Two cents: if the devs are going to listen to ANYONE it'll be someone who's paid the money and played the full game: i.e., someone who knows what they're talking about and earned the right to criticise - not someone who's bitching because something in their FREE GAME has been removed.

I've never seen such whiny, spoiled, childish bitching like this from demo users from any other game community whether from FPS, racing or any other kind of game.

If you want the XRT so damn bad, save/earn 24 pounds - how many other games do you own that have cost that much or more? Not only will you get your precious XRT back you'll also have a stack more tracks to drift on, even if you completely ignore every other goddam car. If you want a free drift simulator (and don't want to stay on an old X patch) then sorry, you're just shit outa luck. Jeez, the party's finally over and some people are throwing a hissy fit.

Thanks devs, nice one :up:
Don't listen to the whiners (I'm sure you're not), you've greatly improved the greatest (non-historical) race sim in existence

+1 for lifting & shifting

Quote from everysinglebitchingmoaningpatchhater :

Waaaaaaaaah!

Toughen up.

Vote [1] remove forum poll option for demo users

Yep, off with 'em.

No point clinging to old lap times if they don't accurately reflect current car behaviour. Even less point if some track dimensions have changed too. I'm sure RL drivers didn't care about previous PBs when they added, for just one example, Piscine & Bus Stop to Monaco and altered Gazometre four or five times - or when their cars behaved differently to a previous year (which usually means "faster" anyway).

Last edited by Hankstar, Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:44.

I believe the new 430 Scuderia is actually faster around Ferrari's test track than the Enzo :eek: so all the Enzo's got over its sisters now is hot looks

Thanks devs, always nice to get early presents :up:

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you & your loved ones with his noodly appendage this Christmas.

Seen them three times now, kick-arse live band. Love 'em.

However...to have your mind blown out the side of your head and sucked up by flesh-eating owls, go see The Mars Volta.

Locked diff - do not want
Flatshifting - makes baby Jeebus cry

+1

1 And lo, after two years did Chuck Norris return from the wilderness to gloat; 2 and he didst feast upon the lambs, and the sloths, and the fruit bats; 3 and Chuck Norris did laugh and laugh and laugh and think to himself: "3y3 pWo4n3d j00z n00bz0rgz"; 4 and the people who had gathered to hear his words were all like: "d00d ssly, w/eva".

Maelstrom, anyone can post a link to a wiki article to make a point. Just like anyone can post assumptions about other peoples' lives on an internet forum from thousands of miles away, knowing full well that (a) that, given the original post is true (and we have to assume it is) that it's highly likely to cause more pain and (b) that there is no possible, meaningful action anyone can take against them if & when that pain is caused. Add to that list the full knowledge that you're very likely to get flamed by everyone else for your efforts and it basically adds up to (and I don't even need a wiki-derived analysis for this) dishonest, cowardly, negative attention-seeking behaviour.

Micky, ignore it (and me too, as I could be as wrong about anything as anybody else). All the best to you.

Last edited by Hankstar, Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:25.

Quote from squidhead :

I mean look at what you can do to the car in LFS, it's nowhere near stock, you can adjust EVERYTHING in it... how is that not a driftcar if you want it to be?

:up: Leaving aside LFS's race cars, even the "road" cars are adjustable to a higher degree than most real-world road-legal trackday cars. Basically, if you can't drift an LFS car, you (a) can't set it up properly and should find out how or (b) can't actually drift all that well (and should sodding well find out how). I don't drift myself but I know a good drifter when I see one. There are plenty of videos out there featuring LFS players drifting like D1GP champions.

Last edited by Hankstar, Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:06.

They only vaguely simulate driving.

Thanks Scawen.
Sticky thread?

I'd say motorcycles, but there are too many half-blind halfwits in cars trying to kill me whenever I go for a ride.

Dating: your friend's ex or your brother's ex?

F-Zero - it led me to Wipeout and I'll always be grateful

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Voyager?

I don't think it's a faction Rooble I think the "We're glad Lfs is more difficult" thread was a light-hearted response to the large number of threads that popped up within hours of the patch release, complaining about some stuff and wanting other stuff back While that thread seems quite popular (which seems to represent a large portion of LFS players who like the new changes, btw) I think it's blowing it a bit out of proportion to call disagreements over the new patch factionalism! There always have been and probably always will be disagreements over every new LFS patch and I don't think this latest batch of disagreements is anything new. I recall all the fuss some people made in the past about various patch inclusions such as the reducing in steering lock, new tyre behaviour, damage, paying for hi-res skins, forced cockpit view as a server option, clutch pack updates and so on and all that crap died down after a short while and people got on with what we're all here for (racing FYI ) without leaving a divided community. Some people are better at voicing their disagreements better than others though, no doubt about that

Simply, I guess the devs know what their vision is better than we can guess and they know how to get there better than we can imagine. LFS is going to keep changing, probably in ways that many of us can't imagine just now. The fact that some people will accept changes in their stride and some will resist them is just human nature. Whatever makes this game better reflect reality is ok by me.

@ Intrepid

My general, non-targeted (yet thoroughly on-topic) comment:

Only those who have specific expectations get disappointed. Of course, if someone (e.g. Scavier) led you to those expectations by promising specific things and then didn't deliver them, you'd have every right to feel disappointed. AFAIK Scavier haven't ever done that. On the rare occasion they do tell you what's coming they actually deliver it. However long they take or in what form, I always appreciate the changes in LFS, especially the ones the hurt the "arcadey" crowd by making things harder, but I suppose I'm a bit bloody-minded in that way

I've found it helps, with any game I like that's progressing & evolving, either through development or third-party modification, if I just go with it and try not to second-guess what's coming next or place expectations on peoples' shoulders that I have no reason in holding After [insert long time here] of following the lengthy (yet ultimately awesome) GPL Mod process and the highly frustrating nK Pro un-progress it's a lesson I've learned in spades, shovels and a couple of full Kelso wheelbarrows.

Last edited by Hankstar, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:22.

Some might say that the numbers on the tacho and the clock should be the only ones a racer concerns themselves with Some might even go further and say bugger the tacho - shift by ear

Regardless of the car I always tend to get distracted by my speedo anyway, constantly comparing exit speeds, mid-turn speeds etc. When I turn it off and just concentrate on my lines I tend to drive with a lot more rhythm anyway, which, if not making me faster, at least makes me more consistent. Meh, maybe it's just me being used to GPL with it's complete lack of telemetry In GPL, you have your dash with fuel guage and tacho (and a couple of other dials that don't matter) and your pitboard - which only flashes as you approach the line and only shows your time, position and gap from your previous lap Us geezers like stuff like that. Now get off mah lawn! :geezer:

Android, ban his signature while you're at it - I don't care about his e-penis Plus his avatar is an affront to human decency!

Someone oil up a padlock please :up:

Effing spam, bah humbug :|

You bumped this dead thread for that?