Hmmm... I'll be afraid to be on track with someone 4sec over WR with XRR and only 8 laps...
I think the XRR specific lapcount is invaluable...
Thank you for the practise session, I think it was a good exercise, and learned and gained a lot of experience.
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why don't you try joining a proper racing server like cargames and see how it goes?
"Most people can extract them, you just gotta know which program, and that of course is no secret but cannot be spoken of on this forum 
"
No reason not to speak of these programs, as none of them can do ANY MORE than what you can get from RAF replay analyzer directly available on LFSworld, no state secret. These program are also available directly from www.lfs.net.
I gave you the recipe on how to extract sets from replays, take it or leave it, nobody else do it any differently - as Richard Bach ones said "you may have to work for it, however"
"Or you could just not be an arse and extract it for him..?"
Isaac... lets just be arses ;-)... "give a man a fish and feed him once, teach him how to fish and he can feed himself for life". Seriously, you can learn so much from setups when you play around with replays.
Regards
"No reason not to speak of these programs, as none of them can do ANY MORE than what you can get from RAF replay analyzer directly available on LFSworld, no state secret. These program are also available directly from www.lfs.net.
I gave you the recipe on how to extract sets from replays, take it or leave it, nobody else do it any differently - as Richard Bach ones said "you may have to work for it, however"
"Or you could just not be an arse and extract it for him..?"
Isaac... lets just be arses ;-)... "give a man a fish and feed him once, teach him how to fish and he can feed himself for life". Seriously, you can learn so much from setups when you play around with replays.
Regards
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Hi
For WR setups you'll either have to ask the WR holder nicely...
OR
Reverse engineer the WR set:
1) Put the best hotlap you can on LFSW
2) Compare your hotlap with the WR's in hotlap analyser
3) Now you can directly read off gear box ratios, brake settings, fuel used (look at car mass), suspensions settings
4) For wheel cambers, compare yours with the WR at all wheels and adjust as required
5) Tyres pressures you are on your own, but you will find the WR holders usually used the best set from Setupgrid and mostly keep the tyre pressures the same
6) Diff settings - do a test drive with the WR set and feel what he used
7) Traction control and ABS you can check during the WR replay
8) Toe-in, caster, steering, Ackermann settings, mostly like in (5)
And then put down your best hotlap, compare and adjust again...
Programs like Rafripper and LRA also helps lots with set comparisons and lap analysis (also to get that 3rd gear ratio digit, more important on the oval), for these programs you need to save RAF's from the replays.
Lastly, a WR setup won't necessarily get you even close to the WR, everyone got unique driving styles, you have to adapt sets to your own style. Frankly, I found it impossible to mimic WR driving styles even with WR sets...
Good luck
For WR setups you'll either have to ask the WR holder nicely...
OR
Reverse engineer the WR set:
1) Put the best hotlap you can on LFSW
2) Compare your hotlap with the WR's in hotlap analyser
3) Now you can directly read off gear box ratios, brake settings, fuel used (look at car mass), suspensions settings
4) For wheel cambers, compare yours with the WR at all wheels and adjust as required
5) Tyres pressures you are on your own, but you will find the WR holders usually used the best set from Setupgrid and mostly keep the tyre pressures the same
6) Diff settings - do a test drive with the WR set and feel what he used
7) Traction control and ABS you can check during the WR replay
8) Toe-in, caster, steering, Ackermann settings, mostly like in (5)
And then put down your best hotlap, compare and adjust again...
Programs like Rafripper and LRA also helps lots with set comparisons and lap analysis (also to get that 3rd gear ratio digit, more important on the oval), for these programs you need to save RAF's from the replays.
Lastly, a WR setup won't necessarily get you even close to the WR, everyone got unique driving styles, you have to adapt sets to your own style. Frankly, I found it impossible to mimic WR driving styles even with WR sets...
Good luck
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you need to buy yourself a really cheap wheel, like 25euro or something, then a few months later, you buy a G27... wife will never think about it...Yeah, my sympathies... had to smuggle my S2 in too... followed my own strategy to get the G27 after initially buying a Genius Twinwheel for myself for Christmas 2010..
BTW, get yourself an S2 license and drive with drivers that can drive.
Hi
1) The biggest reason is lack of experience. I started sim racing exactly 12 months ago, and you could've given me the best set, and I would spin doing a turn. Especially, and obviously, rear wheel driven cars. Gradually I started getting control. It is all about steering, braking and throttle control, and as your experience grow, you will find it becomes easier, and more natural.
2) You are probably throttling up too earlier in the turn with rear wheel driven cars, your brake balance may be towards the rear also.
3) As a tip - and it is a tip that won't make you fast, but will give you control: Design your sets to have some understeer - increase front stiffness etc - check out Team Inferno's setupfield with setup help. Make sure your brake bias is toward the front.
