Quote from Shotglass :

yes it does matter since the fia has been critizised countless times for using a dice to come up with decisions (rightfully so) and for supposedly favouring ferrari (mostly by people who think tin foil hats are a fashion statement)
so it does matter to defend them when the get something right for once and hope they keep up with making people drive according to the rules

This decision was just as inconsistent as the others. If it was right why are so many people complaining? The FIA could hardly decide what to do with their own rules. First Charlie Whiting said it was okay then after the race they decide it isn't. In the end this has turned into a bloody court case. Is that what's best for F1 in your eyes??

Quote from Shotglass :

good for you... i couldnt decide if i should laugh at both of them driving like theyre in formula ford

Well I guess you will be hoping for the next race to consist of only passing in the pits and the top 4 qualifiers finishing where they started...good for you

I'm having no problems with the sound here, in fact it sounds fantastic turned up, in comparison to LFS. hissing is usually a driver/speaker issue.

Most of the other points I agree with, but I would expect they would be fairly easy to fix/add.

I would like the option of a cheaper offline version. I don't really have the time to get the most out of the offline mode and a lot of the time I just find myself going round Leguna in the Radical just for the fun of it.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

And the sport was doomed after the Indianapolis non-race, or after Senna was killed, or because of the FISA-FOCA war, or because of the super-licence strike etc etc

"Sunday was the darkest and most bewilderingly stupid day ever for F1." - what?? What with this and SamH's amateur dramatics about how the sport is ruined forever for him... get a grip! This sort of thing happens every week in countless other sports. Most football fans will feel the cheating robbing bastard of a referee has a vendetta against their club.

It's a contentious decision. That's all. Move along. New race along in a couple of days.

I'm with SamH here, every time I think about the race instead of the exhilaration I was feeling over the last few laps, I just feel depressed for how it was ruined.

I don't want to just move along. I don't care that it can be just about proved it was technically a penalty with people examining every camera angle and photo still and reasoning to try and justify it. Does it really matter that he got slightly ahead for the pure 'heart in my mouth' moment it provided. What's the point in striving for technical perfection when you leave emotion and passion at the door?

At the time (and still now for a certain extent) it made me hate what F1 has become. Maybe I'm just too passionate for what I think should be by far the most exciting sport, one that I've been following since I could barely talk all those years ago.

We feel cheated and robbed because we want the best for the sport! I know there are quite a few here that just say we're "Hatemelol fan-bois" and its just silly. I don't care who's the one driving, but Lewis, at Spa, happened to provide the most exciting F1 action I've seen for a while. So for that reason alone I'll support him.

And thats the reason I think the penalty is an awful desision. Not because it was technically wrong. I don't think many people at the time were thinking: "oh hang on there, by cutting that chicane he could have gained a few meters advantage and that just shouldn't happen, I better get the rule book out and check though". I think it was more like: "Holy crap this is awesome what going to happen now?!".

Y'know, emotions and all that. Sometimes they can just make things worth watching...

Make sure you have the settings right, try minimum first and make sure the 1.2 patch is installed.

Yes, reading that article it seems as if McLaren would have told Hamilton to let Kimi back past if Whiting had said it was not OK. So if this is indeed true I think McLaren's appeal might have half a chance.

Quote from xaotik :

Following 2 women in a hatchback innumerable times and trying to see what they're doing instead of paying attention to the road is pretty much the same in terms of road safety and not a display of good mental health either.

:P I didn't say I was driving all those times!

EDIT: And anyway safe driving involves keeping an eye on the car infront of you somewhat.

Enough off-topicness for me.

Last edited by RossUK, Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:52.

Quote from dawguk :

Off-topic-ish.

If spacial awareness and observational skills were mandatory in the driving test, there would be very few women drivers. I'm not being sexist, but my god the majority of women (that I know at least) have very little awareness of their surroundings. They are more fun sometimes, but sitting in the passenger seat of their car while approaching a roundabout is not fun.

