDs

Quote from Forbin :

Should we be paying for tires, fuel, and repairs too? Even food? How about taking breaks because our "SimDriver" is in the hospital or because the car is broken? Why don't we always start in the pits? Maybe we could simulate loading up the truck with all our gear and driving to the track for hours, then driving back while dead tired?

Give me a break...

no but a simulator should simulate what happens on the track during a race. like flipping if you hit a curb to hard/bad setup/noob driver. as it is now lfs doesn't simulate any thing but the good parts of racing. if it were any less true we could all be driving "ghost" cars so theres no contact then there wouldn't be any crashes too. since thats one of the downsides of racing as you said.

Quote from Forbin :

A hypothetical for you:

You're having the race of your life with your archrival. All of a sudden, a bumper/oil slick/smoke cloud with a car in it/whatever appears out of nowhere due to some noobish backmarker. One (or both) of you hits the object and ends your epic race.

That's not fun or exciting. That just sucks. That's why that stuff is typically viewed as gimmicky in race sims. Yes, it happens in real life, but it's not at the true heart of racing, just the spectacle part.

so why do you play a racing "sim" then if you don't want the smoke and trash on the track that happens on a real race track. thats like saying you want to be a cop but don't want the people shooting at you or paper work just the fun stuff like chases and helping people and respect. if your going to call lfs a sim then it should simulate every thing not just the good parts of racing. if you ask me motors should just let go and dump a little oil on the track on long races. lfs isn't a racing sim its a arcade game with a different focus then gfx they way you want it. i want a true racing sim.

Quote from Forbin :

Last time I checked, it was the arcade games putting emphasis on parts falling off and smoke while neglecting proper physics.

I agree, it'd be nice to have the best of both worlds. At the moment, either due to limited development time, limited processing power, or both, we're left choosing/prioritizing between proper vehicle dynamics and whiz-bang graphical effects.

its not a arcade affect tho, it happens in a real race a cars a-arm getting hit breaks it and guess what the wheel falls off. when was the last time you watched a f1 race the guy hit a wall and just the shocks broke and the wheel bent in and he finshed the race. never happens the car falls apart and theres only 3 wheels left and hes race is over.

if the only down side to having smoke in the game is lower fps then do it already. im playing with a i7 and gtx 295 i normaly see about 300 fps even my 5 year old dell xps was still playing lfs at 70 fps with every thing set to high settings.

don't think i want a burn out image creating app from lfs. but i would like it so when the guy in front of me gets bumped and spins it makes my race more realistic if i have to hold my breath and drive through a blinding cloud of smoke once and a while.

Quote from Forbin :

I get the sense that this is part of the racing mythos, at least in American culture and particularly oval racing, that a driver may or may not be daring enough to go flat out through the smoke, not knowing what lies within or behind.

Yeah, that's all exciting to read about or see, particularly for the general public. But to suggest that is among the top 10 things to get right in a racing sim is just outright laughable.

so you want a racing sim that is all the best parts of racing and none of the downsides like smoke or parts on the track that cause flat tires or other accidents. if thats the case then lfs is an arcade game not a simulator. a simulator covers every thing from the tire temp affecting grip to hitting curbing and rolling a high center of gravity car like the xfr or ufr AND the smoke that a spinning car creates.

Quote from george_tsiros :

ya know how i know you've never rendered a car with realistic smoke in 3dmax or whatever?

i never said i did. but there a plenty of videos on youtube of people doing it on there own. not huge ea or other big game studios. but still in lfs you spin and theres absolutely no smoke at all.

Quote from farcar :

You're complaining about the devs not spending more time developing tyre smoke?

It's an original complaint if nothing else.

after driving over 80k MILES not km but miles watching people slaming on the brakes or spinning and the smoke is gone in 2 seconds. watch a nascar race or any gt race and when some one spins in front of a guy you can't see the track half the time.

real crashes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJ5jD6OJiE
lfs crashes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsPhPbToZ00

real world some one spins and its a gamble to make it past through the smoke and trash coming off the car. a spin in lfs and everyone can see every decal on the car as they drive past him. smoke coming off a car is a problem in a real race. yet unless you have a smoke mod on with a huge amount of smoke coming off the car driving a car in lfs past someone smoking. until lfs has smoke and parts coming off the car that can damage other cars (flats, or messing up shocks and windows) it will just be a racing game that isn't a arcade game but i wouldn't call it a simulator. so should a car roll on a turn or not is the same argument. should it roll every time probably not should it roll if the driver doesn't know how to save it (ie turnning in to the roll, turning left if the car is rolling over to the left) i would think it should.

all the little detail stuff with tire flex and weight transfer and every thing, for the smoke to be missing from the game is unacceptable if you ask me.

Quote from Breizh :

You've never done a successful world class racing simulator on your own.

how is it that one guy with 3d max or what ever can render his own car and realistic smoke. yet after 4+ years 3 guys working on a sim can't get smoke right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoMqjnxCVgk

thats some bad curbing....

lfs needs the little bugs like the tire physic fixed before more tracks/cars for it to me a true sim, that being said if your going to fix the curbing why not fix the smoke physic too.

we have gpus that can do true physic's why not use something like physX and end up with smoke more like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZQpWo9Qhs
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dT6pcA0wI4
instead of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEcSAzn-PI

every single lfs burn out looks the same, smoke goes right thru the body inside the car. and you drive away and its gone. the lfs devs must have never done a big smoky burn out. the smoke gets in the car comes out from under the hood around the seams and when you drive away the smoke is coming out of the windows and all the areas where it gets trapped in. until the tires and smoke physic are better lfs won't be a real simulator

Quote from danthebangerboy :

I posted this link in a similar thread about this error and it does seem to be a vista64 problem...

