Quote from George Kuyumji :

nihil since when does Dave Kaemmer and his Team have anything to do with vapourware?

Until now? Never... But they are announcing a pricing structure for something I haven't even seen pictures of yet. I'm waiting to be corrected on this, but as it stands the only tracks so far completed seem to be Virginia International, Stafford Motor Speedway, and Lime Rock Park.

So in four years, four tracks exist (Silverstone seems to still be in development).

All I'm saying is that if you're one those that's revved up about the eighteen road tracks that are listed on the site, calm down... Its going to be a long time til you get to push that Radical through Hurry Downs and into the Carousel....

EDIT:

Actually, I take some of that back, since there is evidence of a couple of other tracks: Daytona and Irwindale. But my basic point was really that I'm not keen on paying Dave K's wages while he's busy scanning in the rest of the proposed content.

Last edited by nihil, Mon 28 Jan 2008, 17:28.

Brit hillclimb, Shelsley Walsh: GWR Predator

From: http://www.brayspeed.co.uk/video.htm

Quote from ajp71 :

Real track/off road experiences and necessary skills are completely different to road driving. If you said you'd been clocking up hours in a learner driver simulator that might be slightly more relevant.

FFS geezer, let it go... You are now officially talking shite... Personally I think Dark Elite's concern that certain young drivers should be given some kind of of 'insurance credit' is the sort of product that some companies would consider, but as a general rule it seems too complicated to administer to be considered by most major companies.

Anyway, I would trust my car to anyone with his experience, because the only way to acquire road knowledge is to drive on the road. He is plainly learning car control (if its not all BS, and it doesn't sound like it...) and simply needs to adapt such awareness to the random environment called traffic. Really not that hard.

Any hours clocked in a 'learner driver simulator' would count for nothing with me.

Quote from Horseman :

Anyway, the argument is: finally someone will start charging a fair amount for an activity most of us (simracers) got used to have as nearly free, and indirectly and in the long run, all simracing products will benefit from this correction in cost.

Too late maybe... most of us are sussed to the hype of games producers and are very unlikely to pay rent to someone for a service that already exists elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned they missed the boat. Maybe they'll attract some dollars from someone who fancies themselves as the new Ted Christopher ("equally comfortable at t ... or in a corporate setting"), but I and many others will be waiting for the content to develop out of its current niche.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Have you seen the tracks they are offering or few of the cars? Watkins glen, Infineon, Virginia International, Laguna Seca -

No, and nor has anyone else to my knowledge. The key word here is 'offering'. Far as I can see the tracks you name (and a vast number of others listed on the site) are vapourware at the moment. This is another disincentive for me to even consider iRacing for a few years yet.

Quote from Mazz4200 :

the Radical is the only car that has sparked any interest so far

Vapourware too, as far as I can see...

Quote from BigPeBe :

Could be good, but that fake-soundtrack is just lame.

Could you elaborate a bit more. I don't know anything about the production of the film, nor how the sounds were obtained. What was fake about it?

Quote from yegadoyai :

I'd be interested to see if it manages to keep the wreckers away, I suspect not but it'd be nice to think that at that cost everyone was treating it as it should be.

Maybe... but in pretty much every other walk of life, "pay to play" has a negative connotation. Think about bands who pay the venue to perform: everyone knows this is arse upwards and everyone knows that those who indulge the practice are suffering a surfeit of vanity.

They're going to have to really blow some minds to change that perspective.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Imho sim racing is still dirt cheap if you compare it to any other hobby.

Dogging is much cheaper... Almost free.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I can live without that and keep my beer money, and I would imagine most other people feel the same.

And despite all the laser tracing, the video of Lime Rock park still looks a lot like the GPL version...

Quote from Hyperactive :

Still, 20 bucks for good replicas of Mosport and Infineon for each sounds damn intriguing . If they are available with that price.

If they are available at all... The links on the site go to the actual circuit's sites. There are only four tracks that show any evidence of completion so far (and one of those, Silverstone, is apparently still being worked on).

