The first thing you should fix is your racing line. As zeugnimod said above, you should use the whole width of the track, meaning to follow the track edge before every corner entry and after every corner exit (even if that occasionally means to use the kerbs).
Once you learn to do that you will find it easier to also increase your passing speed through the corners, since you'll have more working room on each one of them. During the learning period you could also increase the rear downforce a bit so you don't loose so easy the control of the car in the exit of the 1st chicane (the exit speed there is very important, due to the long straight that follows the chicane). Once you are comfortable with lines, braking and exiting throttle you shoule decrease the rear downforce back to its normal value and try again (low downforce = less grip + more maximum speed + more responsive cornering).
Good luck!
Once you learn to do that you will find it easier to also increase your passing speed through the corners, since you'll have more working room on each one of them. During the learning period you could also increase the rear downforce a bit so you don't loose so easy the control of the car in the exit of the 1st chicane (the exit speed there is very important, due to the long straight that follows the chicane). Once you are comfortable with lines, braking and exiting throttle you shoule decrease the rear downforce back to its normal value and try again (low downforce = less grip + more maximum speed + more responsive cornering).
Good luck!
English (all the software I'm using is switched to English)
Here you can compare laptimes. You can even download replays (by clicking the laptime) so you can study them. Also, you can download setups from either team inferno or setupgrid.net.
I like Spanish people and I loved your country when I visited a few years ago (Andalusia tour... just beautiful)! Personally, I don't generalize, since I've also spotted in the LFSW charts Brazilians, Germans, Australians and others using the macro (tbh most of the time I just check the CL and AC flags).
The main thing here is the ethical part, not the nationality
Btw, -M- can use just the button clutch without the macro if he seeks realism. He can also use Track IR
The main thing here is the ethical part, not the nationality
Btw, -M- can use just the button clutch without the macro if he seeks realism. He can also use Track IR
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They may can, they may not, but even if they can I bet it will take them a lot more effort and time to do it. There's only one way to know, to re-upload their hotlaps either using AC or pedal CL
For me -M- is a problem too, what is unethical stays unethical regardless the outcome. I'm glad you are going to inform them what the LFS community thinks of them right now (even gereralizing for all Spanish LFS racers), although I'm pretty sure both Zanini and arrechee are well aware of this thread!
In other words, dear RocksGT, what you say is that it's those guys' choise to be dishonored in the LFS community, by their own free will! They're already in my black list!
I think a good setup contributes a lot more than 2-5%. In patch Y my pb with XFG@BL1 was 1.33.800 while with the default race-s setup I could hardly drop below 1.35
I'd say a good setup is about 20% to 30% of the final outcome, with the rest being the driver's skill (practising including). And setup-wise there's more than one way to achieve fast laptimes (meaning, two or more completly different setups are capable of producing similar laptimes, not necessarily driven by the same driver though).
Before patch Z the default setups were not good at all, they are supposed to be better in patch Z but I haven't tried them.
As others have already said, even if the same setup was enforced online you'd find out that you would pretty much again been beaten the same way by the guys who beat you now
Practice is the key
Before patch Z the default setups were not good at all, they are supposed to be better in patch Z but I haven't tried them.
As others have already said, even if the same setup was enforced online you'd find out that you would pretty much again been beaten the same way by the guys who beat you now
Practice is the key
Unless an official fix occurs, I beleive all hotlaps with both CL and AC flags being off will not get any respect from the guys who's opinions matter the most in a hotlap competition such as the LFSW Hotlaps.
Unless they seriously lack talent, yes they can. But it may take time! Accumulated experience along with observative thinking always helps.
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Why should he? He was driving one of the most famous tracks ever in motorsports!
I think it's a little bit of both, talent and practice! Neither one alone is good enough!
Even if you are talented and can move fast within a few laps in an uknonwn combo, without practicing your talent you won't be able to "eat" those tenths needed to beat that damn wr (or move consistently around it).
And vice versa, if you are less talented (but you still have some talent) you can make up by practicing hard.
In all cases, patience & persistance usually pays off
Even if you are talented and can move fast within a few laps in an uknonwn combo, without practicing your talent you won't be able to "eat" those tenths needed to beat that damn wr (or move consistently around it).
And vice versa, if you are less talented (but you still have some talent) you can make up by practicing hard.
In all cases, patience & persistance usually pays off
@Chaos: that's shocking news, it was indeed a great opportunity for the community to have at least one rl track (and from what I see in rf it's a great track).
I don't understand why the devs still keep such a negative attitude against rl tracks (even when they are offered just to dictate the community -or a small talented fraction of it- for the track making instead of making them themselves). I respect their decisions though!