4) Read the car's movements going through a turn - weight shifting, difficult in the beginning. Straighten the wheels earlier, aim for the outside of the turn, even turn against the turn (!) newbies tend to turn more and more to get through a turn, then the car will spin.
5) PRACTISE PRACTISE PRACTISE
6) Do not blame the car, the setup, or LFS, you will kill a real car under the same conditions than what you are doing in LFS. It is simply lack of experience.
7) Read up on driving techniques, do a google search for 'Driving fast techniques.
I am 45 years old, it took me 9 months, 90 000km's to have okay control, I can now drive 3-5% from WR, but still make lots of mistakes!
sccc Gerrit/Jettascuba
The one problem with stealing someone's nick is that you cannot connect to a server with your own nick if that person is already connected...
If you do not want to open the pedals up - I did, because I didn't feel like being without my G27 waiting for warranty stuff and am an electronic engineer, so no issues. BTW, use the correct tools if you want to open it up, you will not strip it.
1) Use high pressure air to blow all the dust and carbon out - go to your local filling station and use the tyre inflator if you do not have air at home
2) Get some electronic contact cleaner (Herschel amongst others has a great product), liberally spray into the slots along the pedals, don;t worry, it will evaporate - do not use WD40 or similar!
Carbon dust develops on potentiometers and throttle and brake starts to modulate at will...
1) Use high pressure air to blow all the dust and carbon out - go to your local filling station and use the tyre inflator if you do not have air at home
2) Get some electronic contact cleaner (Herschel amongst others has a great product), liberally spray into the slots along the pedals, don;t worry, it will evaporate - do not use WD40 or similar!
Carbon dust develops on potentiometers and throttle and brake starts to modulate at will...
Hi, wasn't intending that he should fix it today! I wouldn't have if I was i him. Just meant that the bug was not fixed in April 2011 when the problem first occurred.
Happy new year all!!
Happy new year all!!
Thanx Rageshgr, didn't see it. Unfortunately the bug hasn't been fixed as indicated by Victor in April 2011...
LFSW: Hotlap Fox on KY3 gets corrupted [fixed]
KY gp long / FOX2:20.610 +2:20.610 105.23% 0:00.000 +2:20.610 0.00% 0:00.000 w¤R30 Dec '11
Somehow it looks like the FOX WR on KY3 is 0:00:00? It happened overnoght, it always was correct, I even deleted my HL and uploaded a different, slower one (this one)
BTW, seems like it is like this on everyone's hotlaps, even the WR holder now doesn't have the WR any longer ;-)
Somehow it looks like the FOX WR on KY3 is 0:00:00? It happened overnoght, it always was correct, I even deleted my HL and uploaded a different, slower one (this one)
BTW, seems like it is like this on everyone's hotlaps, even the WR holder now doesn't have the WR any longer ;-)
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teppo, I suspect me and you have the same problem (you have wireless, 3G, like me?)... I always loose positions at start and restarts... I think it is because of your lag (you disappeared last night a few times
. no worries on the oval as long as you drive predictably), and/or long latency (ping)... Critical for the oval to have low pings for good starts... I am still trying to puzzle it out, but I can never stay with the pack on starts - I suspect the difference is how long control commands get to the host... maybe someone better informed than me can explain, on other tracks not really an issue, but then, milliseconds count on the oval... enough delay to miss the initial draft and then everyone pulls away.
Thanx Rik, glad I wasn't the one one that was completely caught by suprise when I saw the SC and Jati standing there
Hmmm... here is an extract from the
Realistic NASCAR Official Rule Book
best of their ability.
Realistic NASCAR Official Rule Book
3.1 Yellow flags will be thrown if it is deemed that the slowing of the cars would reduce the possibility
of a major crash due to a disabled or out of control race car. Drivers are asked to unblock messages
under yellow flag periods.
3.2 The calling of flags will solely fall upon the hands of the administration team, and this will be
achieved via the flagging system.
3.3 The running order of the field will be frozen immediately as soon as the flag is thrown, and will not
change unless pit stops occur.
3.4 Cars that fail to maintain a reasonable yellow flag speed will be scored in the position in which they
return to yellow flag speed at. (IE: A car spins out to cause a yellow, and returns to 70 KPH three
positions lower than at the start. This car will have lost these 3 positions.)
3.5 Pace car speeds will vary, but anything above 50 MPH (80 KPH) will be considered to be “at
yellow flag speed.”
3.6 If asked to close a gap or change speed by a Realistic NASCAR Official, entries must do so to the
of a major crash due to a disabled or out of control race car. Drivers are asked to unblock messages
under yellow flag periods.
3.2 The calling of flags will solely fall upon the hands of the administration team, and this will be
achieved via the flagging system.
