Thanks for the detailed report. It must be quite a lot of work but I think ot will really benefit the series by helping us get over the noob stage more quickly.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Blue flag simply means be aware someone is behind you.

Only in F1 does it mean 'let them pass'.

Exactly. I mentioned this once a couple of years ago and nobody believed me.

I'll put it this way. The only reason I keep any other sims than LFS installed on my PC is because LFS lacks real tracks. It's also one of the big reasons that real racing drivers tend to be pulled more towards rCraptor rather than LFS.

But real cars: meh

Looks like we just killed test server 2.

We all disconnected and reconnected at once, I got the queue counting down, then "OK not recieved", then host not found. Now it's not on the server list.

EDIT: oops, I meant server 1

Last edited by J.B., Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:18.

looks like it probably has: http://community.codemasters.c ... =2632777&postcount=44

Some say it's not activated in the demo but hearing that CMRD causes BSOD's for some people makes me suspect otherwise.

*cancels download

I'd like to try this demo as a graphics demo. But usually star force in game means star force in demo. Does anyone know if this is the case here?

I ain't lettin' that POS on my HD.

The following is from testing with the FOX:

The main moment when preload makes a difference is the moment you lift off the brakes while going into a corner. This is when the transition from coast to power begins i.e. the torque at the rear wheels is very low. With zero preload you will experience oversteer at this point.

What I've found is that basically all FOX setups use a brake balance setting that is much further forward than a Formula Renault would use in real life. So my theory is that what you typically do in the FOX is use the front brake bias together with trail braking and lots of coast lock to induce understeer at corner entry to keep the rear end in check.

If you add some preload (100 - 200 Nm) you can take the brake balance back (from 67 % to 63 % in my case), lower the coast locking (30%) and still have a well balanced car at corner entry. In fact I find that with theese adjustments driving the FOX feels a lot more natural and realistic than before and quite a few other LFS relism problems were fixed at the same time:

-trail braking now works as intended, helping to turn in, not induce understeer
-it is no longer possible to catch a spinning car by stomping the brakes
-using ultra quick downshifts no longer improve braking distance
-front tyres don't pop as often in long races due to overloading under braking

So in summary I think that previously the brake balance was being (mis)used to cure turn in oversteer and this can now be done using preload.

I haven't seen anyone else adopt these kind of changes though so I wonder what other people think. I for one like the feeling much more but I didn't get any faster.

Last edited by J.B., Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:08.

I see. Well I'll just keep the one I've got right now, better than nothing. But thx for looking into it.

Quote from ajp71 :

The displays shown in F1 are IIRC based on sound analysis and have nothing to do with the actual pedal sensors that the teams will get in their telemetry and use to make the graphs shown in that article. Obviously the throttle is easier to estimate from sound analysis because there's a big loud thing connect to it

Do you know this for a fact? I know it was the case when they only had rpm but with throttle, brake and G-Forces I'm quite sure they are using more direct data now. Getting throttle position from seem unlikely to me.

I've already had it twice but I can't reproduce it by hitting shift-f4 50 times in a row.

Radeon x1950 Pro XP SP2 7.5 and 7.4 drivers.

Just got another shift-f4 black screen of death. This time without using ATT.

Quote from DeKo :

okay scawen, just got a black screen when i shift-f4'd. I shift f4'd to go to inferno, then applied the profile again in ATT because it doesnst stick, shift f4'd again to go back to full screen and got just complete black, shift f4'd again and it just stays.

Ill go test this, see if its reproducable.


Okay tested again, cant seem to get it at all. This is the second time ive had this, first time was in W37 on FM server. Is there something i can run or something, which if it happens again, could help you in anyway? Although im really not sure that its an LFS problem, could just be ATT being bent

Also happened to me, also using ATT. I hadn't had any black screen problems since switching from Nvidia to ATI so it probably has something to do with

Quote from Scawen :

Changes in TEST PATCH W37 :

FIX : Safer code when changing windowed to full screen

Couldn't reproduce it though so I can't be sure.

