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pearcy_2k7
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Always the same suspects in GT2 aswell, people that have had 4 seasons of racing nothing but GT2 and setup development will dominate, GT2 originally was for new teams/drivers in MoE... Try doing something different.
pearcy_2k7
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I thought it was a bit of a shit livery when i saw the design but in that picture it just shocks me everytime i look at it, which is pretty cool imo.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

one of my favorite ever

The guy who owns that is on pistonheads, theres loads of pics from photoshoots on there, should see his other cars too!!!
pearcy_2k7
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What about brawn gp?

Actually i really liked the brawn gp livery.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Squelch :The proof will come when we get to Silverstone, and the Renault powered toys are taken away. I think we'll see a completely different story.

I don't think that will be the case tbh, i think the gap will be closer but it's the design of the whole car, the redbull seems to mould into the track and be quite a flexible car if that makes sense whereas the McLaren is very stiff and streamlined. We'll see, will be interesting anyway.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from tristancliffe :How do you know this for a fact?

Ok I'm certain then...
pearcy_2k7
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What a stupid thing to say, you think that you can just crash someone into a wall when they're beside you just because you want to take your line, your full of shit and know **** all about racing. I know for a fact if the cars had been reversed hamilton would have been strung up by his bollocks for being too agressive and not paying attention to where other cars are, just proves hamilton is treated unfairly by the stewards and people that should know better.
pearcy_2k7
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I think you'll find Button did the exact same move to schumacher that hamilton did to him later in the race, except schumacher didn't push him into the pitwall. I was laughing hard at Lauda's comments, guy sounds like he's losing his marbles.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from tristancliffe :The only precedent set is that Hamilton has lost his brains. Had he done what Jenson did today (i.e. nothing wrong and nothing wrong respectively) then no, I don't think he would be blamed. But he didn't behave, so he got what he deserved. Again.

What exactly did he do wrong today then?
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :Because of physics. Jenson had to take a tighter line through the corner, hence lower corner exit speed.

Jenson had 2/3 of his car alongside Alonso in mid-corner. Alonso did gave Button enough room for corner entry and mid-corner. But Alonso didn't expect Button to have as much grip as he did (or Alonso didn't go as fast as he thought he would be), so Alonso took a slightly tighter line which didn't give Button enough room for corner exit.

Well for me, if someone has made a move on you, you have 2 options, release the corner or leave a cars width and go round the outside, alonso gave him enough room and was following the outside of the track and Jenson was pretty much driving straight through the chicane and aiming at the next apex.

Little drawing here to help you.

Alonso's line was a little more inside than in the pic but you get the idea.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :Even Martin Brundle and DC said during the commentary that Webber gave Hamilton plenty of room. Hamilton understeered into Webber.


http://i.imgur.com/np1Ew.jpg
I don't think you can get anymore side by side than this. Alonso was always going to come (or crash) out of the chicane first since Jenson was taking a much tighter line hence slower speed.

Why did Jenson hit his rear wheel then if he was side by side with him THROUGH the chicane?
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :Why do people keep comparing Button's accidents to those happened with Hamilton in Monaco?!

Hamilton dived down the inside in Monaco. Button was alongside Alonso the entire time. It was nothing like Monaco. The only accident that is similar to Button/Alonso collision was the Hamilton/Webber collision at the start, only there was enough room for both Hamilton and Webber through that corner if Hamilton didn't ran wide. So if Hamilton didn't get a penalty for that, then neither should Button.



No he did not. But by trying to go into the chicane with Jenson side by side, the odds are they are going to come together at that corner at that speed at that angle. It was no one's fault. Alonso could have avoided it, but he took the risk. Period.

They weren't side by side in the chicane.
pearcy_2k7
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Alonso didn't turn into Jenson taking a normal line though did he? He gave him room and took an outside line and Jenson was going too fast to avoid him and take a tighter line. I agree it should be a racing incident like hamilton and webber, but that doesn't stop it being Hamiltons fault.
pearcy_2k7
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But Alonso hung onto the outside, he didn't just cut across him, he was following the line of the kerb and Jenson had his nose aimed at him.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from tristancliffe :Button was ahead, but perhaps should have given more room at the second apex.

But still - what a drive. From last, via 1400 pitstops, a drive through and a puncture, to a last lap win... You couldn't write it!

He put his team mate into a wall, understeered into alonso and took him out of the race and the 3 overtakes he did do were all gifted to him. I don't think he should be penailsed for the Alonso incident but will be interesting to see the one with hamilton.
pearcy_2k7
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Jenson just tried the exact same move on schumacher that hamilton did on him, difference being schumacher didn't turn in on him...
pearcy_2k7
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Jenson smashing into people again...
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Squelch :I just watched Martin and Davids analysis, and do agree with Martin that Jensen appeared to be looking left. The thing is, he was on the right line, and we have been told numerous times the mirrors are not exactly effective at the best of times, but factor in the rain, Jenson may just have been looking for Lewis, but didn't see him. Hard call to make.

Add to that, who makes the rash moves out of the pair of them?

Well that's how i'd call it aswell actually if he couldn't see him, if he could see him and started turning into him then Jenson was in the wrong.

Lewis makes the rash moves out of the pair of them because Jenson doesn't make any moves.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Squelch :Button hardly turned in on him, but rather took the best line into the next corner. Yes Hamilton got a run on him, but with that spray, do you really think Button could have seen him let alone expect him to make that move? To take a neutral line would have compromised his speed, and I don't believe for one moment he'd play dirty on Lewis. It was an accident that was preventable by Lewis backing off once the gap started to close, just like Massa at Monaco.

