I think that's what it stems to, jelousy...

He's an F1 world champ, yet you criticize his driving? lol

Why don't you go and show him how it's done.

I think that was bawbags kilt...

Quote from tristancliffe :

a) Why don't you expect them to defend?
b) My case is different, as contact has massive budget penalties for me, so I would probably yield, live to fight another day, have another go later, and at the very least try to maximise my result for minimal risk. Hamilton doesn't have to worry about being able to afford a new front wing or the time to make endplates and fit them, so it's hard to compare, but as his points are worth more money (ultimately), I think he ought to have thought "hang on a minute, I'm stuck behind a slower car and there is a potential pass on here. But it's not a big gap and I'm along way back, and he'll be desperate to score those points as it'll pretty much guarantee him a seat in F1 year. I'll get close, make it look like I'm having a go so he defends, get a good run up the hill and through Casino, and maybe make a decent move into Mirabeau or the Hairpin. That'll be safer, and in the mean time I can get him flustered". That thought would take nano seconds. He's proven he can think like that when he's pulled off great overtakes. But he seems to be forgetting more and more of this stuff as the season progresses.

It's like he's unlearning everything that made him so popular with a lot of people.

He wasn't defending, defending would have been staying right instead of weaving left, right then left again leaving a gap.

I just think it was a shitty effort overall from him, when the time came for him to step up he didn't. My opinion which will be proven later in the year.

I think his pace would have been different was he up there with alonso and vettel i think that's a given. Everyone says button preserves his tyres better than anyone but i've not seen him do it much better than hamilton and i've not seen it win him a race yet, pretty sure bridgestone said they we're both pretty equal in tyre degradation. And i doubt that his stratergy was chosen by him, mainly because it changes over the race and he can't drive an F1 car and work out a stratergy and know what everyone elses stratergy is, thats for the strategist with technology sitting on his arse thinking only of that. The only calls he can make are calls on track condition, he made a flukey one after hamilton passed him over a year ago and people still go on about it.

Last edited by pearcy_2k7, Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:22.

Agree with squelch with the two first points.

Button however i don't, how do you know he would have won the race? I think vettels tyres would have held on actually and he still had alonso to get past, in 8 laps, 2 cars in 8 laps around monaco? Not only that most drivers will know that your best going for a move straight away when you catch someone and keep your momentum going, if you slow you end up going to their pace and not your own i don't think he played the best stratergy at all, like i say he waits for it to fall to his feet, as you'll know if you want something you don't sit on your arse and wait for it to come to you, you go out and get it and that applys to racing aswell, you think it's a clever mans sport when in reality its not and thats probably why you don't like hamilton because it's all natural and instinctive with him and you can't get your head around it or relate to it. Then theres still the matter of him being nowhere near alonso or vettel on the same tyres at the end, hamilton wouldn't let that go to waste.

Quote from Juzaa :

Every time you cause a collision it's dangerous. Look at what happened to Petrov in last race. He hurt his leg in a collision that didn't look bad at all. When you're racing 200 km/h and hit other driver there's always a chance that something goes wrong. I admit that Schumi's incident with barrichello was dangerous and shouldn't have been done but we're not talking about Schumacher here.

You also seemed to forget that in order to overtake you must be a lot faster than the other one when racing in Monaco. They all had new tires and were about as fast with them. How can you overtake if you can't get close enough? You're right that Hamilton probably would've tried something very stupid and risked his points if he was in Buttons shoes but he wasn't. Why? because Button drove better this weekend. Don't forget that Hamilton's passes succeeded against way slower opponents than himself. Comparing Schumacher with Mercedes against Vettel or Alonso is just insane.

About his driving style. Of course he's fast. It's not his driving style that puts him into trouble it's his mind. He does mistakes, pushes himself into corners, waves around the straight trying to prevent other passing. Those aren't things that make him faster. They are things keeping Hamilton from gaining the necessary points to win more championships. He needs to learn how to control his temper like Schumacher did when he was at his best. Winning one race isn't that important. Getting good points from all races to win the championship is.

I haven't seen Massa's comments about the tunnel so can't say anything about that. Maybe you could provide me a link?

His overtake attempt on maldonado wasn't dangerous, it was a pretty standard overtaking attempt, every overtake is dangerous, so is even sitting in an F1 car. And he didn't cause it.

Why do you keep saying he wasn't close enough? He WAS close enough as he proved with schumacher, If you have to have a full overlap on a car before you can overtake it there would be a hell of alot less overtaking and zero at monaco and the gentlemans agreements tends to be you have to have your front wheel infront of the rear wheel of the car your trying to overtake. Your main argument before was that F1 experts all backed you up and they know more than us yet most have come out and said looking back with more evidence the penalties were harsh but now you ignore their opinion.

You can't compare Button and Hamilton in this race, one started 2nd and one started 9th... Button ****ed up because he was waiting for the race to fall to his feet instead of going and getting it, he doesn't ever work for it. Whats the point in coming third if Vettels in 1st? They need wins and as many as they can get. It wasn't smart just boring and shit he only wins a race if theres some fluky tyre calls, and his amazingly smooth tyre saving driving style which i've yet to see him use to win a race.

His driving style and his mind go hand in hand, he makes mistakes like every other driver maybe a few more but thats because he's balls out all the time, which is exciting to watch and works most of the time, his achievements prove it.