I can't count the number of times I've been following 2 women in a hatchback who seem to be spending more time looking and talking to each other then watching the damn road.

That and a lot of people seem to just shut off and let their sub-consicous drive, usually while going 20 below the speed limit. No speed camera is going to save them...

Infuriates me to no end!

Quote from srdsprinter :

Ack! Indeed, I often drive like a goober in the warmup... never knew that'd be held against me...

Thanks for informing me, that's been holding my liscense back for a while now!

I hope you weren't driving around LFS style, driving into people at full speed and watching them go skyward

/jk

Quote from srdsprinter :

This is interesting, and I find it a lot more intelligent that the bold part. Had there been a wall instead of run-off (think goodwood), Lewis would have had to back out or crash. Either way, he probably would not have made that pass into T1 (assuming he'd have to slow considerably from his outside position).
$.02

Do you really mean a wall? I imagine thats the most unsafe thing they could do with that corner, just imagine failed brakes at 180+mph followed by a head on into a wall because you couldn't turn into the chicane.

I don't know how you can know that Hamilton wouldn't have been able to pass in T1 if he stayed on track, he was much faster at that stage than Kimi and may have had much better traction on the exit followed by better braking at the end of the straight.

Quote from chunkyracer :

For me, the biggest problem isn´t there. Ferrari didn´t make any protest about this situation. Acording to a link posted before, even Stefano Domenicali thinks that it was racing. And Kimi didn´t lost this race because of this situation. He lost it because he couldn´t keep his car on the track with that conditions. He even regain first place when Rosberg came into the track, and then spun the car, and finally lost control and crashed into the wall. So, what was the need, to penalise Hamilton in a situation that even you admit it´s "not 100% black and white", and create a "fake" result to this race, that doesn´t translate what happened on the track. I don´t have any preferences for a particular team or driver, but I enjoy seeing races decided on the track, and not by some after race decision. And what I saw on those laps was 2 drivers figthing, under some very difficult conditions, trying to win a race. For Hamilton a 2nd place behind Kimi was a good result. He would win points over Massa, and see Kimi get closer to Massa, not giving the chance to Ferrari choose at this point wich driver would fight for the championship. Instead of doing that he tried to win the race. That should be praised, not penalised.

Well said, exactly how I feel.

Quote from Quint999 :

I've ordered one of the USB dongle things Spank mentioned above & hopefully it'll have arrived today, will see what difference that makes.

Cool tell me how it goes, if it works well I'll buy one. I may have enough money to get a decent set of pedals soon or a G25, but we'll see.

I think the main problem is the lack of feel the DFP pedal gives you.

EDIT: Yeah I realised the calibration issue also, but by the time I reach the end of the pit exit I'm sure to have pressed the brake pedal fully to get used to the feel.

This topic is just showing why this type of penalty is just impossible to accuratly judge. Everyone seems to have their own idea as to who was where under braking, what would have happened if Hamilton had stayed on the track, how close Hamilton could be before its considered unfair and whether Kimi should have given Hamilton more room...

It just seems that whatever the desicion had been someone would be unhappy, but its pretty obvious that a penalty in this case is bad for the sport, unless you like champoinships being decided off the track.

I dunno, It seems like I have to bairly touch the brakes in the Rookie Sol and it locks, the biggest problem being T1 in Leguna. Thing is I'm sure I was locking up less in that race than my previous races, yet thats the first tyre problem I've had.

Should probably try putting some foam under the brakes, it seems way to sensitive atm (DFP).

EDIT: but basically its down to not enough practice...

Last edited by RossUK, Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:52.

Quote from FIA Official :

Referring to McLaren's appeal, an FIA official confirmed to the British newspaper The Times that he was "not sure if it would be admissible.

The FIA don't even know how their own rules work...

Well of course thats Massas oppinon, he wants to keep that 4 point gain on Hamilton doesn't he!

Don't blame him.

Erk, just found out there are no pit stops today... blew a tire about 8 laps in while 1st and thought that my tyre would be replaced at the pits, but no, so I ended wasting a good lap and coming nearly last

Need to be more careful on the brakes I guess.