http://social.technet.microsof ... 83-4c9d-a05e-38c8db25ab39

sorry but thats not the problem very first post says
"If I click on another application's window, sometimes it works normally but often it also locks up. If I click some application in the task bar, it will not restore the application's window; instead the whole thing (Windows Explorer, I am guessing) becomes unresponsive. The mouse may continue to move but no mouse clicks are processed. Icons in the tray, like that for TaskManager, do not update."

lfs locks up every single time.

any one. guys i want to play lfs help plz

Quote from XCNuse :

.. You don't need to put anything off, just download the game from a website, and put it in a random folder and run it, and if it runs.. then just drag and drop.

yea tried didn't work. i am getting 7 just waiting for it to come out and don't have time to install the rc atm with school and other stuff going on.

i was hoping to be able to put that off till 7 comes out and do a fresh install then

when i go to open lfs.exe i get the run as admin box then a lfs.exe has stopped responding box. as far as i know nothing changed from when it was working to when it quit and it hasn't worked for 2 weeks or so now. vista 64 bit, i7,6 gigs of ram ,gtx 295, zalman 850 power supply.




Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: LFS.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 4a03f459
Fault Module Name: StackHash_64ea
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00000000
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 64ea
Additional Information 2: cce9f653dd0f8eec446de52154d2f82d
Additional Information 3: e564
Additional Information 4: 8429a7ed0f357a8bd2d6be9b8bff54ac

Quote from Jakg :

Seagate 1.5TB = 7200.11 = Drives with a bugged firmware.

mine didn't have the firmware that was bad but it was shortly after that (JAN) that i got it so im thinking it might be a bad spot on the drive. btw i started looking in to the hard drive about 2 hours before the post from sparky dave

Quote from SparkyDave :

I would reccomend running your system at stock speeds.

You could try making a new partition and install W7beta, dual boot and test under W7 with a fresh OS and LFS.

If other apps are starting to have problems, it could be anything from a loose sata cable to some overclocked ram.

Good luck.

SD Out.

after looking in to the hard drive seagate 1.5tb im thinking i might have a slowly dieing hard drive here. i just did the vista score thing again and my hard drive score went from a 5.7 to a 5.6 it use to be a 5.9 just like every thing else in the system going to contact seagate about it monday maybe if i think about it.

mine is the black edition tho :P

any ideas tho for lfs crashing? after thinking about it the only other thing i had a problem with was itunes around the same time. "critical" itunes system files and had to reinstall its self.

Quote from SparkyDave :

George what does that pic have to do with anything on topic in this thread??


I agree Dawndusts post here is a little on the abusive side, however he's Canadionan what does anyone expect

If LFS becomes responsive again after a given amount of time, then I would agree it is the vista prob explained inthe link.

However I think gotspeed has to end the process/program to exit LFS is this the case gotspeed?

Why oh why do so many threads go the way of this one where people seem to drop in just to smap or abuse, try to read through the cruddy posts and stick to the problem

gotspeed when you unzipped fresh copy of LFS did you overwrite older version? or place into new folder?

good luck.

SD.

placed it in a new folder. i just have to hit end cancel on the lfs.exe has stopped working dialog box.

from start to finish what i do.
click lfs.exe
allow program access to my computer yellow bar box
cancel on lfs.exe has not responded.

if i let it run on the not responding thing it just gets to a close option after 20 seconds or so.

Quote from teedot :

maybe if you came back with a better attitude, someone would actually be willing to help you further.

i wasn't the one saying i should go buy a ****ing mac

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

LEARN TO ****ING READ.

If you read the link that was posted earlier in the thread, it is COMPLETELY RANDOM! I offer you a compromise:

1) Learn proper english please, that list of yours up there... I didn't know there was this game called "crysis team fortress 2 half life counter strike Americas army call of duty world at war".

2) Learn to read. Several times in this thread was your problem answered, and a handy link here posted that explains what the problem is.

3) Go buy a ****ing Mac.

Vista Ultimate x64 - frequent "(not responding)" on various applications
its not frequent its every single time with out fail it goes not responding.


and as for your mac comment NO im not going to waste my money on a over priced snob ball system like a mac. i built my pc from the ground up i7 920 @3.2 ghz 6 gigs of 1333 gskill and a evga gtx 295 can't get that in a mac set up sorry. macs are for stupid old retarted people that can't figure out how to keep them self safe online.

Quote from dadge :

updated vista lately? lfs isn't the problem as everyone else can run it.

as far as i know it didn't get any updates since the 2nt Tuesday of the month and i played it in the week since.

tell me why then of the 20+ games i play like crysis team fortress 2 half life counter strike Americas army call of duty world at war and no many other to list live for speed is the only one with the problem.

Quote from george_tsiros :

i see your problem

also, your mechanic is a pony.

funny how nothing else is a problem with this system other the lfs all my other games. my phone my webcam my bluetooth headset every thing works fine. stop scape goating on vista thats not the problem.

Quote from SparkyDave :

You have tried right clicking the LFS shortcut (or exe) and run as admin ?

Have you got LFS set up in its own folder, havn't removed or edited or replaced any files?

Are you running version 0.5Z? or have you updated to any of the test patches? if the later replace the LFS.exe with your old original one.

Good luck.

SD.

yes still crashes

yes its in its own folder.

i have tried both a fresh re downloaded copy and a few copy's of mine all do the same thing.

Quote from SparkyDave :

You can try system restore, its totally reversable, so worth a try.

SD.

tried it already no affect

Quote from Shadowww :

Have been using linuxes last time, eh?

every time i ask for help i get none and all the posts go off topic wtf. i can't play my game that i bought wtf guys come up with some ideas. i have given up on trying what i know.