'Live Track' is the name of the advertised technology in GTR2. It should be mod independant, but I don't know for sure. AI are supposed to adopt to that.
It's my understanding that GTR2 already supports marmbles and variable track grip (online only), along with dynamic weather (it needs an external app to activate this). I hear GTR Evolution (a Race07 mod, expected real soon now) will also feature those things. Do we have a clue whether i-racing supports them too?
I have absolutely no problem with critisism! However you... blued out two uneven parts of my post. The correct ones are: "once they drive it (the XRR)" and "even if they drive it (Westhill) hundreds of times"
Edit: Good post Becky (although I do like hotlapping
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Edit: Good post Becky (although I do like hotlapping
)Guys, the opinions I expressed above are just my opinions, are what turn me on, what I'd like to see in the future in LFS, what I consider important in its evolution. I don't demand, I don't shout, I don't want people to like most what I like most.
I'm over 40 years old and I'm hobbying racing sims since GP2. If LFS was the only sim around, all I would know by now would be Blackwoods, Astons and Fernbays, which automatically takes away a great part of realism. Due to the existance of a lot other sims I can connect myself to the rest of the racing world (rl or simulated) with words like "Nordschleife", "Kyalami", "Spa", "Laguna Seca", "Goodwood", etc. I hear or read about Eau Rouge and unconciously I'm thinking "I've driven it, I know what this guy talks about". This is what I call immersion
The name XR GTR says nothing to people, yes, but once they drive it, it says a lot, and properly set it can be easily connected to the behaviour of a lot of rl GTR cars, while Westhill says absolutely nothing to anyone outside this community, even if they drive the track hundreds of times... it feels (and is) completely isolated to the rest of the world.
Sure, I can find real tracks in other sims but it was my understanding that this topic was about the progress pace of LFS, along with what we'd like to see the devs giving priority to.
PS. I have already mentioned dynamic grip change on the track surface, in my previous post
I'm over 40 years old and I'm hobbying racing sims since GP2. If LFS was the only sim around, all I would know by now would be Blackwoods, Astons and Fernbays, which automatically takes away a great part of realism. Due to the existance of a lot other sims I can connect myself to the rest of the racing world (rl or simulated) with words like "Nordschleife", "Kyalami", "Spa", "Laguna Seca", "Goodwood", etc. I hear or read about Eau Rouge and unconciously I'm thinking "I've driven it, I know what this guy talks about". This is what I call immersion
The name XR GTR says nothing to people, yes, but once they drive it, it says a lot, and properly set it can be easily connected to the behaviour of a lot of rl GTR cars, while Westhill says absolutely nothing to anyone outside this community, even if they drive the track hundreds of times... it feels (and is) completely isolated to the rest of the world.
Sure, I can find real tracks in other sims but it was my understanding that this topic was about the progress pace of LFS, along with what we'd like to see the devs giving priority to.
PS. I have already mentioned dynamic grip change on the track surface, in my previous post
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For me real tracks are of equal importance with physcis, ffb and online racing in a simulator.
Real tracks not only give a huge boost to the immesrion part of the sim, but most importantly they are the absolute common ground amongst anyone and everyone involved in ANY KIND of racing (real life or simulated).
Saying "I lapped under 2 mins in Monza with the XR GTR" makes much more sense to so much more people than saying "I lapped under 1.08 in Blackwood with the XR GTR". And there's no need to have zillions of rl tracks. 2, 3 wisely chosen tracks, with configurations, can provide so much immersive thrill for a long time (both offline and online). And track development is physics independant, meaning each one of them is moslty one time project (once it's done, no need to change it with every patch).
Cars on the other hand don't bother me being fictional, as long as they come in a variety of types and with setup options, since most of the attempeted simulated real cars don't really live up the expectations (in other words, variety of car types along with setups options and good physics, can yield in simulating any real life car's behaviour). Which reminds me to suggest Scawen to allow the user/server admin to optionally lock/hide car setup options, in an effort to preserve some basic characteristics of a car (i.e. expanding the Baby UFR idea and making it generally available ingame).
That being said, I am also bored with LFS but not to the point to completely abandon it. However, I feel the devs owe me nothing, since they have over-deleivered all these years compared to the money I paid and the fun I was (and I occasionally am) having!
Real life tracks (even just one, well known) and a proper damage-model (external and internal parts) are the highest 2 things in my wish list. Dynamic tarmac grip, day/night transition and dynamic weather (in that order) are the rest of the most important things missing from LFS, imho.
Am I willing to wait? Yes
Am I willing to pay? Yes
PS. Am I willing to pay $20 for demoing iR 1 month? No
Real tracks not only give a huge boost to the immesrion part of the sim, but most importantly they are the absolute common ground amongst anyone and everyone involved in ANY KIND of racing (real life or simulated).
