Quote from keiran :

Now how are they going to decide which one carries less fuel than the other to have the better chance of pole...

Yep. Shows how messed up the qualifying system has been for the last years. WTF does anyone think that fuel loads should have any influence on qualifying? If you would do a worldwide poll max and bernie would be the only 2 to vote yes.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

and then they bring his pit stop forward and wreck the whole thing!

Is that a fact? Haven't heard about it.

Quote from Fischfix :

hi guys,

because of 2 issues we will have to change two dates in the racing schedule:

09.07.2007 - Race 4: ASTON 75°
Aston Club, Race-Length: 75 laps, Flying Start, No Reset,
Qualifying: 18.15 GMT/UTC

will be at the 16.06.2007 because of some reasons i can't talk about


and the:
06.08.2007 - Race 6: Kyoto +130°
Kyoto Oval, Race-Length: 130 laps, Flying Start, No Reset,
Qualifying: 18.15 GMT/UTC

will be at the 30.07.2007 because of the LFS gathering in spain at the 6th of august, where lots of the guys in the series will be...


i hope this is okay for everyone.

so in short, we have 3 mondays in a row a race:
16.07.2007 Aston 75°
23.07.2007 3.6° Knockout
30.07.2007 Kyoto +130°

Typo. And to avoid confusion you should also update the LFSCAR main site. I'm off to practice in the event server now. Maybe someone will join?

Quote from Michael Denham :

Yeah, it would have been much more interesting if there were close battles between Hamilton and Alonso as well as Massa and Raikonnen, as well as a few others further back. Oh wait, that DID happen.

I don't know why it's so fashionable to knock F1, but I really enjoyed the race. And same with Hamilton. It's cool to say, 'well he's good but I dunno how good he is', 'he didn't really impress me', etc. Well, he's been on the podium in every race, for two races in a row he's started from pole and won, and in this last race he held off the 2-times world champion without too many problems. Sure, all drivers in F1 are pretty damn good to even get in F1, but a lot of others would have made mistakes in the same situation Hamilton was in. And for this to be a boring race, well what needs to happen to make it an interesting one? There was action all the way through the race, lots of passing.

Maybe saying all F1 races are boring and not impressive is a way of making oneself feel better than others, like they need an even better race than everyone else in order to enjoy it, in some elitist kind of way. Or perhaps F1 is just not their cup of tea and should try something else.

Viper, this whole post is not directed at you personally, just my general feelings on the topic...the only part that was directed at you was the first bit about the second half of the race.

You nailed it. Anyone who thinks that race was boring or that LH and FA are not great drivers needs to stop following Motorsports.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

i bet u dont do very well


the reason why fisi didnt squeeze button, is because to squeeze button would have meant fisi going off the racing line, and visa versa.

Debunked: both incidents in same corner.




And for comparision the racing line for that corner (that Fisi didn't use because Button was alongside him).

Last edited by J.B., Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:46.

Quote from Alan Dove :

He could have stayed on the outside, there is grip there.....

I'm quite certain that's not the case. There may be grip there but he turned in too early to be able to take the line around the outside fast enough to keep up with you.

About USGP: Fisi could have sqeezed Button at least once and he did in fact lose a position by not squeezing but managed to get it back through the slipstream on the long straight.

Trulli on the other hand did squeeze Webber and kept his position by doing that.

So yes, sqeezing is an effective strategy and no, not all racing drivers share the opinions of some LFS karters.

Last edited by J.B., Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:08.

Quote from Alan Dove :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkQZKgqT1A

and that is quite tame for my standards lol

You've posted it again. What does it show? The outside driver never had a chance in hell to stay on the outside which is why he wasn't on your outside at the exit of the corner which is why nobody cares if you use use the full track width or not.

I thought we were talking about using the full track width when there are two cars overlapping at the exit.

Quote from ACCAkut :

(if anyone outside of germany knows döner )

I once ate a döner in London... and then felt sick for two days. "German" döners rule!

Quote from DaveWS :

I was hoping you would upload some more footage, thanks.

Thx, nice to get some feedback. I was wondering before uploading if people would prefer the splitscreen of just FA's lap on it's own. Whad 'ya think?

IMO the people who think that LH and FA aren't that special are failing to fully relish a season that will go in history as as an absolute F1 classic.

I mean you only need to watch some on board shots of the two to see that they are driving really, really hard and well. In fact I'll upload another splitscreen vid I made yesterday from q2. You can see that FA's lap was incredibly precise and on the edge (watch his car twitch into the corner before the back straight) but even then there are at least two corners where LH was faster.

http://rapidshare.com/files/37 ... lton_splitscreen.avi.html

And I bet FA was heavy in q3.