3.3 The running order of the field will be frozen immediately as soon as the flag is thrown, and will not
change unless pit stops occur.
3.4 Cars that fail to maintain a reasonable yellow flag speed will be scored in the position in which they
return to yellow flag speed at. (IE: A car spins out to cause a yellow, and returns to 70 KPH three
positions lower than at the start. This car will have lost these 3 positions.)
3.5 Pace car speeds will vary, but anything above 50 MPH (80 KPH) will be considered to be “at
yellow flag speed.”
3.6 If asked to close a gap or change speed by a Realistic NASCAR Official, entries must do so to the
best of their ability.
hi teppo, no problem, so sorry about that.
So, it seems like that yellow flag meant 'accident, pace car on track' ?
So, it seems like that yellow flag meant 'accident, pace car on track' ?
I agree.
BUT: nobody slowed down for the yellow flag. And the safety car coming out was totally unexpected. I watched the replay a few times and it seems like nobody knew the SC was out as everyone just hit me at full speed - my car flew over the SC and Jati, meaning there were even cars at full speed (270+kph) coming up to the SC causing an increase in my after crash momentum. The only car that seemingly knew about the safety car and slowed down was Jati. My first warning was '45 fall in behind 88'.
Slowing down rapidly in T3 on a yellow flag is not really a viable option, I would've slided, into some of the cars on the outside lane.
Frankly, there was two groups of cars in T3 - a slow group and a fast group...
I am not protesting anything, just wondering what the heck happened.
BUT: nobody slowed down for the yellow flag. And the safety car coming out was totally unexpected. I watched the replay a few times and it seems like nobody knew the SC was out as everyone just hit me at full speed - my car flew over the SC and Jati, meaning there were even cars at full speed (270+kph) coming up to the SC causing an increase in my after crash momentum. The only car that seemingly knew about the safety car and slowed down was Jati. My first warning was '45 fall in behind 88'.
Slowing down rapidly in T3 on a yellow flag is not really a viable option, I would've slided, into some of the cars on the outside lane.
Frankly, there was two groups of cars in T3 - a slow group and a fast group...
I am not protesting anything, just wondering what the heck happened.
Teppo.jr:
Yes, you are right, you slowed down and I hit you - no protest on that.
From my perspective:
1) I saw 'Nascar official time out'
2) Then the huge crash on T3 while me and Teppo.jr was at full speed
3) A yellow flag was shown
4) I did not slow down - but in my defense no one else did either (neither did Teppo.jr). I suspect the crash would've mulitplied had we slow down.
5) Me and Teppo.jr continued to race
6) We came onto the leaders that slowed down and formed a slow pack just after T1 - this was unexpected for me
7) Me and Teppo.jr hit the brakes, me slower than him, I touched his rear right corner
8) He lost control and slewed in front of me
9) Several other cars, that also did not slow down, hit me
I plead quilty to not slowing down for the yellow flag at T3 which ultimately caused me to not slow down fast enough when the leaders slowed down.
I missed something somewhere. Apologies.
Yes, you are right, you slowed down and I hit you - no protest on that.
From my perspective:
1) I saw 'Nascar official time out'
2) Then the huge crash on T3 while me and Teppo.jr was at full speed
3) A yellow flag was shown
4) I did not slow down - but in my defense no one else did either (neither did Teppo.jr). I suspect the crash would've mulitplied had we slow down.
5) Me and Teppo.jr continued to race
6) We came onto the leaders that slowed down and formed a slow pack just after T1 - this was unexpected for me
7) Me and Teppo.jr hit the brakes, me slower than him, I touched his rear right corner
8) He lost control and slewed in front of me
9) Several other cars, that also did not slow down, hit me
I plead quilty to not slowing down for the yellow flag at T3 which ultimately caused me to not slow down fast enough when the leaders slowed down.
I missed something somewhere. Apologies.
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Nationality*: South Africa
Team: South City Cab Company - sccc
Desired Race Number: 45
[Real Name: Gerrit Conradie
LFSWorld Name: Jettascuba
Nationality*: South Africa
Team: South City Cab Company - sccc
Desired Race Number: 45
LFSWorld Name: Jettascuba
Nationality*: South Africa
Team: South City Cab Company - sccc
Desired Race Number: 45
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(am willing to help as admin during races too..)
Username: Jettascuba
Real name: Gerrit Conradie
Country: South Africa
Team: sccc
(am willing to help as admin during races too..)
Hi Guys!
Please don't give Speed Senna shit for admin issues! He salvaged ORT from a total screwed up disaster - without having a reason to do so.
Sorry I missed tonights race - family obligations.
See you next race.
- Gerrit
Please don't give Speed Senna shit for admin issues! He salvaged ORT from a total screwed up disaster - without having a reason to do so.
Sorry I missed tonights race - family obligations.
See you next race.
- Gerrit
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