Saying "I lapped under 2 mins in Monza with the XR GTR" makes much more sense to so much more people than saying "I lapped under 1.08 in Blackwood with the XR GTR". And there's no need to have zillions of rl tracks. 2, 3 wisely chosen tracks, with configurations, can provide so much immersive thrill for a long time (both offline and online). And track development is physics independant, meaning each one of them is moslty one time project (once it's done, no need to change it with every patch).
Cars on the other hand don't bother me being fictional, as long as they come in a variety of types and with setup options, since most of the attempeted simulated real cars don't really live up the expectations (in other words, variety of car types along with setups options and good physics, can yield in simulating any real life car's behaviour). Which reminds me to suggest Scawen to allow the user/server admin to optionally lock/hide car setup options, in an effort to preserve some basic characteristics of a car (i.e. expanding the Baby UFR idea and making it generally available ingame).
That being said, I am also bored with LFS but not to the point to completely abandon it. However, I feel the devs owe me nothing, since they have over-deleivered all these years compared to the money I paid and the fun I was (and I occasionally am) having!
Real life tracks (even just one, well known) and a proper damage-model (external and internal parts) are the highest 2 things in my wish list. Dynamic tarmac grip, day/night transition and dynamic weather (in that order) are the rest of the most important things missing from LFS, imho.
Am I willing to wait? Yes
Am I willing to pay? Yes
PS. Am I willing to pay $20 for demoing iR 1 month? No
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I couldn't help noticing that you all guys are demo users. From patch Z all users (incuding demo users) must have an account on lfsworld.net in order to race online, so that may be your problem. Have you opened an account on lfsworld?
TBH, I have never seen black tires in lfs, unless they are blown up. Dark blue is the darkest I've seen.
Or you can rent it from your local video rental store just to install the mod
In the UserData\username\controller.ini file you set...
Steering Wheel Range="360" // Degrees of rotation of in-game steering wheel
to the degrees you have set your wheel in its drivers (360 degrees in the above case).
Steering Wheel Range="360" // Degrees of rotation of in-game steering wheel
to the degrees you have set your wheel in its drivers (360 degrees in the above case).
From the buyer's (simmer's) pov what matters is what he gets for his money. Under this pov, rf's free mods are perfectly valid criteria for comparison
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Why's that? Modding is a feature rfactor utilizes while lfs does not! And since most mods are for free, the comparison is perfectly valid in my book.
Both sims have their pros & cons. I own them both, I enjoy them both (although I'm a lot more... fluent in LFS 
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)Nice vids also, none of them showing an rfactor BF1 though! I happen to like that rf's single seater too!
Well, this one looks pretty live to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhfHf_Y6gI
Οκ, the above was edited. Next one is purely ingame (from demo too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 5M3JQ&feature=related
As usual, many things depend on your rig
My fault after all! I was using a custom background on which while white lettering was there I couldn't see it
The ffb is weakening when you loose grip under heavy understeering, as it should. But the default ISI values exaggerate very much on this effect! Fortunately, you can change it in the controller.ini file.
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I will, thanks! It could be that I had changed the background pics in Y.. I'll have a look at it as soon as I go home, tonight.
rfactor's tyre model is known to be inferior to that of lfs, but it is not that bad as it may seem at first. As Niels already said and depending on the mod, it takes a little bit of time to get used to it. Once you do, you can have some real fun! For a start, try to turn-in earlier than you are used to by lfs
I asked earlier but apparently it got lost amongst all this fuss about LFS's progress. Were Delete and Rename options on replays' screen causing any problems so they had to be removed in patch Z?
Are the Rename and Delete options on the replays' screen removed in patch Z? If so, was a particular reason for it? They were pretty useful!
Have you tried a fresh installation of LFS Z?
Niels, please give me some credit here! I never said he is a god! All I said was he's the only rl driver I know who has proven in the long term he knows what he is doing in both rfactor and real life pcc and he was involved in the development of PCC FRance mod, which I also happen to enjoy driving (regardless its flaws).
Anyway, the dicussion got a bit twisted from suggested rf mods to sean edwards ability or not to judge a mod's handling... which is off topic I think.
No more Sean Edwards from me here
PS. LFS patch Z will keep me busy for a while
Techade: Thanks for the tyre temp info. I was looking long time for it!
ajp71: Regarding Edwards, I seriously doubt that he doesn't know how rfactor treats physics! He's an rfactor... alien!
http://www.f1rst3.com/bmw/
http://www.f1rst3.com/lupo/
http://www.f1rst3.com/megane/
http://www.f1rst3.com/megane/2006/
http://www.f1rst3.com/pcc/2006/
http://www.f1rst3.com/pcc/
And I'm pretty sure he's setting up his rf cars by himself
ajp71: Regarding Edwards, I seriously doubt that he doesn't know how rfactor treats physics! He's an rfactor... alien!
http://www.f1rst3.com/bmw/
http://www.f1rst3.com/lupo/
http://www.f1rst3.com/megane/
http://www.f1rst3.com/megane/2006/
http://www.f1rst3.com/pcc/2006/
http://www.f1rst3.com/pcc/
And I'm pretty sure he's setting up his rf cars by himself
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