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Quote from Alan Dove :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkQZKgqT1A

Here's an example of a 'perfect overtake'.

Good clean overtake. Not sure how it's meaningful to this discussion though. I think if we want to continue this discussion we need a video of an incident that the thread starter was unhappy with so that we know what exactly we are talking about.

Kristensen is flying. Peugeot doesn't seem to be quite there in terms of pace. Hope it stays close.

German article on the McLaren simulator: http://www.motorsport-total.co ... or_so_super_07061620.html

some points:
-They use it mainly for setup and parts testing.
-Hakkinen almost broke his wrist because he didn't let go of the wheel when he crashed.
-PDLR says it is very real because he wouldn't use it before races if it wouldn't help him.

live ticker: http://www.the-paddock.net/

Vettel will debut in Indianapolis.

Quote from bbman :

It's very hard to see it, it happens very fast and there are only a few frames which are really useful (most of it is obstructed by the dust and rubble)... I've attached two images of the video, using the best frames I could get out of it and marked the direction of the car by drawing a line from one right tire to the other:

Don't forget: since the car is in the air and not propelled in any way, the direction it's pointing does not have to be the same as the direction it's travelling.

EDIT: beaten by dav rc. BTW the official value is 30°. When I read it I thought it must be wrong but after looking at the analysis in this thread I think it's correct. That the peak G was only 40 also supports this. Kenny Brack survivied 193 G. Still a mighty hard hit though.

Last edited by J.B., Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:02.

Thanks for pulling that from the FIA site. So the important part concerning this thread is

Quote :

manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers such as
premature changes of direction, more than one change of
direction, deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the
outside of the curve or any other abnormal change of direction,
are strictly prohibited and shall be penalised

I think the parts about change of direction don't make any sense with respect to corners so that leaves "deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the
outside of the curve".

Strange wording but I would interpret this to mean that you may never push a car off the track in a corner, even with small overlap. Overlap is not mentioned, only intent.

Quote from ans7812 :

Is taking a nap when you are 17 years old lame? Yes/No

Why would it be?

X-Ter: care to show us some examples of such rules in real racing? If there were rules there would be no discussion. But I've yet to see any.

EDIT: with your DTM/concrete wall comment I assume you were referring to Lauda vs Winkelhock at Lausitzring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7E1TQSKPsk

That's actually quite a good example. The Audi motorsports director Dr. Ulrich and ex champion and Commentator Manuel Reuter thought that Lauda was in the wrong. Norbert Haug and (now fired) race director Roland Bruynseraede thought it was OK.

This supports both my main points: there are no rules about this issue and racing drivers don't agree with each other either (as ayrton and Alan are trying to make us believe).

Last edited by J.B., Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:39.

There's nothing wrong with the F1 clips. If they can leave room on the outside anyone can.

Why are you karters so convinced that your opinion is the only correct one? Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msW1HjBAeSw

Why didn't JPM have KR off in the stadium entry corner? Maybe because his idea of fair racing is different to yours and MS'?

I think this is the classic example of what we're talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW-jngVoT4 (includes funny Montoya interview).

Basically there are no rules or guidelines about whether what MS did is fair or not and if you ask 10 (car) racing drivers about this move 5 will say it's ok and 5 will say it's not. With karters it would probably be more like 9 from 10 and with sim racers more like 1 from 10.

All stats pulled from you know where.

Quote from The General Lee :

Ignore me if I sound stupid but I really dont see everyones reasoning of using Firefox over IE.

For many people it's just anti-MS fanboism. Especially the things that are often listed as advantages of FF such as speed, security and stability are exactly the things where IE is better or just as good. The real reason to use FF is to install lots of extensions that do useful things and to be able to customize almost everything. But you've got to be prepared to accept with the poor performance speed, CPU and RAM wise that comes with it.

I don't get it. Apple is always boasting about how they make "great software" and that having the chance to use it is worth buying whole computers from them.

Then tell me, why are the only Apple programs I've ever used complete and uttter piles of crap? Is that how they think they can convince Windows users that Apple is great? You'd think they would be extra careful to make sure that Windows users expirience their products as having high quality. Maybe they can't do any better? At least that's the message they're giving me...

I just tried Safari: no mouse hover tool tips on icons, when entering key words into the address bar it tells me to reinstall, when I click on the + icon it crashes completely. All in all about 10 seconds from startup to uninstall.

And don't even get me started on Quicktime.