I beleive that rl tracks are essential for LFS future, since things now are not the same as they were some years ago. The competition nowdays is a lot stronger (re-birth of rf with the real feel plugin and proper car physics, i-racing, race07) and "leaks" from lfs to those sims happen quite more often imho and also more newcomers are attracted from those other sims. I think the devs realise that and I beleive sooner or later it's invetible to include at least a couple of rl tracks in LFS (laser scanned or not).
I don't understand why the devs still keep such a negative attitude against rl tracks (even when they are offered just to dictate the community -or a small talented fraction of it- for the track making instead of making them themselves). I respect their decisions though!
I beleive that rl tracks are essential for LFS future, since things now are not the same as they were some years ago. The competition nowdays is a lot stronger (re-birth of rf with the real feel plugin and proper car physics, i-racing, race07) and "leaks" from lfs to those sims happen quite more often imho and also more newcomers are attracted from those other sims. I think the devs realise that and I beleive sooner or later it's invetible to include at least a couple of rl tracks in LFS (laser scanned or not).
Sometimes it helps to take a break and try again after a while. Other times it helps to try the car on different tracks (or other cars in the same track) and return after a while to the combo you are most interested in. Other times it helps to try a completely differenet combo (or combos) for a while before you get back to the one you are interesetd in. Also, it often helps to tweak a bit the setup, in order to bring it closer to your particulal style of driving.
There's not really a formula.
There's not really a formula.
@aIM BLR:
No, no I don't "prohibit" anything (I couldn't even if i wanted to :tilt. What I was trying to say is that now when both CL and AC flags are off, then automatically one becomes supsicious whether the hotlapper has used the macro or not.
@Glenn67:
I agree! I was just referring to the situation as it is right now
No, no I don't "prohibit" anything (I couldn't even if i wanted to :tilt
. What I was trying to say is that now when both CL and AC flags are off, then automatically one becomes supsicious whether the hotlapper has used the macro or not.@Glenn67:
I agree! I was just referring to the situation as it is right now
One side-effect of all this fuss is that now all hotlaps NOT showing the AC and the CL flag on the charts, become pretty much suspicious of using the macro.
The only safe way to have all people be 100% convinced that they are ethically valid laps is to be re-uploaded with the AC flag on
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Yesterday I did my own test too, I was in CTRA when Need For Weed first humored me as his No1 enemy and then asked me for my setup for the XFG@SO2R. I already knew that his wr with XFG@SO2 was most probably done with the macro, since neither AC nor CL flag is on in the charts. So I gave him the setup (which btw was not made by me, its partyboy's) and when he told me he intends to brake my (not so good) wr in that combo and disconnected I left him a message in LFSW asking him not to use the macro, in the name of the fairplay.
What's left for this test to get completed is to see what will Need For Weed do
(no answer in my msg so far)
PS. Btw, with this setup the current XFG@SO2R wr has at least 1 more tenth (according to my best sectors combined from different laps: 45.460+18.790).
and then asked me for my setup for the XFG@SO2R. I already knew that his wr with XFG@SO2 was most probably done with the macro, since neither AC nor CL flag is on in the charts. So I gave him the setup (which btw was not made by me, its partyboy's) and when he told me he intends to brake my (not so good) wr in that combo and disconnected I left him a message in LFSW asking him not to use the macro, in the name of the fairplay.What's left for this test to get completed is to see what will Need For Weed do
(no answer in my msg so far)PS. Btw, with this setup the current XFG@SO2R wr has at least 1 more tenth (according to my best sectors combined from different laps: 45.460+18.790).
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bawbag, worm, arco, duck, who have posted on this topic, are amongst the guys who can drive consistently many laps in a pace close to the(ir) wrs. When they all agree to the advantage the macro gives, there isn't really any reson for anyone not to count on their oppinion.
As for me, I have never used it and I never will (not even for testing it). Although my human nature would very much like to fill in the charts with wr's, I'm not that desparate for them to use unethical means (not that I could, with or without the macro
). And this goes to any hotlap, not only wr's.
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Aston and Kyoto are also very good tracks, Westhill has the potential to be really good too! However, this is not related to the immersion boost any rl track would give to lfs. But rl tracks may require twice (or more) the time and effort to be made.
I meant road-car as opposed to single-seaters! But yes, the H-shifter enabled cars is a better way to separate them.
It's much better to experiment with road cars (the UFR for example).
Nope, it's crystal clear! The macro is an automation never intended or supported by the sim itself.
In that case you need to have also provided the admin pass in the corresponding field on the screen shown just before you create the server (or in the server's cfg file in case you're using a dedi one).
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