Quote from herki :

Plus: He has an avatar, which is quite unusual for demo-accounts

Yeah, it's funny. At one point I had full S2 privelliges on this account (avatar, sig etc.). Then I lost them during a forum software update. Then after that hacker attack a few months ago my old avatar came back out into the open but I still don't have access to the menus to change or deactivate it.

I've uploaded the two youtube clips you linked to in better quality so you can see his right hand better. I would say the Monaco one is clearly H-shift (right at the beginning you can see him pull back to 5th and then push forward to 6th) while the Interlagos one is hard to tell but IMO also H-Shift.

http://rapidshare.com/files/34642064/clips.rar.html

shift f4 is supposed to be cleaner/more stable.

Damn. After finally managing to join the track ("can't pit, player is connecting") I got the blackscreen of death when I used shift F4. I believe something changed in a recent test patch?

I keep getting "Host is full" and then "too many clicks". Looks OK to me.

Quote from pb32000 :

Ahh ok. Bios is the next best then, but I cant remember if Dell lets you get at anything that way related

Not much point in looking at temperatures without CPU load.

Quote from BlackSheep720 :

Here's the deal. It's getting to be summer here in the U.S, and temperatures are in the mid to high 80's as of now. My computer is starting to sound like some kind of a vacuum cleaner (it's that loud). When I'm playing games (LFS, of course), it gets so hot that it starts to heat up the room that it's in. My computer's a 2004 Dell, 3.0 ghz Pentium 4 w/ HT, 128 Mb NVidia card, 512 Mb RAM, and an 80 Gb hard drive. I certainly can't afford to upgrade anything in it, so what can I do with what's there, or stuff that's lying around the house. As of now all I can think of is to lay ice packs around it . What can I do to improve its heat problem?

How do you know it's overheating? You neither mentioned the CPU temperature nor any stability problems. If your PC doesn't crash, it's not overheating, almost by definition.

If it's noise that's annoying you, open the case, find out which fan is noisy by stopping them from rotating with your finger and then replace the loudest with a better one.

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Just remembered that I once encountered a similar problem with a laptop. But I can't remember if I fixed it by changing the XP power management settings from laptop to desktop or by installing a program that let me force the FSB and multiplier (CrystalCPUID?).

Some people in this thread should be ashamed of themselves. He's 8 FFS! Do you know any 8 year olds? Can you imagine reacting to one of them like that if he came up to you in real life to show you his first ventures into the world of programming?

From a "watching drivers handle challenging cars" point of view I love GP2. In fact I think it's my favourite series.

WTCC: too slow/boring cars but good racing.

WRC: great but not enough competition for Loeb

FIA GT: some cars look nice but that's it, not racing IMO.

MotoGP: best racing full stop.

DTM: I like the cars and the drivers but often quite boring, F1 style races. Bring back the old double headers!

F1: best drivers and fastest cars, lots of serious problems though.

F3: need to look at their aero/engine package as the races are too boring and the cars look too tame

NASCAR: can be entertaining at times, nice to leave in the backround while doing something else.

Full FIA report: http://www.fia.com/mediacentre ... t/2007/May/300507-01.html

Wanted to keep the same name here that I use on the track and that I used at RSC.

Replay of quali: http://rapidshare.com/files/34 ... qual_20M_17R_23Q.mpr.html

Quote from yankman :

In third fcy 2 cars passed the safety car ... I guess both wanted to be the lucky "loser".

One of them was me. I was already 15 laps down, thought I might be the lucky dog, asked, someone said yes, I went. Fischfix called the real lucky dog while I was already on my way so I thought I might as well keep going, a penalty couldn't make my race much worse. Next time I won't move before fischfix or the pace car officially calls the number of course.

Incident reports:
lap 3: overtaken under caution.
lap 14: involved in (race ending) crash under caution.