I wouldn't hold my breath for the others.

Last edited by nihil, Thu 24 Jan 2008, 11:36.

Quote from Jakg :

I dont know if it's different for a "proper" bike but when i did my CBT for my bike i just went to a car park and, in effect, dicked about with a crappy scooter

The CBT is the same for all classes of motorcycle, it's all about slow control ("dicking about" as you put it...) and awareness (it almost certainly wasn't a random shout of "Lifesaver" since that glance over your shoulder should be part of a very particular routine)

The CBT has proved itself statistically in reducing road deaths, but I think the real benefit is that it has introduced the notion of training as a developmental thing to motorcyclists.

A test is just something you pass and forget about. Training is something you consider as an ongoing thing: once you have your licence you might think about advanced training with a police instructor, or a sportsbike school... whatever...

Motorcyclists are much more likely to consider these options, and I don't think that's just because we are generally more enthusiastic about our machines (though that is admittedly part of it). All I can say is that when I did my CBT, riding home was like being on a different bike to the one I rode to the training centre on. But the bike hadn't changed at all. I had.

Cracking never seemed so justifiable...

Sorry, but there's no way I will ever pay rental to someone who wants to occupy my hard drive space with a niche product. You've got to give me a whole lot more than a few tracks and a (largely) US-centric selection of vehicles. Doesn't matter how accurate the driving model, the business model is something I'll just laugh at.

Quote from Dark Elite :

I don't want the laws changing so I can drive in the nearer future, I'd like to see a change that doesn't penalise good drivers whilst allowed morons to carry on endangering people.

I like your style, cool and rational, and thoroughly agree with you. I think Woz is on a hiding to nothing arguing about power figures... Power is irrelevant when you consider that the primary skill required for driving on the road is AWARENESS.

If you are aware - of your car, of the driving conditions, of the surrounding environment - then you can drive anything. And awareness is not a natural ability that some have and some do not - it is a skill that can be taught.

In the UK, you are much more likely to acquire this skill if you do Compulsory Basic Training for a motorcycle. The CBT isn't a test, its a training day and the fact that car drivers do not have something similar is appalling.

I don't think tests need to be more rigorous, that's a red herring... But training does have to be more thorough. Make people ride a bicycle or a moped in city traffic for a week. That alone would increase awareness skills by a significant factor, making a glance over the shoulder, before any manoeuvre, a reflex action as natural as undoing your flies before taking a piss.

LOL... Looks like someone was let loose with an etch-a-sketch! There was something really bland and generic about the website and then I realised... This doesn't exist.

First off, I thought it was a cheeky and creative launch for a fictional sim track, but a quick look around reveals its a development proposal with a projected launch date of 2009. Good luck to them, but I bet it becomes a housing estate or industrial park before planning approval is finalised.

Quote from tristancliffe :

When you grow up you'll realise just how silly letting most 17 year olds out in cars on their own (or worse, with mates) is.

Nah, think laterally... Let let them have mopeds at the age of fourteen, then by the time they are seventeen, they will either be dead (hence of zero concern to the statistics relating to seventeen year old driving incidents) or they will have more road knowledge than you or I ever did at seventeen.

Quote from danowat :

Aye, sounds like it could turn into a huge bitchfest, not my scene, I am far too old for all that BS.

Me either... But although the forum is full of bitches with ridiculous opinions, I take the optimistic view that people are usually a lot more circumspect in real life. Yeah, ok, I'm not... But I am very polite and thoughtful...

Which brings me to this: August is along way off, but since this is going to be an overnighter, does anyone local know of a venue that might be had for free? Upstairs room in a pub, church hall, whatever... Just thinking I could bring a dvd/screen/projector set up and programme some films.

Throw in a quick stop for a bulk purchase of alcohol and curry, and we could possibly spare ourselves heaving pubs dominated by an idiot-box, AND we wouldn't even have to speak to each other if we didn't want to...

Quote from Boris Lozac :

And yes, it IS being promoted like something cool and natural through movies and other media.. It's NOT cool, it's a disease.

