Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Im aware that not everyone declares all there mods, but to have insurance, you have to. That include giving the car a remap. When the insurance broker comes to view the car and he plugs in his box of wonders and it comes up the car has had a remap, then your buggered. Also accounts for "hidden" mods inside the engine. Once you have had a smash, if theres any reason they believe the engine is modified (going alot faster than the standard car could do, for example) then they are legally allowed to strip the engine and check around to see whether all the parts are the same as what it left with the factory. At the end of the day, no-one can force you to declare all your mods, but as soon as you have a smash (does'nt even have to be your fault) then your screwed, and if the person who you smash into (or smashes into you) dies, then you could possibly goto prison (i have no idea what the charge would be) as because your insurance is invalid, you should'nt have even been on the road at that time, as your not actually insured.

...confusing eh?

True, I know how insurance works lol. When you was on about the remap part on the insurance, if the insurer was to come around, surely he would have to know what the default settings in the ECU should be, else he wont be able to tell lol.

Deffently got to get myself a Mini. It's different and surely will be quicker then a 1.4 Saxo/Corsa/Clio/106 etc. Wont be on top end, but it should deffently be quicker on acceleration and through the twisties as it's so light lol. It's also cheaper to insure

Quote from Cherry :

Ahh..! You maggots use motors??!!! Get cycling

Those lights don't seem to be lighting anything up lol.

My Dad has a traders policy. Only thing is though, if I went on it, the premium will go up extreme amount as I would be able to drive any car or they will just laugh if he asked if I could be added. I have already asked my Dad about it.

I know modifications will make my insurance high. Also, do you think everyone declares all the mods they have done to their insurance, I know its illegal but people do it. I wont do mods straight away, at least wait a year for it to go down a bit lol.

No 'boy racers' where I live own Mini's, they are all middle aged men who own them. £1,500 a year to insure makes me happy, obviously when I become 17 the price would have changed slightly.

Quote from danthebangerboy :

The 1275cc engine and box would be a nice edition, plus if it was me, i would ditch the horrible SU carbureter they come with as well. Weber is the way to go!

1.3 engine would be pointless as I'm most likely going to strip a lot of the interior out, so that will make it a little quicker as there wont be as much weight, even though the minis weigh bugger all lol. I am also thinking about putting a nice set of webbers on there. Guy down here (Nolan Pitts) is a mini tuning specialist, so I'll see if he can set them up for me

Something like this would do me. Clicky

Change the suspension to a sports or race suspension, better carbs and full exhaust system including Manifold. Where the exhaust system is concerned, I want it to be a Milltek, so it actually makes a bit of a difference lol.

What other mods like that can I do which are pretty discrete and not really see able. Can't get a remap obviously, as they have no ECUs lol.

Public transport is annoying, I had to put up with it until I got my bike which was in February. I once had to get the bus for a couple of days when my CDI blew, was bloody annoying.

Quote from theirishnoob :

besides why do you OP need a car ??

Why does anyone need a car? It's for transport duh. lol.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Thanks for the comment about my mondeo sam. Try not to get so easily offended about your mates VAN.

I don't get offended, just thought how could you say something bad about any modified car when you own a modified Mondeo lol.

Quote from Jakg :

forget the tax - the most you'll pay on a first car is £210 (i should know ), and £90 saving isn't that great compared to what the insurance will cost.

True I suppose.

Quote from Jakg :

You aren't going to be able to mod your car (my friends insurance company won't even let him debadge it) or have a nice car at 17.

My recomendation would either be an Astra or a a Volvo 460.

I'm seriously thinking about getting a astra. If I was to get the CDTI version, the tax will only be £120 for 12months, so I'll save money on tax.

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

1.4 fiesta zetec was £1400 with tesco value

With a few subtle mods, Fiesta's can look nice. The new 3 door Fiesta Sport in white is nice though.

Didn't think of a Fiesta.

Pearcy, what year fiesta though - 2001+

Really I am going to have to find a car that is about £1500 a year to insure and the car to cost about £1,250. Only thing is, I don't want anything like a Kia, Rover etc.

I best start hunting lol. Only thing is, the cars that keep springing to mind are hatchbacks like Corsa,Saxo,Clio,106.

Quote from Equinox :

I'm after a nice little 998cc mini for a first car (:eek and that quote about classic insurance until 21 has to be utter bollocks, surely ?

I read the thing about classic insurance somewhere, can't remember where lol.

I am wanting a Mini Cooper, £1,000 a year to insure . Keep the Mini for 2 years to 3 years sell it and buy something like 320/325 E30/E36 BMW.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

You have just listed the bog standard rice crispies so insurance will bust your balls. Pick something original. Go carb'd, go 1970's classic, it'll be a real head turner. More so if you buy a car that should have chrome bumpers and remove them, always makes them look more aggressive and sporty. If I had 10k I'd buy a Moggie Traveller and strip the bumpers, it'll be phat.

I don't think you can get classic insurance until you are 21, so no lol.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

What about an Original mini, I'd imagine they wouldn't be very expensive to insure and as long as you keep it rust free it'd be worth something when you went to trade it in..

You'd also learn more about car control in 3 months in a mini that you would in 2 years in another car. Fit some "phat" wheels and some strips and away you go!

I was thinking of an original mini, the thing that put me off getting one is motorway driving. I wouldn't mind getting one that needs a respray so it would be cheap. Get is resprayed, strip it out and put a multipoint roll cage in lol and also to add a few more tuning parts to the engine.

