...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - Heart In The Hand Of The Matter

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Muse - The Groove

Quote from Rdcranno :

Lol yeh, i just copied and pasted name on youtube

I love feeder, i see they are on in Leeds on the 7/11, might try get some tickets!

Do it... they were fantastic last night - even if ebay has to be your friend you should do it. Very under-rated live.

Feeder - Buck Rogers

Saw them last night live in Newcastle, I'm in a fair bit of pain today, the crowd was mental but it was all worth it, fantastic performance!!

Quote from Rdcranno :

Feeder - Feeling the Moment

You mean Feeling A Moment?

Quote from amp88 :

Personality: Most current F1 drivers have been given training in media & PR so that they convey the "team message" in interviews and public appearances. This tends to give them a "fake" appearance in front of the cameras. Hamilton has been doing the media & PR junk almost since he started racing, thanks to McLaren. This has given him the fakest personality on the whole of the grid. If you actually listen to him he doesn't appear to say anything, he just waffles on about his sponsors being the best in the world, he's the best driver, the team and he did a great job etc. He seems to have no real personality of his own.

Pre-F1: People often point out that Hamilton has been a champion of everything in his career up to F1. A large part of this has been due to the fact that he's had the backing of McLaren for a very long time indeed. He's been given an unprecedented opportunity for success, having been given all of the resources he could get to buy the best seats, best parts, best tyres etc. No other driver has been given such an opportunity. Many people reference his overtaking ability in GP2 as being a sign of his greatness, especially Turkey 2006. If you look at that race, he passed almost all of the cars in the field, which initially appears to be an amazing performance. However, look closer and you'll see most of the people either moved out of the way or made it incredibly easy for him to pass. There were a couple of drivers who didn't make it easy for him and it took laps to pass each of them. That performance doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

F1: He stepped directly into the McLaren seat which was either the best or the second best car in the field. How many other drivers have done a similar thing? Jacques Villeneuve and...Montoya (Ok, so the Williams wasn't the best car in 2001 but it was close). Even with the inferior reliability of the cars in 1996 and 2001 (respectively), Villeneuve and Montoya both put in performances which were arguably better than any of Hamilton's performances. Villeneuve came very close to winning the title in his debut season. Given better reliability he may well have done so. My initial point was that he stepped into either the best or second best car. Most F1 drivers have to prove themselves in the lower teams before they get offered a drive in the best team - regardless of their history before F1. We have yet to see how he would do in a lesser team, I suspect he would not be putting in very good performances. On the subject of good performances, I don't think we've seen anything great from him yet. He hasn't done anything where you could clearly see genius. The best drivers have always been able to do things which almost defied belief. I don't think Hamilton has put in such a performance yet.

Mistakes: He's made a lot of mistakes. Some of these are forgivable mistakes but a lot are unforgivable for a supposed top driver. China last year, Brazil last year, Canada this year etc. Everyone makes mistakes, yes...but not everyone makes these obvious mistakes again and again. The thing that annoys me more than the mistakes themselves is his attitude towards them. He doesn't apologise for his mistakes and when he's interviewed he spews out more marketing and PR about how he won't make those mistakes again, he won't be overtaken on the outside again etc. Then he goes and makes another mistake again or is overtaken on the outside again. Marketing & PR is only good if you live up to your promises.

Very well put, agree 100%.

If Hamilton was team mate to Button in the Honda they wouldn't be racing each other - Button would be miles ahead as Hamilton has no idea how to get the best out of a slow car. Indeed I rate Button higher than Hamilton, it's just he hasn't had an opportunity in a fast car yet.

When he first came into F1, being British I was quite interested, his first race was very good infact, but then I took a minute, watched ITVs stories about him and how he got there and it got me thinking... He's had it all spoon fed to him since he was 8 years old, he's got the best of everything from Mclaren since he was 8 years old... He's not done any of the hard slog of finding sponsors/funding at all, Mclaren have done it all for him.

Indeed I'm dreading this winter, and after the Brazil race... IF Hamilton wins the championship there will be TV programs about it everywhere, everything, telling us all we already know, hosted by James 'let me suck his dick first please' Allen most likely. He'll be in adverts more than now... Indeed, I just want to put a shotgun to his face!

Foo Fighters - Disenchanted Lullaby

now changed to: Foo Fighters - Tired of You

Radiohead - Paranoid Android

"Please could you stop the noise I'm trying to get some rest"

Load of crap.

1. nobody will go for it.
2. A company somewhere will have a service as it is now, and will make BILLIONS from it. I can't see many at all going for a subscriber thing.

I'll be heading south in 3 weeks time, I'll see you then.

Quote from harjun :

mate thats why it's called MINIMUM wage, go get a proper job, educated people like my parents, and me going to haberdashers boys school, is gonna grow up to become something like a dentist or go into medicine.
if you're educated enough Minimum wage is minimum to live, you should be taking £0 in for your social life. that money is to live on all the minimum luxuries in life.

Right.... where do I start.

I AM NOT WORKING ON MINIMUM WAGE BECAUSE I WANT TO.

I left college 2 years ago, didn't bother with university because most jobs in IT come better with experience - so I thought I'd get a job.

