Until now? Never... But they are announcing a pricing structure for something I haven't even seen pictures of yet. I'm waiting to be corrected on this, but as it stands the only tracks so far completed seem to be Virginia International, Stafford Motor Speedway, and Lime Rock Park.
So in four years, four tracks exist (Silverstone seems to still be in development).
All I'm saying is that if you're one those that's revved up about the eighteen road tracks that are listed on the site, calm down... Its going to be a long time til you get to push that Radical through Hurry Downs and into the Carousel....
EDIT:
Actually, I take some of that back, since there is evidence of a couple of other tracks: Daytona and Irwindale. But my basic point was really that I'm not keen on paying Dave K's wages while he's busy scanning in the rest of the proposed content.
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FFS geezer, let it go... You are now officially talking shite... Personally I think Dark Elite's concern that certain young drivers should be given some kind of of 'insurance credit' is the sort of product that some companies would consider, but as a general rule it seems too complicated to administer to be considered by most major companies.
Anyway, I would trust my car to anyone with his experience, because the only way to acquire road knowledge is to drive on the road. He is plainly learning car control (if its not all BS, and it doesn't sound like it...) and simply needs to adapt such awareness to the random environment called traffic. Really not that hard.
Any hours clocked in a 'learner driver simulator' would count for nothing with me.
Too late maybe... most of us are sussed to the hype of games producers and are very unlikely to pay rent to someone for a service that already exists elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned they missed the boat. Maybe they'll attract some dollars from someone who fancies themselves as the new Ted Christopher ("equally comfortable at t ... or in a corporate setting"), but I and many others will be waiting for the content to develop out of its current niche.
No, and nor has anyone else to my knowledge. The key word here is 'offering'. Far as I can see the tracks you name (and a vast number of others listed on the site) are vapourware at the moment. This is another disincentive for me to even consider iRacing for a few years yet.
Vapourware too, as far as I can see...
Could you elaborate a bit more. I don't know anything about the production of the film, nor how the sounds were obtained. What was fake about it?
Maybe... but in pretty much every other walk of life, "pay to play" has a negative connotation. Think about bands who pay the venue to perform: everyone knows this is arse upwards and everyone knows that those who indulge the practice are suffering a surfeit of vanity.
They're going to have to really blow some minds to change that perspective.
And despite all the laser tracing, the video of Lime Rock park still looks a lot like the GPL version...
If they are available at all... The links on the site go to the actual circuit's sites. There are only four tracks that show any evidence of completion so far (and one of those, Silverstone, is apparently still being worked on).
I wouldn't hold my breath for the others.
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The CBT is the same for all classes of motorcycle, it's all about slow control ("dicking about" as you put it...) and awareness (it almost certainly wasn't a random shout of "Lifesaver" since that glance over your shoulder should be part of a very particular routine)
The CBT has proved itself statistically in reducing road deaths, but I think the real benefit is that it has introduced the notion of training as a developmental thing to motorcyclists.
A test is just something you pass and forget about. Training is something you consider as an ongoing thing: once you have your licence you might think about advanced training with a police instructor, or a sportsbike school... whatever...
Motorcyclists are much more likely to consider these options, and I don't think that's just because we are generally more enthusiastic about our machines (though that is admittedly part of it). All I can say is that when I did my CBT, riding home was like being on a different bike to the one I rode to the training centre on. But the bike hadn't changed at all. I had.
Becky, you have all my sympathy... I spent a year in hospital (no kidding) so when I got home I almost (almost...) hoped someone would just walk into my bedroom, kick the waste bin, and turn the lights on randomly throughout the night, ... you know, just so that it felt familiar!
Get well soon...
Get well soon...
Cracking never seemed so justifiable...
Sorry, but there's no way I will ever pay rental to someone who wants to occupy my hard drive space with a niche product. You've got to give me a whole lot more than a few tracks and a (largely) US-centric selection of vehicles. Doesn't matter how accurate the driving model, the business model is something I'll just laugh at.
Sorry, but there's no way I will ever pay rental to someone who wants to occupy my hard drive space with a niche product. You've got to give me a whole lot more than a few tracks and a (largely) US-centric selection of vehicles. Doesn't matter how accurate the driving model, the business model is something I'll just laugh at.
I like your style, cool and rational, and thoroughly agree with you. I think Woz is on a hiding to nothing arguing about power figures... Power is irrelevant when you consider that the primary skill required for driving on the road is AWARENESS.
If you are aware - of your car, of the driving conditions, of the surrounding environment - then you can drive anything. And awareness is not a natural ability that some have and some do not - it is a skill that can be taught.
In the UK, you are much more likely to acquire this skill if you do Compulsory Basic Training for a motorcycle. The CBT isn't a test, its a training day and the fact that car drivers do not have something similar is appalling.
I don't think tests need to be more rigorous, that's a red herring... But training does have to be more thorough. Make people ride a bicycle or a moped in city traffic for a week. That alone would increase awareness skills by a significant factor, making a glance over the shoulder, before any manoeuvre, a reflex action as natural as undoing your flies before taking a piss.
Hmmm... That's the way I used to set up my cameras in Racer. Made a lot of sense to me, and your 'flow chart' does too...