The cars I am going to be choosing from are:
106 Quicksilver
Golf
Astra 1.4 3 door
Astra 1.7 CDTI
Corsa C 1.3 CDTI
Corsa C 1.2
Saxo (Wouldn't mind a VTS or VTR - will most likely be through the roof to insure though)
Clio
Punto

What do I go for

Quote from samforey12345 :

Why does he need to remove it? Seems a bit silly

Because he snaped 3/4 of the teeth off of the clutch when riding it, so needs to put the new one on lol.

Need some help as my mate has text me saying he needs a tool to remove his clutch on his 140 pit bike (Lifan engine). Is there a way to remove the clutch without the clutch tool? Also, if possible would you be able to show me a site that shows you so I can send him the link cheers.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

But your RWD car is a Lada so it doesn't count.

Lol. Where as an E30 Beemer is just short of £3k TPFT lol.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Double posts kill 48 badgers a week..

I'm not losing any sleep over it lol.

I am very tempted with the 106 Quicksilver, even though it's French. They also like nice with some Euro styling.

I was thinking of putting both parents on my insurance to see how much it brings it down by.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Please dont says its to put huge subs in like that fool you were talking about did.

Says the one with a modified Mondeo. All Mondeos that have been attempted to be modified always look horrible.

Quote from Bawbag :

Who are you getting quotes from? When I went TPFT with elephant it actually went up, same with alot of other insurers.

Gocompare.com

A 1.4 Astra 3 Door is just short of £2,000 Got some decisions to make. Never know, could be a lot cheaper when I come to get a car - HOPEFULLY lol.

£2,055 a yr TPFT on a Golf lol. Think thats out of the picture. 1.4 106 Quicksilver is only £30 cheaper then the Golf, it's either these 2 or a 1.2 Corsa lol.

I would have a Golf or Corsa. Astra Van are easily tuneable if you can afford it, the 3 litre Omega engine will go on, obviously just have to change the gearbox, wiring loom. You would have to be in your 20s to afford the insurance though. Nothing wrong with filling the rear of the van with subs - Iceman has done it very successfully, but thats his job lol.

I know I can't have anything quick, just pretty nippy for a first car. I'm going to get it remapped anyway lol.

Bawbag, how much was your insurance on your golf at the age of 17, wouldn't have thought I will be able to get a Golf cheap lol. With it being VAG aswell, nice tuning potential later on but it's FWD lol.

Pitty you can't have RWD as a first car, but when being a young driver, it's a disaster waiting to happen as your immature and will try to get the back end out and rap it around a tree.

I will look into a 3 door Golf, wouldn't mind one lol. Although I would have thought at 17 they would be in the £2,000. I know I done a quote for an A3 1.6 before and that came just short of £3k.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

I doubt you would be able to get insurance cheaper than £1750 when you put modifications into account. To get that kinda price, you would wanna keep the car cheap and cheerful, and no modifications.

Try looking at prices for some of these.

Any older fiesta 1.1

Although you said you dont want these, i would still look at 1.1 or 1.0 corsa's, saxos, clios etc. etc.

Peugeot 306 1.4. I had one for a while and for a 1.4, it moved quite well. Handling was quite good, but they do tend to oversteer if you lift off abruptly. There cheap to run, and the insurance is cheap, but if you want the insurance even cheaper, go for a 1.9 Turbo diesel version. These really do shift, and the insurance is dirt cheap.

Might be a little over on your insurance, but maybe Ford Focus 1.4? These go up for sale really cheap, just insurance may be a killer.

Rover 214's are decent motors. They are known to have headgasket issues (as with most k-series) but if you look after it, it should be a nice reliable motor. They have nice interiors too.

Rover metro. There cheap and cheerful, but rust very bad. Tidy runners can be picked up for less than £500.

This might sound silly, but how about a Alfa Romeo 145 cloverleaf. I know they have quite big engines for a young driver, but one of my mates had one and the insurance was pretty cheap. Obviously, it may be different for your area, but it may be worth a shot.

another idea, goto www.pistonheads.com and into the classified, and put in your maximum budget and it will come up with a bunch of cars. That might give you some ideas.

Rovers, okay next joke lol.

I have been looking on Pistonheads for ages. Don't really want a shopping trolley, rover or any other granny car lol.

A 2001 Astra Van 1.7 DTI is £1,800 a year to insure, would get one of them but want to get other ideas first.

Quote from danthebangerboy :

If it was me, i would go for something like a peugeot 205. Fair enough, they are quite old these days but look fairly good in a retro kind of way with a few subtle mods and go fairly well depending what engine size you go for.

If you can afford a 1.6 gti then there isnt any modding needed really, as they look the nuts just as they are IMO.

A shopping trolley looks nice if done in the style of Euro. I want something that is different to the usual first car, can't be a granny car either lol (Kia, Micra, Daewoo)

Yes, another one of these threads lol. Even though it is February until I am 17 I am already planning on my first car as I need to know the amount of money I need to save up.

What cars would you guys recommend? I don't really want a Corsa/Saxo/Punto/Clio. I was thinking about getting a Astra Van 1.7 CDTI (£120 for 12 months tax )
What I want is a car that is pretty nippy for a first car, no more than £1,750 a year to insure TPFT, easy to modify (engine, suspension, exterior, interior) and also pretty new and not a shopping cart lol. Yes, I no longer what something like a Corsa lol.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

When we meet up for a ride sometime mate I'll take yaz on the back of Bambi. (my sv )

Bambi, of all names lol. You best get your arse down here over the summer holidays then lol.