I defended Hamilton for a couple of the incidents that I thought he was treated harshly for at Monaco. The Massa incident was avoidable for Lewis, but I held Massa more responsible. Today Hamilton has really not done himself any favours imo.

Like i said before, i'm not blaming Button for it if he couldn't see but if he could see hamilton in his mirrors then imo he is at fault. He wasn't even on the dry line, the "normal" line is a car length to the right, i suppose vettel should have just turned into alonso and taken his normal line at the start too? You can't just ****ing pretend someone isn't there, regardless of who has the right to a line or corner, you don't just turn in because the rule book is in your favour. It's a non contact sport and Hamilton was doing his best whilst along side to avoid contact and Jenson did everything to make contact.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Squelch :That is assuming there is not a car on the outside of the next bend trying to drive round him. The normal line is the one Button took, and to have your team mate make a risky move on the outside would be unexpected.

What are you going on about? Assuming Button knew he was there he should have chose either inside or outside line, you can't just drive your normal line when theres a car on the outside of you.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Squelch :Woah!
There was no overlap with Button, Hamilton clipped his rear wheel, and Jenson took the normal racing line. That gap would have closed under good conditions, but in the rain how could he have seen him?

Is this hate McLaren season?

If Jenson kept his car in a straight line the incident wouldn't have happened.
pearcy_2k7
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First was Lewis's fault, second was an account of both, if everyone did what Jenson did there'd be no overtaking at all, can't just turn into someone when they've going for an overlap. Let me ask you this Tristan, have you ever attempted to drive round someone when you've had a better exit? then as you were getting alongside they turned into you, who would you lay the blame at? Though i can't blame Jenson for that one either, he had no mirrors with the spray etc.
pearcy_2k7
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Maybe if he felt he had something to apologise for he would have done it himself.
pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Juzaa :How about his comments about Massa and Maldonado after the race? The comments how he's the best car developer in the entire sport and that Vettel is only at the top because of his car? Also his comments about Toro Rosso helping Red Bull are quite strange. Hamilton might have some respect for Alonso and former F1 stars but in general he respects no one but himself.

And what on earth has Kovalainen got to do with Hamilton or Schumi driving against the rules? I think you're just trying to change the subject since you know you've already been beaten in other conversations.
Now look who's not a Hamilton fan?

Your comments about Kovalainen are also quite strange. Who thought he was going to be an instant winner? I've never heard those comments. Also Kovalainen suffered from the tactics Mclaren gave him and he would've won a few more races had he been able to get the strategies Hamilton was given even few times. Also you seem to forget that Kovalainen had way more fuel than Hamilton in all qualifies and that's the main reason everyone sees Hamilton much better than Kovalainen. In fact Kovalainen was faster in qualifies than Hamilton many times but for some reason he always was given so much fuel in q3 that Hamilton would be ahead of him in the grid. Kovalainen is also young and has many years left in him. Truth to be told, he's not good enough to win championships but he's talented and might surprise you in some distant future.

I also remember Button being considered as a future champion from the beginning of his career and just when everyone had given up hope on him he won the championship with Brawn.

Oh and Pearcy. I'm saying he's stupid because of his comments not his driving. Pulling the black card might've cost him few races for ''ruining F1's reputation''. How's that intelligent?

From memory up until now his interviews have been pretty corporate, it's not like his been coming out with comments like this every weekend for 3 years, the race thing was meant as a joke, i just don't think he pulled it off very well and i bet he regretted it a few seconds after, your forgetting they're very much in the heat of the moment, it's very easy for you to criticize his comments when the things that are happening aren't effecting you. Well he was still a rookie driver so obviously mistakes are going to happen, if anything that tells you more about kimi and alonso than hamilton, they should have ran away with it, but they didn't they're excellent mental capabilities didn't get them very far did it.
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pearcy_2k7
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Quote from Juzaa :What you're saying means that because Schumacher is the most successful F1 driver he hasn't done anything wrong? Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH8ETv2aXc4

No one (as far as I've seen) has said here that he could drive better than Hamilton. Hamilton causes collisions and doesn't respect anyone else than himself. (not even the stewards) You really think that he shouldn't grow up and at least try to learn from his mistakes rather than accusing every one else from them? No one hasn't said that he's a lousy driver or anything like that. It's his mental capabilities most of us are worried about and criticize.

But you call him an idiot and say he's dangerous, if he's so stupid and reckless how did he manage to beat alonso who many describe as the best driver on the grid in his rookie season? And loose out by only 1 point to kimi in the season, who obviously you rate as a driver. I really don't see how he's dangerous, there was one incident in the canada pitlane which was just a momentary lapse in concentration, probably messing with the 20 buttons on his steering wheel, just like button did when he drove into the wrong pitbox. i can't see what else you'd consider dangerous, everything else has been racing incidents which every driver has, who i think you'll find will blame the other driver unless they're 100% in the wrong. Just because he doesn't over analyze situations like Jenson does doesn't make him stupid, he must have something up there because i can't see him getting all the way to F1 otherwise.

Whatever you think of his driving or mental decisions in the car, it obviously wins races and championships which is what ever driver wants.

I think it's probably best to just say we both have different preferences in drivers and end it at that because we're just going round in circles and it's getting boring.
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