LOL... Oh, I see, so its the ones who mount cameras on the R/C planes who are sullying the purity of the ideal!!!??
I'll take that wink as a cue... But won't bother to convince you. Really, I don't even want to convince you since I have no vested interest in disturbing the way you relate to the simulation.
As for flight sims, I only run an old trial version of a microsoft flight simulator (and only for the glider), and IL-2 Sturmovik, in both of which I'll swap between views (usually cockpit and tail view, but sometimes others).
I've flown gliders in real life and find that swapping views is adequate compensation for relating to a two-dimensional, screen image. In driving simulations I find it less necessary to swap between views and tend to stick to just the one. In GPL I find little problem with the cockpit view, though I find judging distance at the extreme edges of the screen to be hit and miss... sometimes literally.
Ultimately though, one could also ask how many R/C pilots are there here (cars or planes)? Those are not simulators, they are real objects, subject to real physics (not mathematical algorithms), and while I know there are a few who have mounted cameras on their 'craft, are you going to be the one to tell the others that standing on the ground is not 'correct' enough?
Because the view you use has nothing to do with simulation... Its a very subjective area, but I have heard nothing on this board that convinces me that cockpit view is essential to simulation or immersion. It aids some people in these aspects, it hinders others. This is the end of the story and let no one convince you otherwise.
The level playing field argument too, is specious, for all the reasons that Sam has mentioned and probably more. For instance, once you know a track and are experienced at racing, the advantage that a higher angle of view gives you is negligible. Really, if you can drive with a heli-cam then you deserve whatever position you gain - I certainly couldn't manage a complete lap with that view....
I've experimented, and my times are no different if I use cockpit view or not. Alone on the track that is - with others on the track my frame rate drops so dramatically that cockpit view is a serious handicap.
And as for subjectivity, I'm just one of those people who find that the cockpits emphasise the flatness of the image, I lose any immersive sense of depth. I think partly this is due to the artwork, since its not a problem I have with GPL.
In short though, I would find it much easier to have someone else's form of subjectivity imposed on my race if there was an option to run low-poly artwork that didn't reduce my race to a slide show...
LOL... Looks like someone was let loose with an etch-a-sketch! There was something really bland and generic about the website and then I realised... This doesn't exist.
First off, I thought it was a cheeky and creative launch for a fictional sim track, but a quick look around reveals its a development proposal with a projected launch date of 2009. Good luck to them, but I bet it becomes a housing estate or industrial park before planning approval is finalised.
First off, I thought it was a cheeky and creative launch for a fictional sim track, but a quick look around reveals its a development proposal with a projected launch date of 2009. Good luck to them, but I bet it becomes a housing estate or industrial park before planning approval is finalised.
Nah, think laterally... Let let them have mopeds at the age of fourteen, then by the time they are seventeen, they will either be dead (hence of zero concern to the statistics relating to seventeen year old driving incidents) or they will have more road knowledge than you or I ever did at seventeen.
Me either... But although the forum is full of bitches with ridiculous opinions, I take the optimistic view that people are usually a lot more circumspect in real life. Yeah, ok, I'm not... But I am very polite and thoughtful...
Which brings me to this: August is along way off, but since this is going to be an overnighter, does anyone local know of a venue that might be had for free? Upstairs room in a pub, church hall, whatever... Just thinking I could bring a dvd/screen/projector set up and programme some films.
Throw in a quick stop for a bulk purchase of alcohol and curry, and we could possibly spare ourselves heaving pubs dominated by an idiot-box, AND we wouldn't even have to speak to each other if we didn't want to...
Love that clip... Its done the rounds for a while now and seems to get mistitled every time! Its not an Osella; its Alain Castellana's Norma M20 (3.0 litre BMW engine). Here's another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vPWnTyhaq8
But there's more about him here:
http://www.chevallier-competition.com/php/pilote-52.htm
Debated before ... and I'm sure in other threads too.
But no, its just daft. Anyone running a server can implement such a system. Furthermore, if server admins can't be bothered to even do the simple job of maintaining discipline on the track then there's no reason why the rest of the S2 community should be lumbered with the tedious task of climbing some arbitrary ladder. Especially so, for example, when perhaps you just want to do a BF1 LAN session with some mates.
I really do not see any point in the suggestion. Its just software bloat.
But no, its just daft. Anyone running a server can implement such a system. Furthermore, if server admins can't be bothered to even do the simple job of maintaining discipline on the track then there's no reason why the rest of the S2 community should be lumbered with the tedious task of climbing some arbitrary ladder. Especially so, for example, when perhaps you just want to do a BF1 LAN session with some mates.
I really do not see any point in the suggestion. Its just software bloat.
This was in the links at the end of one of those videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpx9c3zT6EY&NR=1
Could only imagine the mixture of fear and awe on both driver and co-driver's faces...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpx9c3zT6EY&NR=1
Could only imagine the mixture of fear and awe on both driver and co-driver's faces...
LOL... F1 has been promoting "dope" since logos started adorning the cars! Alcohol, fags, and now taurine...
Fpsbrain doesn't look like anything more than a rebranding for caffeine and a few minerals and vitamins.
Fpsbrain doesn't look like anything more than a rebranding for caffeine and a few minerals and vitamins.
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