Quote from Juzaa :

I'm not saying he's a total maniac all the time or anything like that. I'm saying that he does mistakes more often that most other professional drivers and refuses to take blame because of his ego. He has not made a mistake against you. So what? If he had treated everyone poorly and caused crashes all the time he wouldn't be in F1 right now. And why should I have raced against him when I can see errors he has done from my couch. If he had come and said even 50% of the time he does mistakes that ''My fault, sorry'' I wouldn't have cared less if he had crashed Massa and Maldonado. Since everyone makes mistakes. It's human. He causes dangerous positions too much and doesn't learn from them. 5 warnings in last 6 races. The warnings don't come without reason. 99% of the time.

I used to respect Hamilton as a fast driver but all his comments, the way he acts, how he blames others and doesn't respect other drivers just pisses me off. He needs to grow up.

Yes he does make more mistakes than most drivers because of his driving style. but i can't say i've seen him doing anything dangerous, schuey pushing barichello into the pitwall was dangerous, he races close but also fair imo and thats not to say he hasn't made mistakes but if it's clear cut he usually admits it's his fault and tbh most of the drivers on the grid won't admit they're in the wrong on a 50/50 incident, look at massa, he was blaming hamilton for him crashing out of the tunnel when hamilton wasn't anywhere near him, don't see you bringing that up though.

Whatever you think, his driving style obviously works and it's exciting to watch. You think hammy would have started cruising behind alonso and vettel 10 laps till the end waiting for a miracle and the race to fall at his feet like button did? He doesn't need a sudden downpour or a different stratergy to overtake people, with him its purely speed and skill.

Where's Juzaa?

Also, footage of the hamilton vs Massa shenanigans in the tunnel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVDLBqdpwg

Last edited by pearcy_2k7, Tue, 31 May 2011 18:28.

Quote from Shotglass :

funny how the local village idiot is for hard racing but crys like a little girl when someone shuts the door hard and expects him to jump out of the way and grant him an easy pass as soon as hes barely got his front wing inside

Barely got his wing inside? He was halfway up the side of him and maldonado expected him to disappear, theres a difference between shutting the door and making it hard for someone to intentionally turning into someone.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Totally Hamilton's fault on the Maldonado crash, IMO.

I know how i should drive in MoE next time then, turn mirrors off and just turn in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYiNKYaviZI

I really don't see what you guys are seeing.

Last edited by pearcy_2k7, Mon, 30 May 2011 20:51.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Juzaa just let them be... I've already learnt it's useless argue about Hamilton here, he makes no mistakes, he's that perfect.

Yeah because your so unbiased when it comes to hamilton...

The reason he looked so sharp was because maldonado squeezed him. I don't know wtf you talking about in the pics, judging my the top pictures with the yellow line as a reference they look the same to me, infact i'd actually say lewis had more of an overlap on maldonado than schumacher, though it's hard to tell exactly because the lighting is different, like it actually matters anyway, all that matters is how far lewis was up the side of maldonado. Remind me not to race with you if you think just turning in on someone because you made a mistake and left a gap is ok. I'm not even going to argue with you anymore, anyone looking at the pics can see for themselves and make their own judgements

Quote from Juzaa :

I can't believe you think that Hamilton's pass was identical with his crash to Maldonado. Just look at where their cars were...You are a troll right?

Look at the top picture!!!! It was identical until schumacher gave room and maldonado started to squeeze him. Open your eyes!

Because the FIA are stoned.

And he maanged to do it with schumacher, if maldonado had given him some room there wouldn't have been an accident, simple.

The lines we're different because schumacher saw him and realised he'd left the gap and should leave room, not just turn in on him. By the time maldonado tried to defend the corner it was too late and too late for hamilton to do anything either. F1 drivers and the FIA have got it wrong before, they're not always right.

That was his reaction to maldonado squeezing him you nuggit! Just open your ****ing eyes and look at the images.

Thanks for that, i've circulated it a little just to shut up some idiots

Looks cool, well done! Out of interest how much do you charge for something like this? Don't have to answer if you don't like or you can PM.

Suppose Alonso is a ****ing idiot too then....

Massa just doesn't know when to give up a place, which was seen in the tunnel.

If he wanted to defend his position he should have moved right earlier, you can't stay on the normal line then when someone makes an attempt to pass just turn in like they're not there.

Come on guys, i think most of us on here should understand Hamiltons incidents. The Massa one i'd say was his fault but not the Maldonado one, if you watch it from onbaord with Lewis it looks like a pretty good oppertunity and he was alongside for quite a while for maldonado to see him. I think both cases were one of those moments where the oppertunity looks good when you go for it but when you actually get there not so. He really should have kept quite in the interview, but credit to him for not being his usual thankful self and being open.

Quote from MadCatX :

Shouldn't this race again raise the question of DRS? Hamilton was really close to overtaking Vettel about 7 - 6 laps before finish and he most certainly wouldn't have been if it wasn't for that thing. It almost looked like the "catch up" mode in NFS series.

If anything, at least it showed that Vettel is not just a guy in the fastest car. The way he managed to keep Hamilton behind him with no KERS and in quite heavy traffic was pretty impressive. Well done Seb, keep it up!

Makes up for the time he loses in dirty air for the rest of the lap. And red bull is still the faster car.

Ok girlies, James is a numpty sometimes but no need for the gang rape.

Scawen, would it be possible to have more colour options in the driver names? More colours or a custom slider like for the wheels?