Quote from Alan Dove :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkQZKgqT1A

and that is quite tame for my standards lol

You've posted it again. What does it show? The outside driver never had a chance in hell to stay on the outside which is why he wasn't on your outside at the exit of the corner which is why nobody cares if you use use the full track width or not.

I thought we were talking about using the full track width when there are two cars overlapping at the exit.

Quote from ACCAkut :

(if anyone outside of germany knows döner )

I once ate a döner in London... and then felt sick for two days. "German" döners rule!

Quote from DaveWS :

I was hoping you would upload some more footage, thanks.

Thx, nice to get some feedback. I was wondering before uploading if people would prefer the splitscreen of just FA's lap on it's own. Whad 'ya think?

IMO the people who think that LH and FA aren't that special are failing to fully relish a season that will go in history as as an absolute F1 classic.

I mean you only need to watch some on board shots of the two to see that they are driving really, really hard and well. In fact I'll upload another splitscreen vid I made yesterday from q2. You can see that FA's lap was incredibly precise and on the edge (watch his car twitch into the corner before the back straight) but even then there are at least two corners where LH was faster.

http://rapidshare.com/files/37 ... lton_splitscreen.avi.html

And I bet FA was heavy in q3.

Real pizza (stone oven, not Pizza Hut) with anchovies, capers, garlic, onions and very hot peppers.

Steak.

Grilled lobster.

Quote from Alan Dove :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkQZKgqT1A

Here's an example of a 'perfect overtake'.

Good clean overtake. Not sure how it's meaningful to this discussion though. I think if we want to continue this discussion we need a video of an incident that the thread starter was unhappy with so that we know what exactly we are talking about.

Kristensen is flying. Peugeot doesn't seem to be quite there in terms of pace. Hope it stays close.

German article on the McLaren simulator: http://www.motorsport-total.co ... or_so_super_07061620.html

some points:
-They use it mainly for setup and parts testing.
-Hakkinen almost broke his wrist because he didn't let go of the wheel when he crashed.
-PDLR says it is very real because he wouldn't use it before races if it wouldn't help him.

live ticker: http://www.the-paddock.net/

Vettel will debut in Indianapolis.

Quote from bbman :

It's very hard to see it, it happens very fast and there are only a few frames which are really useful (most of it is obstructed by the dust and rubble)... I've attached two images of the video, using the best frames I could get out of it and marked the direction of the car by drawing a line from one right tire to the other:

Don't forget: since the car is in the air and not propelled in any way, the direction it's pointing does not have to be the same as the direction it's travelling.

EDIT: beaten by dav rc. BTW the official value is 30°. When I read it I thought it must be wrong but after looking at the analysis in this thread I think it's correct. That the peak G was only 40 also supports this. Kenny Brack survivied 193 G. Still a mighty hard hit though.

Last edited by J.B., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 18:02.

Thanks for pulling that from the FIA site. So the important part concerning this thread is

Quote :

manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers such as
premature changes of direction, more than one change of
direction, deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the
outside of the curve or any other abnormal change of direction,
are strictly prohibited and shall be penalised

I think the parts about change of direction don't make any sense with respect to corners so that leaves "deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the
outside of the curve".

Strange wording but I would interpret this to mean that you may never push a car off the track in a corner, even with small overlap. Overlap is not mentioned, only intent.

Quote from ans7812 :

Is taking a nap when you are 17 years old lame? Yes/No

Why would it be?

X-Ter: care to show us some examples of such rules in real racing? If there were rules there would be no discussion. But I've yet to see any.

EDIT: with your DTM/concrete wall comment I assume you were referring to Lauda vs Winkelhock at Lausitzring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7E1TQSKPsk

That's actually quite a good example. The Audi motorsports director Dr. Ulrich and ex champion and Commentator Manuel Reuter thought that Lauda was in the wrong. Norbert Haug and (now fired) race director Roland Bruynseraede thought it was OK.

This supports both my main points: there are no rules about this issue and racing drivers don't agree with each other either (as ayrton and Alan are trying to make us believe).

Last edited by J.B., Wed 13 Jun 2007, 21:39.

There's nothing wrong with the F1 clips. If they can leave room on the outside anyone can.

Why are you karters so convinced that your opinion is the only correct one? Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msW1HjBAeSw

Why didn't JPM have KR off in the stadium entry corner? Maybe because his idea of fair racing is different to yours and MS'?

I think this is the classic example of what we're talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW-jngVoT4 (includes funny Montoya interview).

Basically there are no rules or guidelines about whether what MS did is fair or not and if you ask 10 (car) racing drivers about this move 5 will say it's ok and 5 will say it's not. With karters it would probably be more like 9 from 10 and with sim racers more like 1 from 10.

All stats pulled from you know where.

Quote from The General Lee :

Ignore me if I sound stupid but I really dont see everyones reasoning of using Firefox over IE.

For many people it's just anti-MS fanboism. Especially the things that are often listed as advantages of FF such as speed, security and stability are exactly the things where IE is better or just as good. The real reason to use FF is to install lots of extensions that do useful things and to be able to customize almost everything. But you've got to be prepared to accept with the poor performance speed, CPU and RAM wise that comes with it.

I don't get it. Apple is always boasting about how they make "great software" and that having the chance to use it is worth buying whole computers from them.

Then tell me, why are the only Apple programs I've ever used complete and uttter piles of crap? Is that how they think they can convince Windows users that Apple is great? You'd think they would be extra careful to make sure that Windows users expirience their products as having high quality. Maybe they can't do any better? At least that's the message they're giving me...

I just tried Safari: no mouse hover tool tips on icons, when entering key words into the address bar it tells me to reinstall, when I click on the + icon it crashes completely. All in all about 10 seconds from startup to uninstall.

And don't even get me started on Quicktime.

If Hamilton hasn't done anything special then what would you call the performances of the other young talents Rosberg, Kubica and Kovalainen?

Did they make more mistakes in their first six races? yes

Have they consistantly been on the pace of their more expirienced team mates? no

Were their team mates world champions? no

What more do you want? Unless you think the three drivers I mentioned are completely useless, you must recognize that LH has been very special.

Usually when I have to use the live settings it's because of an unexpected incident that forces me into the pits for repairs. I make some rough strategy calculations in my head while driving towards the pits and then I need to input whatever fuel value I came up as quickly as possible so that I can concentrate on entering the pit lane or stopping on the right spot or whatever. I prefer speed over precision it this case. And holding down the button doesn't work when you use wheel button scripts to do the settings.

Since all the broadcast shots of the crash were in slow motion I decided to manually make a clip with the crash in realtime.

http://rapidshare.com/files/36 ... eal_kubica_crash.avi.html

When will driving people onto the grass on a straight finally be unacceptable?

He's leaving hospital tomorrow. Unbelievable.

Quote from ajp71 :

It also means there's something else to look at and makes the whole situation less awkward.

Good point. But there definatly have been occasions when the cars got in the way of the rescue vehicles. In the Australian GP where the marshall was killed I remember the ambulance in which the marshall was being transported waiting on a curb to let the saftey car and field through.

Quote from ajp71 :

First two are great suggestions, don't really understand the third

I mean something like "/global_press K" so that if I set the mute key in Ventrillo to "K" I could turn it on and off from LFS without using tools like joytokey.

Quote from geeman1 :

Tried /shift ctrl instead?

Yes, doesn't work either.