Hi. You're a moron. End of OT.

Forum relevant fact: Heath's father is a racing driver:

Quote :

Kim Ledger.
Kim also has an impressive racing career spanning back to age 21 in 1971.
Kim competed at many events in Asia with Dick Ward producing impressive wins through the 70's and 80's.
In 1978 Kim took out the state Speedcar championships and was well known for his 3 car Mobil/Rotomotion Racing Team in the 80's.
At Barbagallo, Kim, Kerry and Matt shared drives in the immaculate blue RX7's with Kim finishing 2nd in the street car championship in 2005 and 2006.
In 2006 Kim co/purchased an EVO6 which he competed in Gymkhanas and Sunday events at MC Motorsports.
Kim also regularly competes in tarmac rally with Matt Cherry and after getting a taste for this form of racing, has competed in Targa West with co-driver Lisa Dunkerton with a vision to do Targa Tasmania in the near future.

Quote from Jakg :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v= ... FM-_o&feature=related

Turn up your speakers!

Love that clip... Its done the rounds for a while now and seems to get mistitled every time! Its not an Osella; its Alain Castellana's Norma M20 (3.0 litre BMW engine). Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vPWnTyhaq8

But there's more about him here:

http://www.chevallier-competition.com/php/pilote-52.htm

Quote from Lord Summerisle :

Uh whatever ... Cool username... just had to say that The Wicker Man is one of my favourite movies ... ever...

...and I don't mean the remake....

Debated before ... and I'm sure in other threads too.

But no, its just daft. Anyone running a server can implement such a system. Furthermore, if server admins can't be bothered to even do the simple job of maintaining discipline on the track then there's no reason why the rest of the S2 community should be lumbered with the tedious task of climbing some arbitrary ladder. Especially so, for example, when perhaps you just want to do a BF1 LAN session with some mates.

I really do not see any point in the suggestion. Its just software bloat.

This was in the links at the end of one of those videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpx9c3zT6EY&NR=1

Could only imagine the mixture of fear and awe on both driver and co-driver's faces...

LOL... F1 has been promoting "dope" since logos started adorning the cars! Alcohol, fags, and now taurine...

Fpsbrain doesn't look like anything more than a rebranding for caffeine and a few minerals and vitamins.

Quote from sinbad :

Irrelevant to the discussion, ...

I know...

Quote from nihil :

... for no other reason than ...

Lamp? Lamp testing? Me no understand...

Quote from Huru-aito :

I like brake testing.

Not really sportsmanlike....

Quote from lefty :

Will they try to race like in real life or pull some sudden smartypants moves out of their arse. It's about trusting the others to make it through corners and straights without stupid moves that allow door to door racing.

Schwantz and Rainey at Hockenheim in 1991: for no other reason than Schwantz's (#34) move going into the stadium section defines the word "smartypants" and he defended it beautifully to finishing line.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64687

Quote :

After the cancellation of the 2008 Dakar Rally following terrorist threats, it appears that the route for 2009 will be completely new, moving continents from Africa to South America.

Autosport.com understands that ASO, the organisers of the event, have signed a deal with a promotion company in Argentina to have a fresh start, therefore distancing themselves to the terrorist problems that eventually stopped the 2008 edition earlier this month.

....

BTW... As I understand it. a number of privateer teams who were set for the Paris-Dakar are competing in the Budapest-Bamako instead:

http://www.budapestbamako.org/en/utvonal.phtml

Last edited by nihil, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 11:47.

Red Bull launched the RB4 (ahem...) at Jerez ... Crash.net has a lot of low res images, but I haven't searched for any other galleries yet...

EDIT:

http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/46081_2.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/gallery/launches/2008/220.html

Last edited by nihil, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 10:45.

Quote from Zachary Zoomy :

why can't LFS be a Renissance Simulator?

Renaissance? You mean a simulator of 14th century nostalgia for an Arcadian state of grace?

Sorry, uncalled for sarcasm on my part ... especially since I guess you mean that the LFS community should have space for a wide combination of disciplines?