Quote from DeKo :

How is a drive through ever 25 seconds? As far as i know, an average pit stop, including pit entry and exit, costs the driver about 25 seconds. a drive through only costs the driver about 15 seconds, so how can they justify this?

"The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.

However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after
the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned."

meh.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

If I can figure that out, while watching it live, why can't the stewards figure it out with the benefit of replays and a couple of hours to make a decision?

Cus they are all over 80 and their eyesight has gone a bit fuzzy? The rulebook might also have been obstructing their view of the race/screens.

I'm sure most people are not angry about this because of supposed Ferrari/FIA relationship, but because it ruined the race.

I'd be much happier if Hamilton's penalty was to overtake Kimi again.

Quote from Gil07 :

That's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter how he got past, he just shouldn't have. He did not give the place back properly.

Anyway, it's not like I care that much, Ferrari and McLaren can both be DQed for me

Then when should he have passed? How much should he have backed off? If he didn't pass at T1 but drafted him through Eau Rouge and then passed him is that OK or still an unfair advantage?

Part of the problem of these rules is they are trying to control the drivers actions too much, and it basically takes from what the whole thing is about.

But what counts as giving the place back properly? A meter? 5 car lengths? I don't have a copy of the rule book handy but I'm sure Kimi did get his place back, and Hamilton was lapping quite a bit faster than Kimi at this stage, so it seems unreasonable to say Hamilton only passed because had an unfair advantage...

Like others have said, the best thing they could do is put gravel down on such places.

God this is terrible. Those last few laps were some of the most exciting I've seen in a long while, its not often you get an adrenalin rush watching F1 to say the least. In fact the incident in question is what I watch racing for. Who cares if things get a bit tight and one car has to go off track? As long as the offending car lets the other back through all is fair, that's the spirit of racing right?

I'm no fan-boy of any driver, but I was really pleased to see Hamilton catch Kimi, have a great battle with him, and keep it on the road for the remaining hazardous laps.

And now thanks to that idiotic judgement everything I watched feels like a waste . This is the sort of thing that makes hardcore fans question why they watch the sport, and keeps the casual viewers away.

I've thought of a few more rules that I'm sure the FIA will like:

#1. An overtaking manoeuvre must be completed on a straight. Any attempt to overtake on a corner is deemed dangerous and will be penalized.

#2. If a driver comes in contact with another car and drives away undamaged, this will be considered an unfair advantage and will take a penalty.

#3. Cars must keep a 1 meter distance from other opponents at all times. Any ignorance of this rule could lead to contact (see rule #2).

#4. Any on-track action that causes excitement may be penalised because THE FIA ARE IDIOTIC TW*TS AND ONLY SERVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING THAT MAKES F1 WATCHABLE!

Hey iRacing LFS'ers, just popping in to say hi

Had my first 2 iRacing races yesterday after about a weeks offline practice, Sol @ Leguna. Came 5th in my first race then the one after qualified first with 1:50.5 and had a great race with Jason Lovett, messing it up a bit about 2/3rds in though and driving it home in second with wonky steering. I really couldn't get used to the Sol at first, but its really great for close races. Brought the radical though and thats something special

The whole racing experience feels so much more tense and real than anything I've tried before, I remember going 3 wide into the corkscrew and actually feeling safe and us all making it through unscathed. 3 wide in LFS gives you more a feeling of "OK something bad's going to happen here, I just hope it doesn't happen to me".

I'll be sure to be racing some more of the same later on, so see you there!

EDIT: Oh yeah my iRacing name is Ross Allen!

Last edited by RossUK, Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47.

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Do you have any additional cooling to go with that? Wonder what a safe limit is

I use a Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro since stock intel coolers are pretty rubbish. Its running at about 58-60 Celsius atm, which is fine

I don't think I'll try any higher, but I think about 3.6 is the safe maximum.

Just OC'd to 3.3Ghz (Seems pretty stable) and got 15.609s