Well, V8SC don't race on the longest of tracks at times. If you honestly think about it, they could get away with using the Cup course just fine.

1. Women
2. Pussy-whipped Men
3. Lonely men
4. People looking for her to fail
5. Ricky
6. All media people, including broadcasters.

Plenty of people that would vote for her, sadly.

https://docs.google.com/spread ... amp;gid=0&output=html

Fun little game we played on TS tonight.

Well that's silly.

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@WTCC:

I've just seen the strangest qualifying session ever since I live.

Description: Slazburgring, very straight circuit, just 3 corners, other than that only long straights.

Story: Q1 - everything OK. You could see the slipstream hunt already, but not that much. Now Q2. It lasts like 10 mins. Almost everyone (minus Tom Coronel) sets his time without/or with slipstream help. They do one fly lap and go for tyre change, wait in pits for last 3 minutes to again spoil the circuit with new laptimes.

BUT.

Chilton with Muller who set his Q2 pole in first half of the session were leading the way to the second half from pits. Everyone goes behind them WHOLE LAP like 30km/h just not to pass the, - to get slipstream. Muller and Chilton predict they're not gonna pass them, really noone figured out that session time before crossing s/f line would be over and voila! Session over, Muller pole, Coronel even did not set his time as he was sitting in pits and then behind Muller.

This is a joke. Here is a link because even 1000 words aren't enough - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkW2_ALbV0

That is epic!

V8SC:
They're limited to 7 sets of tyres this weekend so some drivers were doing practice on wets to save tyres.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com. ... ry-fni2fug5-1226645144878

lol Welcome boys!



They are all boys, right?

The cemetery was that of his granddaughter's I believe.

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Thats an invalid argument, when the performance of your car is Dependant on a Tyre company that can choose to change around the compounds for each race at will, the main factor of the entire race has therefore been changed.

So what you're saying is that Ferrari and Lotus should be complaining too as this change in tire each race is hurting them right? I don't think so.

Redbull, a fast learning team who have for once not been the quickest to figure something out. Mercedes, the same boat they have been in since last year and maybe earlier. They can make a car go fast, but only in a qualifying format. When it comes to race, they haven't changed. Why do we feel there is a difference now? Because Hamilton is more vocal. Onto Lotus, opposite of Mercedes. They haven't mastered qualifying at all, yet have a strong grasp for race. And finally Ferrari, they have clearly built an all around car.

Racing has always been about being put into a box, trying to stretch the limits of that box, and trying to make it from start to finish as quick as possible.

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You could argue this, but strategy up untill the pirelli era was never limiting what the driver could do on the track to the point he couldn't race anyone due to tyres going off the cliff, or atleast on a Regular basis.

You're right, it wasn't the tires falling off, instead drivers couldn't be on the limit due to not being able to get close enough to overtake the car ahead because of the aero loss.

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What im trying to say is after the first stint there is no more racing, it is completely up to strategy and saving tyres, any passing you therefore see after the first stint isn't going to be really contested or even at all, I can't think of a single racing category in which this happens.

Why would you contest a car who is clearly quicker than you? It'll just slow you both down and ultimately have you lose more time/positions in the end. Its the middle of the race, you must race your own race. At the end of the race you don't think someone would contest a position? That's insane.

The tires have solely changed how cars perform between qualifying and race. You can build a car for overall speed (Merc), a car for solely for race (Lotus), or sacrifice a little of both and get an overall car (Ferrari). Where does Red bull stand? Not far off in qualifying trim, but when it comes to race they just simply don't have the car that watches after their tires. Why would it be the tire manufacturers fault for that? If all teams were suffering, then yeah something is wrong, however that isn't the case. When more teams start to figure out the tire, you will see your contesting more often. Until, welcome to the break-in stage.

Maybe no one protested and Nim has a not that checks when his names comes up in chat and then goes from that. He's been known to get butthurt easily. Its been like that for years, even before iR.

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Trying to make tyres as bad as possible to stop people winning sounds more like WWE then competition to me.

Teams shouldn't be punished for being better.

If they were better, they would find a way to win. They would be able to adapt to change.

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Yes I know there has been a strategic element and a racing element but now the whole thing is Strategy.

Since when was it not? Almost all forms of racing is mostly strategy. That's how it is in nearly any sport. If you're going to reference the bridgestone era then your argument would be invalid through all forms of contradiction in your prior arguments.