I spent ONE YEAR on Job Seekers Allowance - the most depressing time of my life. I was applying for 10-20 jobs a week, sending out speculative CVs etc. etc. Doing ANYTHING for a full 365 days to try and find a job. And got nothing.

Last year I got put through this New Deal thing through the Job Centre, where I was put on placement for 13 weeks as a Computer Technician, great it's the job I wanted to do! - the person I worked for kept me on, but because it's a small business minimum wage is all he can afford me on - although I think he could pay me more. I'm just thankful I'm in a job SO I CAN EARN MY OWN MONEY

Now where I live (North-East England out in the sticks) there aren't a great deal of IT jobs going, I've applied for most if not all of the ones that crop up in Newcastle and Durham, yet I always get rejection letters due to my lack of experience.

So, more recently I've started looking furhter away - Nottingham and Leicester being 2 of the places I've been applying for jobs at. I never hear from ANY of them. Why? Because I'm 200 miles north and they think I'm probably having a laugh.

I'm now looking to get Microsoft Certified which will hopefully give me a much better chance at a new job (10x better than before).

Since I started working where I work now, I've been looking for a new job, applying for any I see. I've had 3 interviews because I'm not experienced enough.

I see your comments as quite insulting to be honest, you're implying I am completely thick, when I'm not - I left school with 10 GCSEs grade A-C and left college with a qualification equivalent to 2 double A's at A-Level.

Just because you're 'educated' doesn't mean you get straight into a job at £20k+ per year... You STILL HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. Most people do anyway.

Harjun - I have a suggestion for you. Go away, and don't come back with your downright rude, insulting and demeaning comments. Only come back IF you understand the meaning of life, not being spoilt by parents all the time. Thank you.

Feeder - Silent Cry

Quote from harjun :

How much do you pay for your internet connection per month.
And you just said you're earning over £100 a week, a week is nothing when there are 52 of them in a year.
And clearly £100 is not much for my dad considering he owns his own pharmacy store, and has 3 people employed, and earning his fair bit a day.

£100 is ALOT of money, i'm in minimum wage, 30 hours a week with a car to run... Means i get about £135 a week.

My parents take £40 a week in board (not much, but i'm not complaining)
I put £40 a week in a separate bank account for car maintenance/repair/insurance etc.
I then use £10-20 per week in petrol for the car (average £15)
Social life costs £20-30 a week depending on how much I go out and where to. Lets call it an average of £25

So lets see... £40 + 40 + 15 + 25 = £120... leaving me with £15 A WEEK to save for myself/buy things with, multiply it by 52... £780 a year to spend on myself, or even spend on things that break... Not alot of money at all really! it's about £2 a day...

Harjun IF you ever grow up you will very quickly realise that £100 is a hell of alot of money in the real world. I'd pay for front row seats to watch 'Harjun Fails in the Real World'

Learn to appreciate what you have rather than talking a load of bullshit. There are reasons why people don't like you... Your complete ignorance of money being one of the reasons.

Radiohead - Sit Down, Stand Up (Snakes and Ladders)

Ash - Jack Names the Planets

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia

2005 Toyota Yaris 1.25 VVTi - Great little engine, terrible to drive

2003 Ford Focus LX 1.6l - My first owned car, just can't say enough good things about them really.


Next - Ford Focus ST or new Fiesta ST.

Ash - Orpheus

Radiohead - Morning Bell (Live)

I live in a free country.....


.... or I did.

Feeder - Come Back Around (B-side version)

Obama for me...

Sarah Palin will make a useless VP, there's a lot of her interviews on youtube, and she is completely clueless, avoiding questions etc.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

:o

Guess I'll get it going on the torrent in the morning

Quote from Luke.S :

This time tomorrow we should expect some polish torrents of it.

I hope they sell it in the uk if not torrent time.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

There were Russian torrents of it last night. Apparently you can copy the language files over from the English demo, but I haven't tried...

Quote from Smurfen :

its teh same torrent, same amount of seeders/leechers.... just isohunt hasnt updated

Quote from sam93 :

Talking in Russian doesn't matter anyway, you have arrows to tell you where to get and a map
Can you tell me where there are loads of seeders?

Edit: I see on -->Piratebay<--

Quote from sam93 :

I will torrent it and the after christmas I will buy the game, you can keep me to it if you like. Plus I cant wait for it to be released to us Brits.

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Edit: Plus I can tell you what the fall game is like before we pay for it

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Quote from EmilO :

Where are we talking about a crack? Just because we are talking about the full game it dosen't mean we downloaded it. It is avalible for sale in poland, and we maybe bought our games there?

Shall I stop there?

Quote from CobraDrifter :

The devs would be happy to read this thread....

I wonder what would happen if they started encouraging people to crack LFS at the MOTORM4X forum. (it is essentially the same thing)

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Can we talk more about the game and less about downloading please? :@

Only if you're Polish.

Quote from jibber :

I agree with mr_X btw... if you download it illegaly, at least don't post about it on a forum...

The way I think of it is change the word 'MOTORM4X' with 'LFS' or 'Live for Speed' and whoever posted would have posts deleted, banned, slapped around the face with a fish, hung, drawn, quartered and shot... I can't see why it should be any different for any other games.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked and/or edited yet with the amount of people encouraging an illegal download.

I will be getting this game, but I have enough to play at the minute so will just wait 'til release.