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Yeah the first stint dictates everything, then pretty much any passing you see afterwards is just a straight pass without defence, and if they try to defend their tyres go off.

Its lame.

Why wouldn't the first stint dictate near everything? Its the only stint where the cars are closest together and the most important overtakes will happen because of it. If you have to get as much as you can as fast as you can else you may not get another chance the rest of the race. That's how racing has always been.

Sorry in advance if the multi-quote failed on my phone.

You can use whatever name you want.

WHY THE **** DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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trolololol

Why on Earth would top overtakes have anything to do with DRS?

I'm fine with keeping both, I'm just suggesting a middle ground so people like Mustafur could be happy for a small period of time.

There was a reason it happened to Imol twice in the race Franky, that was the only choice the overtaking driver had.

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P.S. @PMD: Interesting point, but I think he was racing people around 1second slower than he was rather than 0.5sec slower than him or even closer to his pace. :S

When he was at the back of the grid sure, but he made his way back to 8th without the use of DRS at all. Sure, he wouldn't be able to easily get by if it were a 1st/2nd battle, but isn't that what some want? An actual "battle" and not just a DRS fly-by? Strategies will always be different with these tires, so the different speeds from nearly all cars would help in creating overtaking opportunities. That's my reason in saying DRS being dropped could produce much better 'racing'.

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explane me dafaq i didnt finished race with 73% of fuel ? 1% or 1.1 % per lap is used normaly..

Clearly your driving style. I used only 68% in XRT, while Jack used 63-65% in FXO. Plus, at least on my replay, you were moving before Kosk made the slightest contact with your car.

Just saying that I'm only defending this specific occurrence, not his on-track insanity. At least he wasn't Imol begging for a setup from Fram for 2 days straight and then ruining Fram's race. The respect is non-existent for some, and it ruins great series like this one. I'm just glad people are getting the boot and not a slap on the wrist.

Quote from savvy :

@Diaz: It was my first league race in the TBO and I didn't wanna cause any problems so I tried my best to make sure I didn't make any stupid moves even when the guy in front of me is attempting to push me/Toni off the track :P

Well you did a great job, hope to see you more in the future.

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And go back to this?

Which part of the graph shows Pirelli but no DRS? As that's the point of my post. Alonso showed that overtakes can happen without DRS at Bahrain. So with that in mind, would that be the "middle ground" that will have people fapping in excitement again? Or would it still be "too easy" to pass?

@Mustafur: when was the last year that F1 was not a time trial? Now think of how the cars were built and how different the technology is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... player_detailpage#t=1415s

Was this even captured on the broadcast feed? I would be extremely surprised if not, however I didn't catch it. Could have been a big moment, especially if Rebellion were turned hard left after the contact.

Wasn't Bridgestones just a time trial / hotlap fest? I understand your point with the current tire completely, but the "hotlap" era was no different, just the complete other side of the spectrum. It wasn't racing either, just a "lets see how close we can stay until pit stops start happening".

I'm fine with the tires as long as its 2-3 stops per race, but I would rather suggest taking out DRS to see the overtakes be put more into the driver's hands. Will it still have points now where someone is 2 seconds off pace because their tires are 20 laps old and someone else's are 3? Of course, but at least the person with 3 would have to work for it some and not just blow by them on the straight with hardly any effort.

I guess I'll do a little report, race was quite fun for me.

Qualifying: lol what a joke from my end. Total fail. Three tenths off my PB and end up 22nd. I was pretty worried that I would end up behind too many people battling which would lose me way too much time.

Race: I thought about pitting early, but ended up going against it after the first 5 laps of insanity happened. Managed to get from 22nd to 13th before pits opened, and ahead of me was a tiny gap so I thought pushing ahead and pitting late would be the better option. Thankfully loads of people pit thinking they were fooling everyone else I assume and I ended up with free track for the last 40 laps of the race to just try and put down consistent lap times. Plus I had to beat Sean because he said I drove like a granny since I only use 68% fuel for the race.

Recorded my onboard for the fi ... til I got that clean air. Somehow made it up to 5th without any damage to the car. Literally only small taps to the rear bumper all race long. Opposite to what most are saying, I actually had great racing around me.

@Fram/Saville/Arttu: You guys have way too much patience, I applaud you. I just watched the replay and I wouldn't have made it as far as you guys without a dented front bumper.


My onboard video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9DLzwuXW8